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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:30 am Post subject:
More informations on Red Alert 3.
Subject description: PC Guru encrypted message decoded by agent Hagren.
Hagren has translated and scanned the PC Guru magazine. He sent his work for some sites like RADEN and CnC Files.
We recommend you to look at CnC Files, since it also includes the whole report scanned.
Here's some interesting bits:
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Story
After the Allied drove the Soviets back to Moscow, and their defeat is nigh, they decide to send back several hitmen in time to kill Einstein, the single person they see responsible for the Allied superiority. Although the act is successful, and Europe seems is in peace (With the second war never happening) in this altered timeline, a third party comes into play with the Empire of the rising sun (Japan), which gives birth to plans of world domination they, given their technological advancements, are set to realize and achieve, throwing you into this ménage á trois.
Think about this: What stopped Japan on world war II? The two atom bombs, right? Who researched the atom bomb? Einstein. If there is no Eistein, Japan would never be nuked and, according to EALA's logic, they would rise as a world superpower. They only forgot that what made Japan become a developped country was the a help from USAafter the second world war. But who cares about history? This is Red Alert universe, screw history!
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Campaign
- Can be played co-operatively either with a friend via Multiplayer, or with the aid of an AI ally. The main goal of the AI players is to capture and defend the most significant points of a given map, and you can use their structures for producing units. You cannot control the units of your team-mate however, for the developers deemed it was very chaotic after a test run.
Needless to say that you see the map-revealing progress of your ally. Both points count for AI-driven or human Co-op.
- For each side (Allied, Soviets, Empire of the Rising Sun) there are three commanders to choose from before every mission, each with at least three special abilities. The one they showed the magazine was an allied commander from whom you could ask for an air strike in pre-set periods of time. This commander is played by Peter Weller (aka RoboCop)
So, there aren't subfactions. There are different commanders. And don't ask me who is this Robocop guy.
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Maps
- Since the maps have to provide enough room for at least three participants, they’re naturally much bigger than they were in Tiberium Wars.
Something interesting that naturally slower down the pace. I still need to pray for them to reduce the ammount of symmetrical maps. TW was infested with them and KW doesn't seem to be different.
The article also lists some units, talks more about gameplay, etc... It is a must read thing. It is really very interesting. QUICK_EDIT
*arge* the 8 player maps on TW are all symetrical! Hopefully you don't have to protect the allied commanders since I suck at helping allies with defences(ask anyone whos played on my team"I need help!" "Maybe later I will") _________________ Comcast: Yo dawg we herd yo were downloading, so we put fail in yo modem so yo cant download while yo failin! QUICK_EDIT
I happen to be a big Robocop fan and I actually just watched it again a few weeks ago. Peter Weller in RA3 is something of a perfect match for me. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
We all know how any Vanilla Brutal AI on RA2 and YR sux terribly against a Brutal triple-Kirov attack, lose radar, barracks, conyard, bleh. Perhaps RA3 will be much more tougher, no? _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject:
Re: More informations on Red Alert 3.
Banshee wrote:
Think about this: What stopped Japan on world war II? The two atom bombs, right?
Actually, by the point the atom bombs were used, Japan had already lost. The atom bombs just made apparent how completely hopeless their situation was
Banshee wrote:
They only forgot that what made Japan become a developped country was the a help from USAafter the second world war. But who cares about history? This is Red Alert universe, screw history!
Actually, by the time of World War II, Japan was in control of decent sized empire, including holdings in China and Korea; they had fought a war with Russia forty years earlier and won.
Therefore, it is not completely inconceivable that Japan, had it not attacked Pearl Harbor, would have continued to be a major imperial power well into the 1960s (around which imperialism began to fade; although, if the nuke were never invented, imperialism might never have faded). QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Location: National Reference Laboratory for IPNV
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject:
Hmm, no Einstein means no Chronosphere, and no Weather Control Device (I'm not sure about the latter). Also, by that storyline, I would suppose that nukes weren't invented at all, so I wonder what kind of superweapons will soviets and allies have QUICK_EDIT
Allies would still have the bunker buster, MOAB, airstrikes, cruise missile. Russia would most likely have the V2, their huge bomb, and those are the only destructive weapons I can think of that are conventional. _________________ Comcast: Yo dawg we herd yo were downloading, so we put fail in yo modem so yo cant download while yo failin! QUICK_EDIT
Co-operative AI in the campaign. I sence a World in Conflict influence here!
In RA2 you could play a campaign co-op with a mate, I guess you havent played any C&C games before Generals or TW .
Interesting read here, sounds alright, cant wait to see how RA3 turns out
Also Japan would have developed in RA universe, if not better then in RL, reason - they would have been apart of the allies in RA1, thus they had access to the technology the allies had, giving them a good start. QUICK_EDIT
*Cough*V4*Cough*Wut's the V1? Hmm, without Einstein, it'd not be RA anymore...No Mirage and Prism tech! >.< *Ahem* As we all know the Chrono-tech is a symbolic...thingy for the Allies. Losing it would be totally...well. Wild? I think the Allies will begin using the nukes back, even though all the US's Nukes were blown in RA2...(1st Mission, behind Lt. Eva you see many toy missiles exploding and turning into crosses throughout the country) And...well. I sense a grandfather paradox at work here~ How DID the Sovs get their hands on Einstein's TM? Stole it from San Francisco, AGAIN? ROFL! _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. Last edited by Destiny on Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:46 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
*Cough*V4*Cough*Wut's the V1? Hmm, without Einstein, it'd not be RA anymore...No Mirage and Prism tech! >.< *Ahem* As we all know the Chrono-tech is a symbolic...thingy for the Allies. Losing it would be totally...well. Wild? I think the Allies will begin using the nukes back, even though all the US's Nukes were blown in RA2...(1st Mission, behind Lt. Eva you see many toy missiles exploding and turning into crosses throughout the country) And...well. I sense a grandfather paradox at work here~ How DID the Sovs get their hands on Einstein's TM? Stole it from San Fransico, AGAIN? ROFL!
The US nukes never got blown up depending on exactly when the Soviets altered the timeline.
But how can there still be Mirage Tanks if Einstein got whacked? He implemented that midway through the war.
Also I'm really tired of people saying you can play "A" co-op campaign in RA2. Yes there were a few co-op maps but you couldn't play the story campaign in co-op. _________________ WOL nick: migtybob
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:28 am Post subject:
Rico wrote:
Gun Ship wrote:
Co-operative AI in the campaign. I sence a World in Conflict influence here!
In RA2 you could play a campaign co-op with a mate, I guess you havent played any C&C games before Generals or TW .
Interesting read here, sounds alright, cant wait to see how RA3 turns out
Also Japan would have developed in RA universe, if not better then in RL, reason - they would have been apart of the allies in RA1, thus they had access to the technology the allies had, giving them a good start.
Mate I have the entire series and I have never seen that feature in RA2. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
While Einstein helped the nuclear project along, he wasn't solely responsible for its creation. I could imagine most of this technology, like mirage tanks and nukes, eventually being created by another collective of people. QUICK_EDIT
Nono for Nikola Tesla! Mirage and Prism for Einstein only But it's strange though...if the lab was blown...ah forget it. We'll see what comes up next. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
How the hell did the Soviets go back in time? They don't have time travel technologies, unless this is based around a "what if" Yuri's Revenge gone wrong. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I just hope they at least have A Path Beyond III (the map not the mod)
i loved Anytown Amerika also... _________________ With sadness in my heart and joy in my mind QUICK_EDIT
In the RA series Einstein was the one solely responsible for time travel technology right?
So yea... if they went back in time using Einstein's technology and killed him.. that means the time traveling equipment wouldn't have been made... so they couldn't have ever gone back in time to kill him... but if they didn't it would have been made and they would sent the hitmen back in time again and...
I guess EA will have some explanation for it
Or maybe I'm missing something and y'all do
I like RA, but I hate the time travel aspect of it _________________ Im Westen Nichts Neues QUICK_EDIT
But! The Time Machine was built by Einstein...the Soviet ending isn't canon right? If they killed Einstein then they wouldn't be able to go back in time, and in that sense they couldn't kill Einstein at all! It's a temporal/time loop, lol. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
you have a small discrepancy in your facts banshee Einstein never worked on the A bomb how ever it was his equation e=mc^2 that was the basis for it. but they might have assassinated him after he came up with the equation QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:29 am Post subject:
It started as a RA1 map, and it was re-created for RA2... I didn't see any similar map in TS, TW or Generals (except for some fan-made versions)... QUICK_EDIT
Well, I'm sure EA does a better job on Red Alert 3 than Tiberium Wars Atleast in my eyes. Red Alert hasn't been too important story-wise for me. They're just fun games. QUICK_EDIT
In the RA series Einstein was the one solely responsible for time travel technology right?
So yea... if they went back in time using Einstein's technology and killed him.. that means the time traveling equipment wouldn't have been made... so they couldn't have ever gone back in time to kill him... but if they didn't it would have been made and they would sent the hitmen back in time again and...
I guess EA will have some explanation for it
Or maybe I'm missing something and y'all do
I like RA, but I hate the time travel aspect of it
You seem to be confused about parallel universes. In Universe 1 RA2 continues normally, allies win and all is right with the world. Until the soviets go back in time and kill einstien. Universe 1 continues as normal because in that universe einstien wasnt killed. A second, parallel universe then begins from that point (Universe 2) wherein Einstien was killed.
Its not one single universe becoming trapped in a paradox, its a multitude of other universes branching off from the original at the points history was changed. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:36 am Post subject:
You're saying something like this:
Normal universe (where we are living in)
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Red Alert universe (red alert 1 and 2, Einstein chrono-kills Hitler)
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Red Alert 3 universe (Soviet chrono-kill Einstein) QUICK_EDIT
The Tib series is actually a storyline, whereas - since the two series were unlinked - RA is the series for (hopefully) awesome games where the story is very secondary.
Once you bring time travel in you've an excuse to do whatever you want really. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
They only forgot that what made Japan become a developped country was the a help from USA after the second world war. But who cares about history? This is Red Alert universe, screw history!
Tisk, tisk, tisk! Banshee, the Japanese got tons of help from the US after the war. But they also made great enginerical leaps. All those tanks, planes, submarines etc. were Japanese more or less and it's pretty much possible they would have gone even further with a succesfull campaign.
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