I have a question about hva's

SMT · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: I have a question about hva's

I made a voxel I like for a mod I am making, and when I made a HVA for it, it doesn't line up right.

I Used the HVA postion and moved the turret and barrel where they fit, and ingame they do not line up.

Why is this?

Paranoia · Cyborg Specialist **Joined**: 04 Aug 2007

1. open voxel with hva builder
2. align turret and body
3. save hva file

Thats all you need to do. If you follow these instructions it should work.

Dupl3xxx · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject:

NOTE: use voxel bounds or whats it called to algin, never use hva posission.

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SMT · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:38 am Post subject:

So only use voxel offset? Ok, Ill try that. Thanks Dupl3xxx!

SMT · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:52 am Post subject:

I did that but I still am recieving a wierd error. could it be the art.ini?

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IcySon55 · Commander **Joined**: 19 Nov 2003 **Location**: Overworld

Dupl3xxx wrote:

NOTE: use voxel bounds or whats it called to algin, never use hva posission.

Incorrect!

Proper steps:

1. Open each voxel in VXLSE3
2. For each one, go into the header properties dialog, then to the Misc tab.
3. Select Land and hit Calculate.
4. Save your voxel.
5. Delete any existing HVAs you might have.
6. Open up the voxel set in HVA builder.
7. Use HVA position to align the parts.
8. Done!

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IVI · Commander **Joined**: 25 Jun 2006 **Location**: Feilubin

also, I've discovered that sometimes barrels disattach from the turret (or point of pivot) while firing when its pbarrellength and primaryFLH are coded inadequately in art.ini. This might sound ridiculous to other modders, but I've fixed numerous 'detaching' barrels by editing the pbarrellength and primary FLH.

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Blade · Cyborg Commando **Joined**: 23 Dec 2003

Doesn't HVA builder actually adjust the voxel bounds anyway when it sets turret positions? It was discussed long ago that this is how it should be handled. Turrets and barrels should work without any customisation actually being saved to the hva file once saved like this.

SMT · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject:

I fixed the barrel. But the turret is still whack, so Ill see if what you guys said worked.

IcySon55 · Commander **Joined**: 19 Nov 2003 **Location**: Overworld

Blade wrote:

Doesn't HVA builder actually adjust the voxel bounds anyway when it sets turret positions? It was discussed long ago that this is how it should be handled. Turrets and barrels should work without any customisation actually being saved to the hva file once saved like this.

I've gone through the steps I wrote many times and they work flawlessly. HVA Builder doesn't do any bound fixing at all. Why else would SMTs voxels be all out of whack? They'd work if what you said was true.

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Blade · Cyborg Commando **Joined**: 23 Dec 2003

He hasn't set the bounds correctly, they all look like they are all 0 centered and are offset using the turret and barrel offsets from artmd.ini with no bounds adjustment to me.It will probably look strange when it exits the war factory too.
I haven't used HVA editor before (never needed to since i always set bounds manually for turrets and such), but when turret and barrel positioning tools were discussed ages ago, me and Cannis both advised that the hva was not the correct way to set the offsets for turret and barrel position and I believe it was agreed at the time that for turret and barrel position HVA editor would actually set the bounds information. I'll download the latest version and have a look at how it behaves however since this dates back to the first release with support for turrets and barrels probably a few years ago.

Edit: I've looked at the latest HVA editor and it does have a tool for setting the bounds information (Bounds Manager). The offset here (mainly the Z and Y dimensions) should be adjusted for proper voxel alignment. The base of a body voxel should be level with XY plane by Z axis adjustment and turret and barrel should be adjusted using Z for height and I believe Y in the case of the barrel for alignment to the front of the barrel. I would advise keeing the turret central and then using turret offset to control how far back or forward it is on the body in art.ini.

SMT · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

That fixed it.