Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:45 am Post subject:
New DRM methods for future EA games and our word on it.
Subject description: If you buy Spore and Mass Effect, you'll need to validate your game every 10 days!
Hey everyone! The site has been a bit empty recently, but the forums are full of things going on, as usual. I've recently been a bit lazy to post news and it is also being hard to catch some interesting news.
I've recently browsed Planet CnC and there was an interesting news, which I'm actually finding everywhere, including on our own forums, about the new digital restrictions management (DRM... and I know the R is for rights, but I don't see any rights for users on DRMs) system that should be used on Spore, Mass Effect and other future games published by Electronic Arts.
According to many sources, the game will have to contact EA servers every 10 days to validate it. If the game isn't validated, you can't play the whole game, including single player modes. If your serial number matches the ones used by warez downloads or a key generated by keygens and is used online, your copy is banned. Also, as Hexetic mentioned, the horrible factor on it is that EA may actually deactivate the servers that validate it after some years and your well paid cash will turn into waste, since you won't be able to play the game anymore.
I wouldn't be surprised if those who buy it legitimately appeals to 'illegal' solutions in order to keep playing the games they paid for.
If Red Alert 3 and Tiberium uses this DRM system or anything derived from it, we'll cut any kind of support or mention for them here. We won't tolerate games that completely disrespects our pockets like Sole Survivor, Nox and Earth & Beyond did once to their fans. QUICK_EDIT
I was considering getting Spore, no way I'm touching it with this on it.
I think everyone needs to make sure this is posted at every gaming forum they go to, and submit it to every gaming news site possible. It's the sort of thing that will be a tiny little bit of text with a vague message on the back of the box - people need to know so they can not buy it. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
well did those games require that the multiplayer servers that were used were only owned by the game company? are they doing the same thing here? couldn't they use company servers just to do the authetication and then unofficial servers rented or owned by enthusiasts could be used for playing. servers for authentication don't require as much resources as servers for playing on so they wouldn't have a reason to discontinue them. they could probably use the same authentication server for all games.
so i don't think we have to worry that there is a chance that certain games will have support dropped for them unless the company goes bankrupt in which case it will be all games that will become useless. but the company going bankrupt is unlikely.
They can still choose the discontinue them.
In ten years time it won't be financially viable to keep running auth servers because most people won't be playing the game anymore, no cost is cheaper than even a minimal cost.
It's funny that they're bringing in these ever-strengthening things in under the banner of protecting PC gaming when all they're doing is driving more people away.
To be honest I think it might even be intentional, it'd be a million times easier for devs if people only used consoles for gaming. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
but wouldn't the same authentication server be used for all their games? so wouldn't they keep that server as long as they kept releasing games that required the authentication? QUICK_EDIT
There goes my spore purchase, cracked copy without the pseudo-mmo features will have to do.
ViPr wrote:
but wouldn't the same authentication server be used for all their games? so wouldn't they keep that server as long as they kept releasing games that required the authentication?
It's EA, if they saw disabling old games that were played little would cut costs at all they would probably do it.
It's really rather ridiculous that spore needs this the amount of casuals who'll pick it up with potentially no or utter crap internet when it has 'FROM THE CREATOR OF THE SIMS!' on the box will be staggering. QUICK_EDIT
In Steam you need to validate your game only once, then your account will remember it forever. You can play them offline as often as you like and you don't even need to revalidate after reinstalling, since the info is already in your account. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
This is just too ztyping stupid. No matter how "cool" and "epic" RA3 and Tiberium may be(come), I will definately not purchase them if EA decides to go this way. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
To be honest I think it might even be intentional, it'd be a million times easier for devs if people only used consoles for gaming.
Then they could just boycott the PC altogether. They will just be losing money if they develope games like these just to drive people away from the PC. This is all just the fact that EA loses maybe a few thousand dollars a year compaired to the MILLIONS they make off of legal copies. As stated before, there will always be piracy and antipiracy just leads to more piracy. _________________ Comcast: Yo dawg we herd yo were downloading, so we put fail in yo modem so yo cant download while yo failin! QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject:
ViPr wrote:
what happened with Sole Survivor, Nox, and Earth & Beyond ?
Apex wrote:
Then they could just boycott the PC altogether. They will just be losing money if they develope games like these just to drive people away from the PC. This is all just the fact that EA loses maybe a few thousand dollars a year compaired to the MILLIONS they make off of legal copies. As stated before, there will always be piracy and antipiracy just leads to more piracy.
Personally think EA is going to shoot them selves in the foot with this one. All it will take is a few games, that use this DRM system, to screw up and a whole heap of people are going to say "well I'm never buy another EA game again".
To be honest there is no point in even developing or implementing the DRM cause it not going to stop piracy, CD keys and disk copy protection were created in order to stop piracy but they didn't. There is no doubt that, the DRM system, will be cracked within a couple of months of the games release.
I don't think there is any reason to panicking about it so I'm still going to buy RA3 besides, I doubt that I will still be be playing RA3 in ten years 10 anyway. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:
I will get RA3 anyways, and if it doesn't work, then I'll make it work, legal or illegal. They won't stop me from playing my game which I've bought with my own goddamn money because some jackasses don't want to pay for it... If you want to do it good, do it the Steam way QUICK_EDIT
Still boycotting any new EA purchases folks, just stick to the old C&C games and ignore Spore. They'll get the message soon enough when their game hopefully crashes and burns because of this.
I'll buy EA games products when they at least include community patches/balances for their old games, and remove this DRM crap. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
EA seriously doesn't think of the community alot, except for their own forum ones eh? Since most, if not all, of the people of EA's Forums have reliable internet access PLUS they have rigs...heh. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Location: Algae Colony On Mars
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:
While such DRM schemes should never be used, it's perfectly fine to use it for Spore which is meant to have constant online access for all the user-generated content. However, Mass Effect is a single-player game and shouldn't need any internet connection. I've wanted to play Mass Effect since it was announced and I'm not going to stand down from buying it, I'll merely get a crack to stop online activation. I'm sure if enough people complain though they'll back down. _________________
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Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject:
Just a small Q: aren't we overreacting a bit? AFAIK, Spore and Mass Effect are online games (or need it seriously). Why should it mean it's also for RA3/Tiberium? They aren't online-only games Also, let's just wait untill EA releases the games. Then we will see if they have this DRM... QUICK_EDIT
When the hexing begins the Anti-DRM Sentience will arise...and finally a war _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
If they use this system they'll loose a lot of customers, many people have gaming PCs that aren't connected to the internet (yep, me). And therefore actually can't activate games like this... _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Location: somewhere south of the north pole
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject:
The more codes they make to make it "uncrackable" the faster the game gets cracked. Like XP and Vista. XP got a useable crack after 3 month. Vista after 2 weeks. _________________ This is a signature QUICK_EDIT
By looking at what it doesn't accept, you can see what it will accept. Therefore more antipiracy stuff theoretically makes the game easier to crack. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
WARNING, RANT: Wait, unless a game is ONLINE GAMEPLAY ONLY, it should not need an internet connection for activation/gameplay. This includes Spore, RA3, and Tiberium. All will have single player functionality(I think spore has singleplayer?). EA needs to have a lead pipe up aside its head to knock its overprotective dipshitness out of their sorry of an excuse of a tumerous blood clot they call a brain. its as simple as that. And dont say Steam is much better because HL2 needs online and has ABSOLUTELY NO ONLINE CAPABILITIES unless you buy, thats right buy, one of their features or a 3rd party mod over Steam.rant over
Evil Assholes need to get their act straight before they kill PC gaming. This will lead down a VERY bad road if they permantly use this because other companies tend to follow the bigger ones.
EDIT: noone "Tents the bigger ones" _________________ Comcast: Yo dawg we herd yo were downloading, so we put fail in yo modem so yo cant download while yo failin! Last edited by Apex on Thu May 08, 2008 7:14 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
DRM=no; no piracy at all? (Not possible. I know the most dangerous place is the most safest place saying, but humans are all like that.) _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject:
Funny thing here.
We're bitching because EA is implimenting a method to prevent theft of assets, and to pretect the creative work of their artists/devos, yet we flip out on anybody who uses a voxel from a mod.
I don't agree with EA's method at all, however, this is the fault of all the faggots who torrent new releases immediately. 'OMG C0D4 ON ****** *** DOWNLOAD!!!1'
Assholes who do that, are the real cancer that's killing gaming. Not the developers who want to protect their ideas/models/ect. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
We're bitching because EA is implimenting a method to prevent theft of assets, and to pretect the creative work of their artists/devos, yet we flip out on anybody who uses a voxel from a mod.
I don't agree with EA's method at all, however, this is the fault of all the faggots who torrent new releases immediately. 'OMG C0D4 ON ****** *** DOWNLOAD!!!1'
Assholes who do that, are the real cancer that's killing gaming. Not the developers who want to protect their ideas/models/ect.
Have you even read about this before spewing that out? It's not DRM protecting assets; it's stopping all access to the game unless you constantly connect to EA to reiterate that you have in fact bought their shit. There's a large difference between wanting to protect assets you make and disabling all access to something you have paid for.
Oh and the faggots who torrent immediately? This increases their numbers. Most consumers dislike invasive DRM and this is easily as bad as starforce in shafting consumers. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject:
Yes, I ztyping read it. Its EA's reaction to the kind of shit I mentioned above.
And of course it will increase their numbers. And thus this kind of shit will get worse...
The way to stop things from getting increasingly worse is to ztyping stop torrenting shit that just ztyping came out. And boycotting EA as well. Thats not a bad idea at all.
But, to be honest, it IS because of sites like ****** ***, ect, that shit like this IS happening. _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Yes, I ztyping read it. Its EA's reaction to the kind of shit I mentioned above.
And of course it will increase their numbers. And thus this kind of shit will get worse...
The way to stop things from getting increasingly worse is to ztyping stop torrenting shit that just ztyping came out. And boycotting EA as well. Thats not a bad idea at all.
But, to be honest, it IS because of sites like ****** ***, ect, that shit like this IS happening.
It's a cat and mouse game, over-zealous protection just further justifies piracy in the eyes of those who do it. They're digging their own grave and ensuring that those likely to pirate will pirate even the odd game they would buy (spore in my case). QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject:
Well, if you want to be frank, most new games blow nowadays anyways.
Back to ztyping Goldeneye.
And for the record, I do use torrents. Music torrents in particular(Because the shelves are stacked with the newest Soulja Boy Tellem or Britney Spears soundtrack...), and old, out of production games/movies (Go find me a copy of Trespasser, or Warpath: Jurassic Park. Please. I ask you to. Or, better yet. The Lost World. Yes, the Ray Harryhausen original.) _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: DAS BOOT IM DER OSTSEE
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:
Who else wants the 90s back...? Hm? Buy a game, install it, and give the CD to a friend to do battle against oneanother on LAN..Or the other faction's disc.
"Dude, borrow my Nod disc so I can kick your ass...!" _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Location: Modding other games.
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject:
Wow! It looks like EA wants more cracked software out there! *sarcasm*
Looks like I gotta make use of my trusty *cough*disassembler*cough* more often.
EA will lose more money trying to put more effort into software security than trying to make game sales. If they're really gonna pull this off. _________________
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Everybody knows a mod that doesn't update every ten seconds is dead.
1) Too clueless to setup a router.
2) Not enough money to buy one.
3) Unable to convince parents to buy one.
The list goes on...
gufu wrote:
Ztyping dial up?
You can still share a dial-up internet connection using a crossover cable or a router configuration. One machine connects to the internet and shares its connection to the other(s). QUICK_EDIT
wtf are some of you doing without internet connnections
Not all of us are able to have a stable, reliable and trusty connection to the world wide web. Icy stated 3 reasons.
I have one more to add:
4) In some remote places there IS no possibility of internet connection. What, you're in a forest in a log house with a gaming rig, stable wireless while the streams flow outside peacefully and birds are singing? LOL. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
5) You don't spend 100% of your time chained to your internet-capable desktop. Laptops + mobility != 100% internet coverage. Ever gone on a vacation with a laptop? (Nerdiness jokes aside.)
6) Your ISP cannot guarantee 100% uptime even for the aforementioned desktop. If my internet connection goes down due to ISP's ass-clumsy technicians or simply accidents, I don't lose the ability to play Solitaire. Why should I lose the ability to play some other singleplayer game?
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i don't want PC gaming to continue dying.
So you'll bend over and take whatever they think of just so they don't kill it off?
[quote="]I doubt that I will still be be playing RA3 in ten years 10 anyway.[/quote]So you don't play Super Mario anymore? Or any other NES titles? Clarkson got this one right, most of the games today suck, but that doesn't mean all games ever made do. What if you extend this to the movies/TV shows on DVD? I just finished downloading the Wacky Races series last week. It was first aired in 1969. I still enjoy it. What if you extend this to music you purchased? It's already happened, http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/22/2130225 , and it will happen again. (WOL closing down was no different, good thing we have XWIS, isn't it.)
Then again, Blizzard is already pushing to label "using our game in the way it was not intended to" as copyright infringement. This is just more of the same, corporations seeing how far they can push people in the name of profits before they'll crack.
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:42 am Post subject:
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So you don't play Super Mario anymore? Or any other NES titles? Clarkson got this one right, most of the games today suck, but that doesn't mean all games ever made do. What if you extend this to the movies/TV shows on DVD? I just finished downloading the Wacky Races series last week. It was first aired in 1969. I still enjoy it. What if you extend this to music you purchased? It's already happened, http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/22/2130225 , and it will happen again. (WOL closing down was no different, good thing we have XWIS, isn't it.)
Then again, Blizzard is already pushing to label "using our game in the way it was not intended to" as copyright infringement. This is just more of the same, corporations seeing how far they can push people in the name of profits before they'll crack.
Well firstly I don't own a NES I have a Sega Mega Drive . Secondly I do play some old games but, I have stacks of old Apple 2E, console and DOS games I just don't play anymore.
Thirdly I agree with every one who has said that the DRM system is unfair to people who either don't or have a bad Internet connection for I have been in a similar situation involving Steam. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:31 am Post subject:
EA is cutting branch under them. I think this isn't real barrier for pirates. It can be cracked.
BTW,EA games are expensive. Hungarian RTS (pretty good) The War On Terror cost (when it was new) around 12 Euros, new game from EA costs around 60 Euros (f. example average Czech wage is +-930 Euros, German or American (USA) is +-2500 Euros). _________________
Don't blame the others if you haven't checked your own (in)ability in the first case. QUICK_EDIT
The developer said the decision came after listening "very closely" to its fans and that the new system will also allow gamers to play the game without the DVD in the drive.
Aouch. F*** Yeah! What a way to kill SecuROM's 10-day authentication method. Not only did they make it one-time, they made the game not require the DVD, how can it get any better than this.
Hopefully EA gives in, too.
EDIT: http://kotaku.com/5008454/spore-to-use-online-authentication
"Despite some hand-wringing by fans, EA today announced that their hugely anticipated Will Wright game Spore will not make use of SecuROM's 10-day periodic re-authetication and instead use a modified version to require online authentication.
The announcement comes on the heels of news that Mass Effect will also be ditching the ten day re-authentication."
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New DRM methods for future EA games and our word on it.
Also, let's just wait untill EA releases the games. Then we will see if they have this DRM...
