BETA TS:The Nod Scavenger

SMIFFGIG · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:11 pm Post subject: BETA TS:The Nod Scavenger

Originally debris from units was going
to stay on the ground afterwards rather than just
dissapearing or exploding

but the debris was going to have great! strategical usage
for nod
With the scavenger vehicle (which was only going to be a
crate goodie itself due it its emmense possibilites)(i
think that was a later desision as they found it
unbalancing just before finally deciding to scrap it)
the scavenger had the ability to pick up these debris
pieces and put them together, but the twist was
say it got 1 Titan debris (then known as medium mech) and 1
stealth tank debris (only needed 2 pieces) it would be able
to make a stealth titan unit
this would all be done by a special sidebar menu that
appeared of the normal one that appeared only when u
clicked on the scavenger unit.

taken from an MSN chat, couldnt be bothered to re-type it

EDIT:04/03/06 - Removed some incorrect data about a scavanger Hi-Res pic, as discovered over a year ago, is actually the back of the Devils Tongue (when it had a chute at the back which was removed for the ingame version)
The Devils tongue render can be found at [url=http://www.cybergooch.com/pages/tibsunarchive/flametank.htm]here]
and the only known conceptual image of the scavenger can be found [url=http://www.fansiteads.com/tiberiumsun/downloads/images/newconceptart/scavenger.jpg]here]

Also the Description above is quite sketchy, ill update it sometime when i can be bothered
One thing ill add to it now, is that through the Scavengers many conceptual brainstorming's it was at various stages going to be a "Vehicle" unit and a "Infantry" unit, which is quite interesting
Seems WW just couldnt make up there mind on this unit (so scrapped it Neutral

)

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The DvD · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:19 pm Post subject:

Could you please add the scanned cameos? i can't really imagine this unit unless it looks like the repair vehicle. (i've got a cameo for that, but i don't know from what image it was made)

Guest · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:47 pm Post subject:

What that looks very interessant this units

yeah can we see the different box of tsun

french(will search it) - UK - american ? and other...

Tratos · General **Joined**: 01 Jan 2003

If you could make a new type of tiberium, with a different image and one that doesn't grow etc... you could make the scavenger 'harvest' debris for extra money.

The DvD · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject:

Yeah saw that idea before, think it was on editingsource fora?

Guest · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 8:00 pm Post subject:

Tratos wrote:

If you could make a new type of tiberium, with a different image and one that doesn't grow etc... you could make the scavenger 'harvest' debris for extra money.

hey good idea Smile

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The DvD · Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 9:03 pm Post subject:

MaXiM wrote:

Tratos wrote:

If you could make a new type of tiberium, with a different image and one that doesn't grow etc... you could make the scavenger 'harvest' debris for extra money.

hey good idea Smile

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awrethien · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:48 am Post subject:

Tratos wrote:

If you could make a new type of tiberium, with a different image and one that doesn't grow etc... you could make the scavenger 'harvest' debris for extra money.

I beleave the problem with that is that any harvester could then pick it up...

SMIFFGIG · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:10 am Post subject:

now I have just had an Idea

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Tratos · General **Joined**: 01 Jan 2003

Does it have anything at all to do with my idea, or even TS, or is completly unrelated?

The DvD · Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 5:52 pm Post subject:

Now here's a crazy idea:

1)Replace the tiberium vein graphics with metal debris graphics
2)Make debris spawn this edited vein overlay (dunno if this is possible)
3)Name the weed eater 'Debris harverster'" or whatever
4) Make it dock and unload at the CABAL CORE
5) Give the CABAL CORE the chemicalspecial
6) Edit chemicalspecial to a hunterseeker, rename to "Building Core Defender"
7) Add NodHunterSeeker (NHunter) = DEFENDER (core defender)

Now, if the CORE is filled with veins (metal debris), it wil start building a Defender. When it's ready, click on "Release" in the sidebar, and the Defender will be spawned next to the CORE.

kopaka649 · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 2:56 am Post subject:

that would be good but how would you make debris like veins?
(i mean debris from when you destroy a vehicle)

SMIFFGIG · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:01 am Post subject:

i got a better idea Wink

however it does have some obviousl flaws but ill work at it when i get time

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Dethro · Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:42 pm Post subject:

That idea(harvesting debris for cash) is actually in a game called Outlive. It works quite well, I might add. Very Happy

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SMIFFGIG · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:35 pm Post subject:

Removed (was what i thought to be a possible scavenger render) was tiny, tottaly pixelated and just generally crappy... oh and it was the rear end of the Devils Tongue Razz

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Guest · Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:39 pm Post subject:

ya, i have never seen this picture ya ...

Venom · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:17 am Post subject:

too bad there isn't a bigger better pic of it, its kinda blury

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PilotstroupF15E · Vehicle Drone **Joined**: 21 Sep 2003

Why does that look vaguely familiar?

And I'm glad nobody said maybe the vein wasn't original destined for TSun...there's a cutscene after (I think) mission 11 of the GDI campaign in C&C 95 where a Blackhawk helo flies over a canyon filled with tiberium vein, venifera, and even visceriods, which shocked the hell out of me after playing Tiberian Sun. Makes you wonder, huh? It was just weird.

Muldrake · Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject:

Is there anyway to put the actual debris programming back into the game? Rather than use viens / different tiberium?

FinalMoon · Cyborg Cannon **Joined**: 21 Apr 2003

Sure there is! Just give us that source code you've been hiding for 4 long years.

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Sk8erkid · INSANE **Joined**: 16 Aug 2002

lol... some day were gonna get the source code and it not going to help at all #Tongue

porbably not but wouldnt THAT be ironic! lmao

Muldrake · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:21 am Post subject:

Do you think if we ask, they'll give it to us? Laughing

Dragon Stein Cole · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:07 pm Post subject:

you wouldnt even get a response... not because WW dont want people making games off their stuff, but because they dont seem to give a toss anymore.

TerroR · General **Joined**: 25 Aug 2002 **Location**: UK

SMIFFGIG wrote:

nice little treat for you

I could probably safely say this is the only exsisting picture of the Nod Scavenger unit on the entire World Wide Web

there was ones a large hi-res version, but i cannot find it anywhere

I'v seen that before but i thought it was the flame tank.

FinalMoon · Cyborg Cannon **Joined**: 21 Apr 2003

Actually SMIFFGIG asked Westwood if there was any way he could get his hands on the beta version of TS, they said it had probably been deleted. I'm betting it's the same for the source code...

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SMIFFGIG · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:37 pm Post subject:

there is more chance they still have the source code hidden away some where

but far less chance they will release it

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The lead programmer probably has it stashed away on a burn-cd somewhere...

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Muldrake · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I thought so.
Surely after TS being out for so long, they wouldn't mind if it was out?

Venom · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:09 pm Post subject:

if you want it, why not just ask 'em for it? it wouldn't hurt to ask would it?

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Muldrake · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject:

Sure, as long as none of you mind me asking. They wouldn't try to shut down the mod or anything?
You think if I say its for a Mod to bring TS back to the beta version, they'd be more or less willing to give it up?

iceman559 · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:20 pm Post subject:

prob neither, they prob wont care, if they are rude about it, then they might loose some customers of buying TS (not really, but just hear me out) at least they will probably think. they will probably just make u copyright ur mod to u AND them so they can do wut they want with it since it will have their source code in it

EDIT: and trust me, they wouldnt try to shut the mod down. they know there are tons of mods out there, and just ebcause this is trying to bring beta back, they cant shut this one down and leave all the rest. theyd have to shut all the mods down and have childs-play delete all their programs and stuff. that would just eb far too much work and there are too many mods for them to shut down, they worst theyd do is not let u have the source code

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PilotstroupF15E · Vehicle Drone **Joined**: 21 Sep 2003

It'd still be funny as hell if they accept your idea, then turn around and market it as an expansion pack or something or other...then again, seeing how EA is now in total control, that's virtually impossible now.

...That was meaningless. :sleep:

iceman559 · Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:57 pm Post subject:

nah, Westwood could still do that, at least reminence of em, they probably didnt sign Copyrights of previously realeased games over when EA took over Westwood. If they did, thatd be crazy, unless EA gave em no choice

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PilotstroupF15E · Vehicle Drone **Joined**: 21 Sep 2003

Who knows if WW was "absorbed/assimilated" by EA lock, stock, and barrel. They could own everything of them...though I see a mysterious absence of any other WW publication other than C&C on the EA pages now. No BladeRunner, no Lands of Lore, no Dune, no anything, just plain weird!

TerroR · General **Joined**: 25 Aug 2002 **Location**: UK

Tratos wrote:

If you could make a new type of tiberium, with a different image and one that doesn't grow etc... you could make the scavenger 'harvest' debris for extra money.

Wouldn't the tiberium harvesters harvest it still?

The DvD · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:30 am Post subject:

Yes they would and that's the problem. For the rest it's really quite easy to make a scavenger/(harvester)

PilotstroupF15E · Vehicle Drone **Joined**: 21 Sep 2003

I wonder if there's some way to manipulate the Nod Repair Drone logic to get the desired effect...and the have vehicles leave collectible debris after being destroyed.

hellfire · Commander **Joined**: 09 Jan 2003 **Location**: Canada

Someone should try to ask the gguys from WW who made the new company, they may "Leak" the source for the games(I'm sure they have it or at least a way to get it.) just to spite EA, now this is prolly 100% ilegal which pretty much kills any chance of it happening but we might get something from them.

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Muldrake · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 10:16 am Post subject:

Has anyone tried guessing the code?
Something like under unit "leavesdebris=yes" or something?
It is a long shot, but worth a try. I'll give it a go.. but I don't have much time to do stuff at the moment Sad

The DvD · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 11:52 am Post subject:

no... all tags (codes) are to be found in the .exe, which can be scanned with the right program. There are no tags like this. And F22, no that is completely impossible. The repair bot simply uses a weapon with negative damage... (=heal)

Venom · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:54 pm Post subject:

hey Hellfire, let me fill you in on a little something, this site is based on illegal gaming and manipulation of the game which is defined in the aggreement thing in the installation as being illegal

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hellfire · Commander **Joined**: 09 Jan 2003 **Location**: Canada

I knowthat technically modding is illegal I just ment that them releasing source to the games(Unless copyrights are still heald by westwood and not EA.) would be illegal and would be shut down by EA.

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Banshee · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:23 pm Post subject:

Westwood is held by EA. Modding is illegal. But EA doesnt care if you mod their games or not, because the staff of EALA technically supports modders (but I doubt they supports modders to get the source code of the program).

hellfire · Commander **Joined**: 09 Jan 2003 **Location**: Canada

Ya I know anyone workin for EA would horde the code, but petroglyph the guys who left because they didn't like EA may release it.

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SMIFFGIG · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 1:34 am Post subject:

Now heres something interesting

the scavenger concept art, but the character

it seems as though the scavenger was going to play as a character likely in the cutscenes as well as an actual unit

They really did remove a huge part of the game by not including it

anyway here he is

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The DvD · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 9:58 am Post subject:

Ok SMIFFGIG, you GOT to tell me were you get these things Wink

now seriously, this rocks and sucks badly at the same time, you know what i mean.

Apparently the guy is some kind of mutant that collects stuff... but what does he do with it? And is the scavenger a vehicle or an infantry unit?? i'm confused

SeaMan · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 10:06 am Post subject:

The DvD wrote:

Apparently the guy is some kind of mutant that collects stuff... but what does he do with it? And is the scavenger a vehicle or an infantry unit?? i'm confused

www.tiberiumsun.com

Picks up parts from vehicles and uses them to create new abilities for other units.
Example: Piece from Stealth Tank + Tick Tank=Stealth Tick Tank.

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FinalMoon · Cyborg Cannon **Joined**: 21 Apr 2003

The DvD, this is one of the not-so-good picks from a batch of over 30 never before seen TS Concept Art pics that have just recently been discovered and posted on tumsun. Check the main page: www.tiberiumsun.com/index.shtml

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awrethien · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject:

Thouse pics look awsome! I realy like the stealth tank concept. It doesnt look as flat as the one ingame and it evin looks like it has a gun attached not only missiles. The tick tank looks more agressive and I like the GDI refinery and silo conceps.

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