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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject:
stopthechurch.org
I know some folks here might have some strong opinions on church and religion and what not.
My church put up this site where it asks anonymously "Should the church be stopped, yes or no?" and then it allows you to post why you think so.
the site contains some articles both for and against what we call "church"
I do NOT want to discuss this topic here, though I'd encourage those of you who have strong, REAL opinions on this topic to stop there and post what you think regarding the church.
Don't spam or fool around please, state your opinion as respectfully and as intelligently as possible. Thanks again! _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject:
Whatever you want to stop it from doing, I suppose..
The question will probably mean different things to different people _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:13 am Post subject:
Well my input is that I really don't care about religions as long as it doesn't affect me directly or indirectly. But, I do hate seeing religion being enforced in the public which I see alot around where I live, to makes things worse. I began seeing commericals on Dianetics and some other crazy mumbojumbo that got me stop watching TV. I see believing as an optional thing. As an Atheist, I strongly believe in Free Thinking and not have ones life be controlled with strict religious guildlines.
I will never forget that one day when a bunch of Mormons came to my house to talk with my parents just because I told them that I was an atheist.
EDIT: that site is in flash, so I ain't trusting it. _________________
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Any church, any religious organisation that teaches people anything other than facts should be stopped. Or mocked, because fighting religious people is like pissing in the wind.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:43 am Post subject:
I'm OK with religious organisations, as long they don't want me to join them or they keep thinking they know everything and everyone else is wrong in discussions about 'sensitive' topics like Darwin or Abortus... QUICK_EDIT
I'm OK with religious organisations, as long they don't want me to join them or they keep thinking they know everything and everyone else is wrong in discussions about 'sensitive' topics like Darwin or Abortus...
Can you like... add softdrugs and psychedelics to that list... QUICK_EDIT
Even if people will stop to belive in God.The politics will be the future type of religion,just see those elections in USA.Obama for millions of people is like a God. _________________ Lost Relic[mod] Lost Relic[game] QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:53 am Post subject:
blah blah blah blah.
i dont care.
i pity the fools who spend any time and thought on such a useless topic. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
My view of religion is quite positive. I only know a fraction of World's religions, but I don't think any of them encourage people to commit crimes, murders or even genocides. HOWEVER, what people have done wrong in the name of religion and God in the past, is NOT the fault of religion, but man himself. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Religion is not a reason it is an excuse, and to be honest we need to take this disguise from them and show these violent bastards for the snivelling cowards they really are. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
i would be all fine and dandy, but what pisses me off is when they bug you and bug you to go into there religion, when if i want part of it, ill bloody find them >_> QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject:
By no means a religious person at all, but I am not bothered by religion at all. I've never been confronted with some nut who wants to convert me, or somebody who goes HEY JOIN CHURCH OR GO TO HELL KBAI.
However, I do remember an evangelical friend of mine saying something like this-
It requires more faith to believe there is no god, no higher power than to believe there is one.
I agree with Crimsonium- Man does the actions, the misinterpretations and distortions that lead to the things that smear religions.
But I disagree with vefbl4. You are wrong, it isn't Obama. It is Opera.
and Lt A1, yes, religion was an excuse, a disguise for my grandmother to be a great, contributing member of society. She was a violent bastard and a snivelling coward if I ever knew one. I just wish you could of enlightened me to this sooner. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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I don't mean it for everything, you just took what said and twisted it. Religion does good to some people, it gives them hope and faith ana belief in fairness and equality and sharing etc.
However others use it as an excuse, a facade, a fortress of lies. The Klan, the crusades, Al Quaeda, hell the nazis even twiseted christianity to blame the jews. As it does good it does bad, a double edged sword, there is no way we can blunt just one edge, but we can tear the sword from the hands of those who shouldn't wield it, what right does Osama have to twist the words of one of the holiest texts in the world into a perverse cry for war? What right did the crusaders have to massacre muslims and jews because they liked their own versions of the story better? What right does anyone have? That's what I'm saying. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Religion needs to be either wiped out or replaced by a godless religion. A Euopean Buddhism perhaps. What does religion provide?
1)Hope (life after death)
2)Laws/Morals (obeying God)
3)Free Will (you are responsible for obeying god, therefore you are responsible to face the consequences)
4)Reason (meaning of life etc)
Man can create all these things on his own (He created religion, so he already has done this). Perhaps one of the biggest reason people hold onto religion is that they want to go to heavon. The concept that absolutly nothing happens to them after they die is too heartbreaking fo rthem to accept. A heavon where perfection exist is a lot more romantic/appealing than someone telling you that when you ceast to exist, you cease to exist (no matter how much more truth may belong to the latter). Christianity without heavon would have never been able to gather a following. But accepting your fateless fate is a philosphical thing that many people are not and may never be prepared for. Also, I beleive free will had it's roots in religion, because it was nessecary for the law part of religion. A person with no free will cannot possible disobey God. However, if you do have freewill, than you CAN disobey him. If you disobey him, then you can face the punishments he gives you (earthquakes, floods, famines, hell etc). So in summary, free will is an excuse created by religion in order to hold people responsible for natural phenoma. It's a philosophy, alot of it Nietzsche. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Again, prove that man created religion. Is it only man that is able to believe in something? Remember, religion/believing doesn't mean you have to have supernatural beings to serve and obey. If you believe tomorrow could be better than today, indeed, you believe already, and if you repeat this days after weeks after months after years, you've got yourself your religion.
Anyway, about God. Why do everybody think this God needs to be something concrete, a being that can affect our lives? Don't turn into Bible or Qur'an again, the Bible especially was only spoken to generations after generations for centuries, if not millenias. What if God is something less intelligible, perhaps what we like to call conscience? Or what about self-awareness?
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject:
@DCCoder: Best picture ever.
No offense intended to anyone.
Apparently, the reason why Hitler hated the Jews: He thought they were arrogant pricks who claimed that they formed a covenant with God (I believe this is in the old Bible), that God chose them as his favoured people, that God promised them a new country. Thanks to the States, they got that country. Yeah, after the war, the States, Britian, and many others really felt sorry for them, they felt guilty; the Jews drove this guilt deep into countries, which allowed them to be what Isreal is now.
So, Hitler didn't like them, because he thought they thought they were superior to everyone else. Hitler can't have that, as HIS people are supposedly superior. _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
Not only because of religious reasons, but Jews were hated before WWII because of the hyperinflation in Weimar Republic. That's right, they were hated because most of the Jews in Europe had been working in bank business, and so they were blamed for the chaos. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Europeans (Especially germans) have alwayd
s hated jews, I don't get why, a soft insult here is to be called a jew, which is odd. But The germans blamed the Jews for the great plague and other stuff too... _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
I'm not one to say that religion actually bothers me, but its when people try to shove it down your throats that annoys me, like how it was mentioned that people try to make you join their religion. At the end of the day you can believe in what you want to believe in and no-one is going to stop you doing that but you should really keep it to yourself instead of trying (forcing) to get other people believing too. The way I see it is If I KNOW its there, its there. If something is supposedly there, but I haven't seen it or saw no evidence, I'm not going to believe its there. Most people believe in religions as they WANT to believe there is something there, something other than what science can prove. There are somethings that science can not explain, fair enough, but honestly some religious people need to open their eyes. I'm not bothered by it as long as people don't try to force it upon me. I Personally think Atheism is the best way to go, that way none of this religious nonsense bothers anyone. If everyone was an atheist, a lot of bad events in the past could of been avoided. QUICK_EDIT
beleiving is just considering to be true, it is nothing more than an opinion.
If we look to religion empirically, God cannot be measured, seen, felt, anything. (There are those who have "seen" stuff, but what they have seen cannot be reproduced scientifically), therefore he does not extist. Neither does heavon(heaven?heavan?). Denying that man created religion is like denying evolution. Theres evidence everywhere. Most religious figures are created after humans or animals, most try to explain natural phenomena, most revolve around the lifestyles that their creators had. Notice monotheism. It was the religion of shpeherds originally. God is modeled after a shepherd leading his flock. God (the shepherd) has complete control over his flock. Then you have religions of the agricultural civilizations. These had many gods because there were many influences upon these people's lives; the sun, the rain, the wind. Alot of the growing of the crops were out of the people's control, therefore they explain this lack of control as it being in the control of the gods. If there was no rain for the crop, someone offended the rain god. If the grass was dead for the shepherd, he could simply move on to another location (again, the shepherd as a god has control).
If you are saying God is our conscience, then that leads to nothing... He would no longer be a god buther rather be degraded to our super ego. You would just be substituting a religious term for a psychological one.
As for forcing people into a religion-bah. Historically it has more to do with power than with the church. Take England for example. When Henry made the Chruch of England (with himself at it's head) he HAD to force the citizens to convert so he would have total control over them. It's all part of the "divine right" rubbish. Then you get to today with the mormons. I don't think they really care about power, they just have a totaltarian "prophet" in Salt Lake City telling them all what to do. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
I don't care for religions in particular, but beliefs better all be dead in 200 years... all of humanity has to step in the new millenium one day. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject:
Since I have believed and followed Christianity, it's helped me improve myself, my relationships, my conscience, my self confidence, and my peace of mind.
I'm not interested in arguing creationism, or arguing over heaven or hell, or things neither side can conclusively prove.
My faith isn't based on any priest, organization, or church building. It's between me and God, and the Bible.
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:47 am Post subject:
I've never had a problem with any form of religion except Jehovah's witness'(who have been pushy to the point I use the dog to scare them away). I see it as the opiate of the people, a drug to be used and abused. I guess I'm what you could say is somewhere in the grey area between atheist and agnostic(I think that's what it's called), as I'd never be assimilated unless I was given 150% evidence of any super natural being's existence yet still allow the possibility of such things to be real anyhow. After all, why would any of what happened in any of the holy scripture have happened thousands of years ago, yet never again?
T'would be goin' to Hell anyhow if such things existed . _________________
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:59 am Post subject:
Television is more of a mass opiate than religion.. does that have any impact whether or not you participate in it? _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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when they say the opium of the people, Marx means that people's lives are so shitty, that the only joy and hope they have is religion-that they are going to heaven and everything will be alright. Then the bourgeouse exploit this and use religion to control the masses. It can sort of be equated with the media, but I don't think the majority of people's one true happiness in life depends on the tube.
I strongly suggest you do what I do, read both sides of the story before you make a decision. I read the bible, then I read Nietzsche. Nietzsche is the truth according to me. The point is to be open minded before you make a decision. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:26 am Post subject:
I said television, not merely youtube. Most of people's lives are spent in front of it when they're not working or sleeping.
I just posted this topic because I was interested in hearing people's opinions about the church, are you really telling me to be open minded? _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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Have you ever read a book on aetheism, or any other religion for that matter? I mean, you ARE trying here, and I ammend you for that. Although the kids around ppm aren't probably the contemporary authorities of religion and religious philosophy.
Lol, the tube is a slang word for television, not YouTube. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:10 am Post subject:
DCoder's picture is funny. I follow one of the 3 religions mentioned there (follow is a kind of strong word, to be honest, since I'm extremely liberal), but I do not have imaginary friends. I simply believe that God is the universe. And the universe exists. So, I don't have an imaginary friend, therefore, I'm not stupid . QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:
Yeah, and what about this whole Carma & Effect stuff? You guys believe that if you do bad things, bad things will happen to you? Karma (is that how you spell it?), if you think about it, could be 'god', in a sense.
I believe in myself. I make the world as it seems. It could be the best or shittiest place ever. When I die, there is no world anymore. Don't think about the future too much, don't cling to the past too much, just act NOW. _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:
Team Black wrote:
All I know is that it's worked for me, and I only wish all of you guys could truly find out for yourselves.
I've tried it: I've been to a Christian Primary and High school, and I still don't like it. Hell, I even believed in Allah for a few moments in my live (DON'T ASK HOW I CAME THERE! ), but it's no difference...
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I went to a church of England Primary school, and the whole experience sent me off of religion, the way it was forced on you every day, prayers at the end of the day and before lunch, singing hymns and stuff in assembly... I deceided religion wasn't for me as, ironically, did many of my classmates. I have believed in my limited time in god, in fate and even in a flying italian gourmet. But no more.
"Hustory is bunk, the only history worth a tinker's damn is the history we make today"-Henry Ford. With an attitude that forward thinking it's no wonder the person i quoted invented the modern production line. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject:
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My faith isn't based on any priest, organization, or church building. It's between me and God, and the Bible.
Going to a "Christian" school doesn't make you Christian, you know
What defines a Christian is his or her character; how they act in regards to the teachings of Christ that they claim to represent.
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"Hustory is bunk, the only history worth a tinker's damn is the history we make today"-Henry Ford
Yes, but it still stands, it doesn't mean we must worship it, it's just something for you to think about, I mean it's not like it happened 2008 years ago in the land now inhabited by warring Jews and Allah worshipers, it happened in the modern, industrial age, it is of the utmost relavance to here and now.bI have not made it void, something like that is never void, by your logic evewryone should have forgotten it a soon as he said it, it's about here and now so it should always be carried in the here and now. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
how is it a paradox? It's relevence applies to the current time. The statement does not freeeze in history, nor is the statement history on it's own. The meaning of the statement is it's prinicpality of "now". "Now" does not mean that moment as it happens and passes, but the ongoing one. Henry Ford is no longer "worth a damn", but the moral of the statements remains the same. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
easy there, I just found it interesting that his quote was a paradox, that's all
Yeah... Came over a bit angry there... Gotta watch that... I'm gonna go sleep now so i can get up at 6:50 and enjoy another day of my mind being pumped full of trash. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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stopthechurch.org
I see believing as an optional thing. As an Atheist, I strongly believe in Free Thinking and not have ones life be controlled with strict religious guildlines.
