Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:
Just an idea...
Aro and I had a little convo a while ago, at the time when someone else created a topic about PPM dying. While discussing this, Aro came up with an idea to improve the quality of PPM: Close the Word game, the Word relay game and the TPAM game.
Even though Aro said he would make a poll out of it, I haven't seen one yet, so I decided to make one.
The main question: what do you guys think of this idea. It will kill the 3 main spamming games, and (hopefully) improve the quality of the posts made here. The other games may survive, because they are more fun, and they mostly have posts with more then 1 word QUICK_EDIT
i don't think ppm is dying. It's just that in the recent time the number of members who only spam grew while the number of modders stayed the same.
That's why you can't see the useful modding posts between all this stupid spam anymore and you get the impression that the quality of ppm is falling.
And if you close these games it could either stop new members to come here and spam
or it could cause the spammers to search other topics to spam and these topics could be more the serious ones where it would be really bad.
So i'm really not sure if closing these topics would be wise. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
I Think the majority of people only play those games to get their number of posts higher. I've participated in some of the games very few times just cause I had nothing better to do. I Think that locking the Forum games will case people to pay more attention to what PPM is actually about though you'll probably have people moaning. I'm not saying all forum games should be locked but the number of stupid and pointless threads should be such as the "Word game" (It actually came with rules but no-one even pays attention to them anymore), "Word Relay" and the "Say one nice thing about the person above you| threads. I Don't mean to sound like the forum Killjoy but I really don't think I'm wrong. QUICK_EDIT
"oh look, the word games are gone." *leaves PPM because content is rarely updated*
@ Liten,
he is referring to the "say something nice about the person above you game." _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. Last edited by Regulus on Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:45 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Say one nice thing about the person above you thread...?
I dunno, the TPAM thread can be closed. However The Word Game is a core component...if it's gone then...only in my opinion, though. Usually people break the game by posting sentences or more than a word.
Word Relay? Not sure, kinda tests your vocab, but repetive sometimes. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
@ Liten,
he is referring to the "say something nice about the person above you game."
I know, but not thanks to you(still thanks ) I meant that he can´t write TPAM and the atomaticly think that everybody knows what that means. QUICK_EDIT
Also, I don't really bother about post counts...I wonder why others would...I guess I'm stuck here. If the Word Game survives then...yea. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Knew Aro'll use it against us Well, sometimes it's inevitable. Offtopicness occurs in even the most 'Strictest' thread...sometimes when you get confused and post things in the wrong forum, or you're in a really good mood and had to say this and that...
I wonder what Banshee's opinions are. *Wonders where the MIA Muldrake is* _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Locking those games, won't do much of anything really..
instead is just spent in other strategies to encourage or motive people ....but that is already being done. but many of the talented people don't need it. it helps but it really self-motivation that does the work.. _________________ Delirium.. QUICK_EDIT
I honestly can't see how you would improve PPM by removing all the non-seriousness from it.
You can only improve the quality by actually improving the modding sections, not just cutting away anything that is irrelevant, I hope you realize a lot of people think those stupid games are fun, right? If they want to up their postcount for some bizarre status-related reason let them do it in topics like that and NOT in the modding forums.
Thinking ahead is always wise...
Aro wrote:
This proves the point of the thread exactly... Some of you guys can't go one day without posting something totally stupid or off-topic.
Oh god, the hypocrisy! It burns!
I remember a certain Aro being banned from TibWeb after going into a drunken posting fit saying modding was childish and shit and forumgoers were lifeless...
This proves the point of the thread exactly... Some of you guys can't go one day without posting something totally stupid or off-topic.
Oh god, the hypocrisy! It burns!
I remember a certain Aro being banned from TibWeb after going into a drunken posting fit saying modding was childish and shit and forumgoers were lifeless...
Quit imitating DCoder, one is enough.
So ONE stupid action when I'm drunk means I'm a hypocrite? I Don't think so.
One mistake that I made doesn't change the fact I'm right about some particular people being annoying idiots does it? At least I apologized for my actions and had some form of reason why I was acting like such an idiot. Last edited by Aro on Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:32 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
The problems, yes, are the posters. Unless you're Yuri or something you probably can't make someone not go offtopic when their mental state is...err...well.
Modding games. Why are games there? Take a break from the "Serious lifestyle and life and life's stuff". Even if you mod seriously, it's still...fun. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
This proves the point of the thread exactly... Some of you guys can't go one day without posting something totally stupid or off-topic
People can´t be serious all the time. Sometimes, you just needs to get the Random Offtopic things out. That´s what the Offtopic setion is all about, and also the games you guys would like to close QUICK_EDIT
People can´t be serious all the time. Sometimes, you just needs to get the Random Offtopic things out. That´s what the Offtopic setion is all about, and also the games you guys would like to close
Being offtopic in the offtopic section is a lot different than being offtopic in a non-offtopic area. Last edited by Aro on Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:30 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject:
As Aro said, this proves my (and his) point. Stay on the bloody topic FFS! This topic ain't about closing all Spammy (or fun) games at PPM, just the main three...And Liten, read my posts before making comments like that I don't know how to write thing QUICK_EDIT
Dutchy...IIRC the main three ARE the only ones that we're (At least I am...) posting in I'll check it a few seconds later, don't quote me on this. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Websters Dictionary defines Spam As: "To send many identical or nearly-identical messages separately to a large number of Usenet newsgroups".
Since my post are NOT identical, it´s not Spam. I´m just trying to convince Dutchy that closing the games will cause the spamers to go to other topics, and spam there. Or they will simply just creat the games in a new tread. This concludes my posts in this topic, since peopel thinks it´s spam.
- Liten QUICK_EDIT
Why make such a huge thing out of something small? -_-
A few forum games are fine, they have never destroyed a forum, killed anyone or filled a forum with spam...so whats the point?
Do you see a on topic forum here full of spam topics?
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less prophecies of destruction and more modding, mapping, commenting etc... _________________ Last edited by Tore on Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:01 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject:
Look, now that is a usefull post! Instead of whining about an idea, give alternatives.
As for your idea: I am really tempted to ask The DVD if I may reactivate his TSTW mod. This will bring back a good old mod QUICK_EDIT
I don't think some of you are understanding what It is exactly that I mean. I'm not saying delete all the spam threads and what-not but I'm just saying that people these days don't even use those threads to spam in but do it in every other thread anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. QUICK_EDIT
I got to school during the day, and inbetween classes I like to go on the internet just to pass the time. This is really the only site I go nowadays. I do post in the spam games, but it's not why I got here. I would like there to be more political and economic threads, because I get joy out of those discussions. The Word game is for when I am REALLY bored. But it is the spam and the offtopic where we develop ourselves as people in this online community. If it wasn't for them, we'd just be our artwork and mods, and nothing more. We wouldn't be dafool or dutchy or aro, we'd be the tank voxel I just posted or that new map. The offtopic lets us develop as people....personalities.
The Word game is symbolic, the others can go. Maybe there should be some kind of quota that a person has to do in order to post. Or a punishment system where it is everytime something bad happens. Or maybe just stricter moderation. Or tiered membership. I don't know how you'd do it, but maybe you have to earn your right to post. So that way newbie modders can read the forums but not be able to spam. Although it would kind of hard for them to earn the right to post.... Or maybe they start of with the privledge to post, but if they say something stupid they lose it for a while. Whatever. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
I don't think some of you are understanding what It is exactly that I mean. I'm not saying delete all the spam threads and what-not but I'm just saying that people these days don't even use those threads to spam in but do it in every other thread anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Well then the forum needs more strict moderation, particularly on the banning end of the scale.
I don't think Banshee believes in strong moderation, I think he's one of the people who said I was being too harsh on Revora but I might well be wrong about that. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I don't think some of you are understanding what It is exactly that I mean. I'm not saying delete all the spam threads and what-not but I'm just saying that people these days don't even use those threads to spam in but do it in every other thread anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Well then the forum needs more strict moderation, particularly on the banning end of the scale.
I don't think Banshee believes in strong moderation, I think he's one of the people who said I was being too harsh on Revora but I might well be wrong about that.
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Just an idea...
Dutchygamer wrote:
Aro and I had a little convo a while ago, at the time when someone else created a topic about PPM dying. While discussing this, Aro came up with an idea to improve the quality of PPM: Close the Word game, the Word relay game and the TPAM game.
Even though Aro said he would make a poll out of it, I haven't seen one yet, so I decided to make one.
The main question: what do you guys think of this idea. It will kill the 3 main spamming games, and (hopefully) improve the quality of the posts made here. The other games may survive, because they are more fun, and they mostly have posts with more then 1 word
Aro wrote:
I Think the majority of people only play those games to get their number of posts higher. I've participated in some of the games very few times just cause I had nothing better to do. I Think that locking the Forum games will case people to pay more attention to what PPM is actually about though you'll probably have people moaning. I'm not saying all forum games should be locked but the number of stupid and pointless threads should be such as the "Word game" (It actually came with rules but no-one even pays attention to them anymore), "Word Relay" and the "Say one nice thing about the person above you| threads. I Don't mean to sound like the forum Killjoy but I really don't think I'm wrong.
Aro wrote:
I don't think some of you are understanding what It is exactly that I mean. I'm not saying delete all the spam threads and what-not but I'm just saying that people these days don't even use those threads to spam in but do it in every other thread anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Aro, what the hell are you trying to say here?
Aro wrote:
people these days don't even use those threads to spam in but do it in every other thread anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Why delete them if people will spam up other topics anyhow?
Plus, I simply don't see such a ridiculously severe decrease in forum quality or increase in spamming. It has been like this forever, ever since this forum was founded, it started before you joined and it will not end until the forum is utterly dead. What are you so worried about all of a sudden? Where is this second Sevelys that requires a banhammer? Where is the next incarnation of Christian that needs to hug the concrete and suffer a strike with the banboot in the face? Not here.
My conclusion is you're either trying to act mature, or you're overly worrying about things. Wichever of the two it is, please quit it, there's no need for it...
Also, I'm not trying to be nasty or anything here, you know I luuuuuurve you Aro QUICK_EDIT
I don't think some of you are understanding what It is exactly that I mean. I'm not saying delete all the spam threads and what-not but I'm just saying that people these days don't even use those threads to spam in but do it in every other thread anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm being unclear but blergh, I don't care no more, can't be bothered to carry on the debate. Over-reaction.
Oh and what do you mean "ACT" mature?
He doesn't have to moderate personally, but they're his forums and he makes the overall judgement of how strictly it should be moderated. If he felt the moderating staff were too heavy handed he cant tell them to lighten up, or be more strict if he thinks there being too lax. Thus how he feels about moderating the forums affects the moderation of the forum as a whole regardless of his presence. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Just an idea...
Some of you guys can't go one day without posting something totally stupid or off-topic.
