Certainly impressive. But the main question is still there. Who is Kane? I have a theory, but I still have to formulate it, so I think it will be posted, but not today...
Anyways, I liked very much this reading. _________________ Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer. QUICK_EDIT
Kane is the biblical Cain, brother and murderer of Abel, doomed forever to "wander the land of nod", for whom the ground will not bear crops and who may never settle down. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Kane is the biblical Cain, brother and murderer of Abel, doomed forever to "wander the land of nod", for whom the ground will not bear crops and who may never settle down.
If I remember correctly Adam Isgreen said that on the petroglyph forums and it's hinted to in Renegade. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
It may be that he is just fascinated with the character. With the technology of Nod, it could be possible for a guy to slow down aging, so he's like 90 by the time of the latest game. It's not like C&C to have some guy be thousands of years old by magic.
So Kanewas just probably at the right place at the right time, and was able to rise to the top of the Brotherhood. I would presonally like to see a book, game, or even movie about pre-tiberium Nod. Like Maybe they some artifact that warns of the coming of tiberium, and everyone thinks it's BS, but Kane is like "This shit if for realz!" And then Nod becomes two camps, and it just so happens that Kane's Camp wins when Tiberium comes. This is just how I picture it happening. Kane has had help from an artifact (the tacitus) the entire time, and it is that which has given him the edge this entire time.
Or Kane could actually be Cobra Commander. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
I think A C&C movie (Somebody grab a sniper and guard against Uwe Boll) might be good if done properly. Maybe if it did a "Saving private Ryan" and covered the battle for europe from the eyes of one unit, as it were. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Foo, it's been told by the ol' devs for dozens of times now. Learn your background info plz.
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With the technology of Nod, it could be possible for a guy to slow down aging, so he's like 90 by the time of the latest game. It's not like C&C to have some guy be thousands of years old by magic.
Soo....how did Kane cheat death in the first place? You know, 4000 years ago or so....
...and please explain his mysterious teleporting (propably did the same thing when hit by the Ion Cannon) at the end of the TS Nod campaign. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I am saying that the biblical Caine is not our Kane, that Kane just admires Caine, and claims he is. But if you want to say that he is magic, go ahead.
As for getting hit with the ion cannon, he does have a metal mask on his face, which is a pretty good indicator that he got hit and took some damage. In KW, he took the mask off, which either proves that he didn't need it all along, or that he had been healed and no longer needed it.
as for teleporting, heck, he could have access to a chronosphere, which could also explain why he was in red alert 1. And the Scrin teleport too, perhaps that information is in the Tacticus. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
I have an idea. A teleport would need massive energy, right? A cronosphere has this massive and complex preparation that appears to be little more than the marshalling and chanelling of power, Kane disappears in a flash as the glow appears to consume him, maybe his chronosphere used the Ion cannon's power to charge it up? _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
I am saying that the biblical Caine is not our Kane, that Kane just admires Caine, and claims he is. But if you want to say that he is magic, go ahead.
As for getting hit with the ion cannon, he does have a metal mask on his face, which is a pretty good indicator that he got hit and took some damage. In KW, he took the mask off, which either proves that he didn't need it all along, or that he had been healed and no longer needed it.
as for teleporting, heck, he could have access to a chronosphere, which could also explain why he was in red alert 1. And the Scrin teleport too, perhaps that information is in the Tacticus.
1. There's enough evidence that he is in fact biblical Caine (IIRC, the old devs made the same statement at some point).
2. The Ion Cannon should've burned him to the ground, yet, all he has is a small burn mark on his face. I think it tells that he did the teleporty-thing just before getting incinerated.
3. I think it was Cypher and Ishmael from Petroglyph who confirmed that Kane had no chronosphere at the end of the Nod campaign in TS what-so-ever.
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I agree with Crim...and yes, the Devs have said it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Including in Renegade, which is canon according to them. The whole jibberish written on the temple wall in the last level of the game Renegade is actually the versus of the bible where Cain mudered Abel and was doomed to wander the land of nod, east of Eden, and bear the mark of Cain, that whoever wrongs him, he shall be avenged tenfold.
I think that the real questions are...who is CABAL and what is his connection with Kane, and what happens in the wake of Firestorm? Why did CABAL go berserk? Kane's Wrath did an extremely shittastic job at explaining this.
MY THEORY: I think CABAL was simply following Kane's original plan, he was just doing it more bluntly. Remeber when CABAL asked Slavick "Shall I continue with the operations (or something like that) That's where I think CABAL was just continuing the plan. Where as Kane would lull people to be part of Project Regenesis, CABAL just forced them to do it. I think this is because Kane knew that the Scrin would come, and he was actually preparing humanity for the inevitable invasion of the Scrin. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Then if they meant for him to be the dude in the biblie, that has to be the most stupid idea ever. Complety ruins tiberium for me. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Then if they meant for him to be the dude in the biblie, that has to be the most stupid idea ever. Complety ruins tiberium for me.
Actually, I think the biblical references (Lazarus, Ezekiel, Cain, et cetera....) give a nice spice to the epic of C&C. There's no "magic" involved (excluding Kane's resurrections and teleportation), so these references could just as well be historical. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
References are one thing, they do give it character. Saying that the main character IS a 4000 thousand year old immortal biblical figure, thats magic. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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The article is quite interesting, but many points are quite arguable IMO. _________________ I am MrFlibble. Just MrFlibble. From the Potato King to Uncle Arnie to MrFlibble. I am his right hand. FED2k Forums - Westwood Studios' Dune games and more QUICK_EDIT
I think that the huge inter-literary connections presented in Command and Conquer are truly epic. SO What if they referenced a book that has become a religious centerpiece? Its a literary text, and could be simply playing off canon. You just think it's magic and everything because its reference is used by some as a religious guideline. It is no different then writing HALO and Star Wars fan fiction, or other fan fiction to books throughout history. No different. And you mean to tell me that all the other games out there that use many biblical references arn't magic in your opinion? What about magic games themselves? Is it because they come out and say its magic? Silly logic. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
You can call a unit a Titan, it's a reference to ancient greek mythology. You can call the stealth technology Lazarus Sheild or whatever it is, it's a reference. If you say Kane IS Cain, that moves beyond reference, way beyond reference. That;s almost like saying the religion is true, and religion is basically magic. You may disagree with the word magic, as it has the connotations of wizards and dragons, but magic is the word to describe all the phenomena. But Kane SAYING he is Cain and Kane actually BEING Cain are two different things. IF he says he is Cain, then that is a reference. If he IS Cain, then that blows everything away. Kane also says he is the messiah. Is he Jesus too? Ooo, plot twist.
The only redeeming thing that could happen in my eyes would be if they insert something about Kane being connected to aliens and that all the biblical stuff was mis a misunderstanding by humans that Kane ran with. This would dispell magic and reaffirm it within the realm of science fiction.
I have no problem with magic, but I prefer science fiction. Magic has it's own place, but when you take a huge story, and then "everything behind this was magic!" thats dissapointing. Science Fiction is suppose to have this sort of legitamacy to it, like this could happen. And you can't mix science and religion, it just doesn't work.
I just hope that Kane is just a normal guy who rose to power and has access to some pretty cool technology, rather than being some kind of demi-god. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Religion is faith, not magic. The stories in the bible are about people, not about magic. A lot of it is exaggerated, and as far as I know, the story about Cain and Abel doesn't ciontain any "magic" in the first place. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
But the age of the character Cain would require Kane to be 1000s of years old.
Maybe Kane is just a title, something handed down from the original, founder of the society, Cain. It would explain the slight change in spelling. QUICK_EDIT
Faith is to have a belief in something. Religion is to believe in magic. And if I were to name every instance of magic within the bible, then I might aswell just c/p the bible.
Don't forget why Cain killed Abel; god like abel's sacrifice more than Cain's, so killed Abel. Now, why did they sacrifice? Did they beleive that god enjoyed to watch them waste supplies and force them to work harder, or did they believe that once they burnt the stuff, god could like, eat it? It was the latter. Cain was jealous of abel because god liked the fruit magically coming to him more than the meat. The entire arguement was over who wasted food the best. And Orac gets my point. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
The only redeeming thing that could happen in my eyes would be if they insert something about Kane being connected to aliens and that all the biblical stuff was mis a misunderstanding by humans that Kane ran with. This would dispell magic and reaffirm it within the realm of science fiction.
That's my take on it, he's probably an alien, that'd suit him. There's too much for him to be biblical, but if religion were all a manipulation of humanity's desire to escape the impending dark we all face? That's quite deep. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Or maybe Kane is cain, and Westwood was referencing and treating the bible like any other compilation of stories, which may or may not be fiction. This is not a religious debate, nor did I imply that the bible is real or not.
Fact one: there is a story, in a book, called the Bible, where a man, named Cain, kills a man named Abel, and is condemned to wander the land of nod (which is a redundant phrase btw, as Nod means to wander)
Fact Two: Westwood made a game with a figure named Kane, and has hinted that Kane may very well be the Cain from the book mentioned in fact one.
Some people don't agree with this because they think that by that logic, Westwood implied that the Biblical story in presented is an actual fact, and it may or may not be, but that isn't the point. Because of this misnomer, people don't want to believe that this is how Westwood presented the story arc.
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Westwood may have referenced a possibly fictitious book, called the bible, and used a character from that possibly fictitious book to create their own literary canon for a game. They did not imply or endorse the idea that the Bible is real or not. If the story were not in the actual bible, I'm sure this debate would have not occurred.
And another thing, there are many subliminal references to the bible in the Command and Conquer manual. There is an obscure reference to an Interpol file which correlates to the same biblical verses as the story of Cain and Abel. Not to mention the artifact being extracted from the temple at the end credits, depicting a man holding a stone over another man who is looking up at him begging for his life. The entire scene is dedicated to this plaque. So what are you waiting for? For Kane to come out and say it? "Oh, btw bra, I'm like 40000 years old and I killed my bro because big man liked his shit better yo."
Science has yet to provide substantial evidence to prove or disprove higher powers, and under its logic, will never be able to do so. Science is just a tool to rationalize our sensory understanding of the universe, and, in reality, cannot 100% prove anything, because it cannot prove our own existence. In fact, good science sets out to disprove a theory, rather than find evidence to simply prove it. Science, while many people have trumpeted the fact it has, has not disproven the existence of a higher power. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
I say Kane is clones! How else can he have so many deadly encounters and still be around? Last I checked, falling temples, ion cannons, and metal objects through a body kill you, oh and a second ion cannon. Also he went from face to face with cyborgish implants, to back to plain face. _________________ Comcast: Yo dawg we herd yo were downloading, so we put fail in yo modem so yo cant download while yo failin! QUICK_EDIT
And, another thing to point out. The Scrin said that Kane already existed in their databases right? Assuming that Kane really is Cain(e), then it is possible that the Scrin does have some knowledge about with the Creation, their banishment, Abel's death and ultimately, Cain(e) and Nod. Not to mention God Himself...
Either tat or Kane is an alien they've already encountered......
Nayy....Adam Isgreen said that, clearly, Kane is a human. He also said something about Kane's "fate tied to Earth's fate", but I can only guess what that means.... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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I remember that in the "Kane Dossier" published by EA prior to the C&C3 release it is mentioned that the Brotherhood members believe Kane is Cain, and Kane might very well support this belief.
If Kane is not an alien after all (even though there's enough facts hinting at such a state of affairs in the series), I think he might be a human who got hold of some alien technology, or was "gifted" by aliens for some reason, and this technology/"gift" provided him with longevity. Another solution would be that he's a human/alien symbiont. _________________ I am MrFlibble. Just MrFlibble. From the Potato King to Uncle Arnie to MrFlibble. I am his right hand. FED2k Forums - Westwood Studios' Dune games and more QUICK_EDIT
I think it's rather the other way around... If Earth is destroyed, Kane dies with it.
Anyway I personally think that Kane being Cain doesn't necessarily have to imply an actual God is involved in the C&C story...
Back at the Petroglyph forums Adam Isgreen mentioned there where 2 possibilities for what the actual origin of the Tacitus was; one was that it was some kind of scrin bible (and I think a scrin bible would really be something like a central military/civilian database, rather than a religious ting) and the second possibility was that it was "a sole prison for the martian leader who knew how to defeat the Scrin, but was too late".
The Tacitus isn't really relevant, but what I'm getting at is that the martians are mentioned, meaning that whether the origin of the Tacitus has anything to do with the Martians or not, the Martians are involved in the C&C story.
I know many seem to dislike the idea of martians because of whatever stereotypes that come with them, but let's just ignore those stereotypes for now...
Anyway, I personally felt it somehow actually made sense, since Mars does sort of look like it has been sucked dry from its resources.
So what if (in the C&C universe of course ) before there were any humans on Earth, they lived on Mars and mars was alive as Earth is right now...
Then one day the Martians detect a huge fleed of Scrinships heading towards Mars in a far distance (or possibly they know the Scrin will attack them soon beforehand because of another reason).
So in order to ensure the survival of their race, the Marian leader decides to transport the civilians to Earth, which at the moment happens to be covered in a huge cloud (which doesn't let any sun light through and will cause an ice age to occur, wiping out the dinosaurs; the Martians might or might not have been responsible for this), meaning the Scrin won't be able to detect any life or resources on Earth when they arrive.
So this would mean all humans (including Kane/Cain) are from origin really martians. So now what if God is really the Martian leader?
Maybe Kane doesn't age (or die) because of some funky Martian technology (possibly this was really done as punishment or maybe he was really to stay alive to make sure Earth would stand a chance when the Scrin would return), soo... No magic involved _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Classic scifi at its best/worst. works quite well. Maybe the Tacitus was Kane's? Perhaps his body dies but the essence of Kane is captured within it, woud make sense of its importance to him... _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Well, if we're following the intended storyline, that won't be the case since it wasn't mentioned as either of the possible origins of the Tacitus...
I personally think the Tacitus was a military database of the Scrin; all of the data concerning their military units and harvesting methods (meaning also all information concerning tiberium) is in it and possibly there's multiple databases like these (with exactly the same data) so that they have the data available wherever they go or possibly there's only one.
Adam Isgreen mentioned that some Scrin rebels stole the Tacitus and crashed to earth with it. He also mentioned that in real life Tesla claimed to have contacted aliens through his technology and this fact was taken into account in C&C's story...
So putting these facts together I think the Scrin rebels stole the Tacitus from either their home planet or some mother ship, fled (unintentionally) in the direction of Earth with it, looking for an alien race which could help them in their fight against the Scrin government/empire/whateveryouwannacallit (and the Tacitus was supposed to provide the ones that were going to help them with the necessary information to take on the Scrin).
While fleeing the ship of the Scrin rebels got severely damaged and while flying blind they picked up a radio signal coming from Tesla, which led them to Earth. After entering the Earth's atmosphere they crashed and possibly they all died in the crash or maybe some survived...
Nod was the first to find the crash and I believe they covered it up before anyone ever saw it... and this is when Kane got the Tacitus (when exactly this was is unclear, but it must've been somewhere before Tiberian Dawn, since Nod was already building a Scrinship with technology from the Tacitus at the end of TD).
Now there's another theory I have about what happened to the Scirn rebels after they crashed to Earth...
CABAL's full name gives away there's a biological component to his being, but it's never made clear what exactly that biological component is.
So maybe one or more of the Scrin rebels that crashed to earth were used to function as CABAL's mind and the bodies you see in the final Firstorm Nod FMV (in CABAL's hidden chamber) are really the Scrin rebels (aside from Kane's body of course). _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Okay, DaFool, sacrifices are blood spilt to cleanse your sins away, the body burnt to sacrifice that symbolizes the absolvement of those sins, not to feed God. He's God, not the friggin' sims, he doesn't need food.
Secondly, 'magic' is not the right word, miracles. So, Jesus cured people of blindness. So? An optometrist can do that to an extent, he just uses tools, and that's why Jesus doing that without tools is what we call a miracle.
Don't quote religions you don't understand...
Anyway, I remember reading about Kane being regenerated after one of the Ion strikes, and the burn mark is because he wasn't fully regenerated. And, when he appears the next time without the mask, it's because he finished regenerating. Or, something like that... Isn't canonical theory fun? lol QUICK_EDIT
Well, those theories are very good. But there are some semi-counter/supportive arguments made in CnC 3, which, although technically canon, is not canon made from the original creators of the C&C franchise, so its validity is debatable.
Anyway, General Granger, or whoever, said that the Tacitus contained a warning about the arrival of Scrin. My interpretation of that information is that the Tacitus literally contained a warning, and not just information. This supports the idea that an Anti-scrin faction was involved in bringing the Tacitus to Earth.
The crash landing onto the planet is probably what split the Tacitus into two separate pieces. However, my theory is that the Tacitus arrived much later in the time line, around the same time Tiberium did. The Tiberian War lasted for several years, although that fact isn't clearly stated in the games. Plenty of time to use the near unlimited resources provided by Tiberium and the information of the Tacitus to conduct several experiments and even build the Scrin Modeled ship.
In Renegade, there is a Scrin Saucer crashed into the remains of Egyptian architecture. This ship has a place for the Tacitus, or a similar object, and there is no telling how long it has been there. Dr. Beudroe stated that there were millions of terraquads of data, and surely genetic biological information and advanced avionic theories were also present on it. Just some points to ponder. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
To be honest I never really considered Renegade to be canonical mainly because of the cut scenes being too... silly; they were just too hard to be taken seriously (kind of like with Red Alert 2). There most likely might have been some things in Renegade that really were canonical, considering at least some of the staff of TD was involved, but I think most of the events in Renegade aren't to be taken seriously.
The flying sorcerer in Renegeade might have really been a crashed Scrinship, but even if it was, it obviously wouldn't have really looked like a flying sorcerer.
Possibly the Scrin Rebels crashed to earth around the time of Renegade, but I personally believe they arrived around the time of Red Alert of even before, considering a lot of time would've been needed to decipher the Tacitus (especially since CABAL wasn't around yet, who/which was created as a project from information extracted from the Tacitus as well, according to Adam Isgreen).
Anyway, as I was saying I found Renegade too hard to be taken seriously and the same thing even goes for C&C3. This is indeed also mainly because of the cut scenes (unlike in TS people just don't really seem serious, but a lot more cheesy and in fact a lot more like they're... acting), but also because of the unit voices (they just don't respond how you'd expect a real military unit to respond).
So, considering I find it hard to take either Renegade or C&C3 seriously, I don't really remember/know that much of the story presented in it. Still, there likely will be some things in C&C3 that were were originally intended, since EA has all of Westwood's files and data.
Anyway, if in C&C3 it's stated that there was a warning of the Scrin's arrival (whether it's really canonical or not), it might mean the Scrin already knew about there being life (and resources) on Earth beforehand and their plan to attack Earth was listed in the Tacitus (since I figure it's a military database after all).
However, I'd personally prefer to think it was really Tesla who caused the Scrin to attack Earth, since he lead the Scrin rebels to Earth, who were being followed/tracked by the Scrin and discovered Earth's resources because of it. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Actually, I am warming up to the idea that religion was a lie and conspiracy started by the secret organization known as Nod and led by Kane.
And Necro, exactly how did your counter arguement work for you? You cannot differentiate miracles and magic, they are one and the same. A doctor is able to fix someone's eyesight through training, knowledge, and a leanred skill. Jesus supposedly touched a dude and they were healed. The philosophical school of thought that a supreme being created existence is one thing, and I can respect that, but believing in something as redicoulous and as far fetched as a religion, thats just not logical. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
"Any Sufficiently Advanced Technology is Indistinguishable from Magic."
The same could also be applied when taken into an account of a human and his control over his environment. Perhaps Jesus and later his disciples could control molecules and atomic nuclei, allowing them to heal people, turn water into wine, and generate something from nothing? While this destroys the romantic inclinations of the miracle, it isn't at all far fetched. The only thing we can be sure of is that there really was a man named Jesus; Roman records from the time period reference him.
A conspiracy for what gain? People lie for two reasons: Gains and blames. People lie to gain some sort of advantage, and people lie to prevent getting blamed/ruining something, etc. Generally, when people are in a conspiracy, once the jig is up, people blow the cover. Look at the latest scandals that have been brought to light, Watergate and Iran-Contra. Richard Nixon and those involved couldn't hold up a lie for 8 years, what makes one think that a group of people following a man that the powers that be hated would lie to "save lost sheep" which brings no immediate returns or long term gains? Why would they not renounce it, even after having their main figurehead crucified on the cross like a thief or murderer? And then be prosecuted and DIE for this lie in the Roman empire? How could a group of people with keep up a lie for thousands of years if absolutely no one is benefiting from it in a financial point of view? I find it very hard to believe that a group of people got together and acted out the entire thing, or that someone wrote a random book and suddenly topped the Roman Best Seller list and go on to be one of the world's largest religions. Last edited by Regulus on Tue May 12, 2009 2:38 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Anyway, I personally felt it somehow actually made sense, since Mars does sort of look like it has been sucked dry from its resources.
So what if (in the C&C universe of course ) before there were any humans on Earth, they lived on Mars and mars was alive as Earth is right now...
Then one day the Martians detect a huge fleed of Scrinships heading towards Mars in a far distance (or possibly they know the Scrin will attack them soon beforehand because of another reason).
So in order to ensure the survival of their race, the Marian leader decides to transport the civilians to Earth, which at the moment happens to be covered in a huge cloud (which doesn't let any sun light through and will cause an ice age to occur, wiping out the dinosaurs; the Martians might or might not have been responsible for this), meaning the Scrin won't be able to detect any life or resources on Earth when they arrive.
So this would mean all humans (including Kane/Cain) are from origin really martians. So now what if God is really the Martian leader?
Or they could've been a victim of the Scrins' Tiberium seeding. Due to Kane being made immortal with his badass martian tech thingy, He was immune to Tiberium and to sought a way to repel any Scrin from invading their newfound planet, in this case, Earth. QUICK_EDIT
Regulus, read the article in the opening post in reagrds to the conspiracy. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
This all assumes that Nod doesn't have the technology to create immortality (they'd have been able to crush GDI straight off with that sort of power).
I think that the best way to think of this is that Nod is as ancient as Cain's lifetime, or within living memory of it. It is my personal view that Kane is not the first, but the latest of a long line of Cains, Canes, Kains, and Kanes throughout history - the leaders of the Nod Cult.
How can we be sure that Kane isn't both in RA and TD, while they are now separate timelines, because he is a real historical character?
(OK, fictional Historical Character. But a character who exists individually in two timelines. So in the RA timeline, Nod doesn't make it's move, while in the TD one, Nod does).
That would be how I'd write the history of Nod. Kane being the title, slowly changed from the original spelling by language, time and tide. QUICK_EDIT
*Sigh*... Kane doesn't exist in two different timelines... We're discussing the original storyline (RA->TD->TS->TI>...) which was set up by Westwood Vegas; any changes made by EA/WW Pacific afterwards are irrelevant.
It was also really Kane/Nod that pushed Stalin/the Soviet Union to start a war, so Nod already made a move then (and as described in the article linked to in the first post Nod was likely also responsible for many other big events that occurred throughout history.
Aside from that EA's RA storyline (RA1->RA2->RA3->...->RA55) completely ignores the fact that Kane was present in RA1, meaning Kane basically doesn't really exist in that timeline.
By the way, I really think Westwood based at least a part of what Nod is on the Illuminati _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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