you can thanks political parties who prey on fear as a device for thier own power. They present themselves as 'defenders' and as the only ones who are capable of facing the threats, even if the threat is imaginary or weak. The claim to be able to protect the masses, yet in return they will need power, and the ability to do basically what was mentioned in the video.
See: Feudalism, Serfdom, Hitler, and um, any where people have exchanged freedom for protection. The makers of this video are combating (unless it's a goverment slap in the face, whihc I find extremely funny/ironic, but nevertheless I doubt it). _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Not funny dude, not funny at all. Such laws are being made and on Octeber 11th there were rallies all over Europe trying to stop them. So far we're winning... QUICK_EDIT
Ok, sod this. Where'd we put the spitfires and Lee-Enfield Rifles? It's that time again.... _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
the utmost reason for this i believe was the 11th september WTC incident wich cataclysted a situation like this in the end wich was in the end a fake incident, i still believe.
Americas policity also was going a similar way, or still it does...i don't know, it's just harmful for the closest rights of a human beeing. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
it's part of a movement right now, but the sure thing is that this is one of the points politicians are really discussing to do _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
it's a countermovement to the goverment. The goverment wants to do this, and there are people who recognize exactly WhAT they are doing. The same thing happened in America, Bush wanted to tap phones, spy on people, and all that stuff. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Thats pure utter bullshit, it should never happen, its against sanity and everyone's good....geez, wtf is wrong with them? Haven't they already learned that you NEVER trade your freedom for protection? _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Yeah... Next there'll be a minister for propaganda and enlihtenment and S(something) troopers.. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
well this time we have to thank the terror panics for that wich were caused by some senile greedy old cowboy... _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Good point, they won't need trenchcoats anymore, they won't have to go outside *paranoid shivver* _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject:
I personally, wouldn't/don't care if my government spies on me. I don't do anything illegal. So, if it keeps me safe, I don't consider it losing my freedom. Freedom comes at a price. To be truly free, there has to be some amount of government interference, and some amount of restriction. 'True' freedom is just an ideological farce. Even if it's against a 'false' threat, if you do something illegal or such that makes the government feel you are a threat, then you are the idiot that deserves what you get. Basically, good and moral people have nothing to fear. And, I'm not talking about religiously moral. I'm talking about the morals that everyone agrees on... Stealing is bad, killing is bad, prejudice is bad, etc. QUICK_EDIT
i mean...yea, watching you take a shower...and worst of all...caught fapping, i mean, they would get 24/7 free pronz >.> besides that, yea, morals that MOST people agree on, and ofcourse...you know what they said, One World Order isn't gonna happen due to the government forcing it on people, its gonna happen because the people want it, what idiots, controlled by the media >.> _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
so necro , you believe that it's okay beeing in control of anything in the end.
if this watching thing is through other things will come after, and more efficient ones , and so on...in the end this whole process ends like one of the dystopian science fiction films were humas wear barcodes, have numbers tatooed, possibly wear implants with theyr I.D. stuff and practically gets ordered around.
i dunno where YOU do think were human rights begin or end, but this 24/7 watching stuff IS against the rights and privacy, they basically interfere with your private life, by doing this they are practically standing right behind you.
you wouldn't mind that eh? _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
The Necro, would you like it if your MySpace, Facebook, e-mail, MSN, Skype, ICQ messages and pictures, your whole computer data was open to people you don't know? Yeah, imagine them looking at your naked girlfriend or pictures of you getting drunk. Or something you'd rather not share with everybody. Guess what, in the hands of those people stuff like this becomes blackmail against the possible opposition.
So yeah, that means loosing your freedom. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 11:47 pm Post subject:
Actually I'm somewhat afraid that something similar is going to happen in my country. A pair of days ago there was a report about the security on the net, and people are getting panicked, about their children's safety.
Anyways that's not the point. As data has a value; research data, digital art, well anything related to a job, has a price. I wouldn't be very comfortable to see my research corrupted by someone.
Another point, is the possible action they could take, restricting the access to specific information, and that's a more troubling issue (yeah restricting access to illegal content is fine, but what stops them from restricting the access to something else?), after all the internet is the only mass media free of bias. True, it's filled by the bias of individual people, and you'll need to filter the content, but once a government takes control of it, they could do whatever they might want with the information they would be feeding to us. QUICK_EDIT
wow, and i thought this everyone's a terrorist was an American thing. There was a report sent out by the US national security agency, talking about how there are certain "characteristics" of people who are likely to become "militia members." This list included people who were christian, anti-abortionists, fair-tax supporters, gun owners, returning veterans (can you believe the nerve) third party candidate supporters, and people who own a "don't tread on me flag"
So let's do a tally for me.
4 out of 6, I'm 67% likely to be a "Militia Member"
Which is a nice term for domestic terrorist.
And I'm feeling quite domestic as of late.
Seriously, has anyone not gotten the hint of the HUGE GIGANTIC SOCIALIST movement happening all over the world? The government is wanting to make it to where you HAVE to depend on them for everything. For food, for shelter, for living, and the social elites will be the gaining party. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We have played ourselves into something very dangerous and we need to wake up and smell the freedom. Being watched where ever you go isn't freedom. Having your phones tapped to listen to conversations isn't freedom. Having your purchases being monitored isn't freedom. (I can prove they are doing this, my friend has a letter from the federal government asking him politely to cease this type of transaction.)
Those who would trade a little freedom for a little protection deserve neither. - Benjamin Franklin _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Amen. Franklin was dead on, where's the nearest petition to stop stuff like this? _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
I'm talking about the morals that everyone agrees on... Stealing is bad, killing is bad, prejudice is bad, etc.
There was no agreement... no council of everyone in the world and if there was I surely wasnt there.
TheNecro wrote:
Basically, good and moral people have nothing to fear.
ROFL! Your a cliche American, arnt ya?
First, yes freedom cannot exist with 7 billion people on the planet. When there was 500 million, there could have been freedom. Before Rome urbanised Europe there was freedom. Two simple reasons.
1) Governments are naturally anti-freedom because they enforce control.
2) I'm not free because society expects me to do certain things. A society I don't necessarily agree with.
Yes I know there was society before Rome, but it was personal. (Also I'm not talking about other Empires, I mean the "barbarian" lands) It wasnt society as in a nation, it was society as in a village of people. For example there was general respect and not this politically correct bullshit. They lived their own lives and not brainwashed towards the glory of one city or the ideals of a few people.
Now, how do you expect letting your government spy on you is a good thing? And whos morality and goodness is this? It's not really yours. They're the governments views, which can change and be enforced, leaving you non-the-wiser. Isn't spying on someone morally incorrect? I'd be pissed off if I found a guy following me around, writing down my every thought every day of my life. I'm sure people get done for this kind of thing.
Do you have total faith in your government? Or do you just find it easier not to make your own mind up? These "laws" change all the time. You probably don't know all of them as well and yet you believe that since "the government" created them they've got to be right and for the good of all. Being a good citizen means nothing when the government is so fickle. As soon as you make one false move your in the shit.
Morality and goodness is completely and utterly based on opinion and therefore never solid. You can't base anything on something that changes over time and yet all of our lives revolve around such things... either against our will or otherwise.
Personally I believe that there either has to be no governments or total control over everyone but not some pathetic attempt at an inbetween. QUICK_EDIT
Yes I know there was society before Rome, but it was personal. (Also I'm not talking about other Empires, I mean the "barbarian" lands) It wasnt society as in a nation, it was society as in a village of people. For example there was general respect and not this politically correct bullshit. They lived their own lives and not brainwashed towards the glory of one city or the ideals of a few people.
I agree on all points!
I believe in a society standing on no laws, only respect.
Pretty hard with 6-7 billion people, that's why I'd just want to leave this place with other respectfull people and go live in a new village...
Still haven't got out anything though, like we'd need to do everything ourself (grow crops, etc.) :/ QUICK_EDIT
Take the old west for example, Wild West as it were. People respected each other, and common law existed with little or no Federal control. People were taken before the town and deemed guilty or innocent, and bullshit like cold blooded murder didn't exist in towns because in the back of your mind, you knew that every other person around you had a gun as well. Live and let live, with little federal control as possible would be an ideal way of living. Honest people seeking honest things would have nothing to fear, and criminals and deviants would answer to the people instead of some slow turning wheel they call the judicial system that exists today. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
mmmm.....I think in the wild west, gangs emerged and it was a power struggle, and the omnipresence of guns meant people were more likely to shoot each other. Not only that, I think a large part of cowboy culture was romanticized and not really reflecting the true nature of things. I think for the most part railroad companies owned HUGE swaths of land and they actually controlled everything. And if you read history books on the matter, the railroad companies didn't ztype around.
The ideal society is only possible if it consist of the ideal people. People who don't commit crimes, have no greed, ambition, or any other attribute that would cause them to seek power over others. But nevertheless, such is impossible, and we must someone create a society that holds people's more negative attributes in check. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject:
Yeah, well, when a strong government isn't present, s*** like the Witch Trials, the Vikings, and the Visigoths happens. Would you rather lose privacy, which is going to happen if the population keeps growing as it is currently, or have lawless gangs roving the land, looting, stealing, and killing. I mean, I don't care either way, I own guns... And, as long as the government don't take 'em(which they are trying to do here.), I'm fine. The Wild West was a good example of true freedom, but not very often in history has a group people functioned as such. When you are talking about massive populations, there has to be government. I mean, okay, so I wouldn't like them to be seeing me f******, and such, but... If their government feels they are dealing with a large group of terrorists trying to blend into their population(which we deal with here), they need to take steps to control the situation. To the terrorists, 'burn 'em as you find 'em' I say!
And, yes, the regular population does agree on the terms of the general good morals, and anyone who doesn't agree should be exiled or executed. And, don't try calling me a bigot, or any stupid crap. Evil should not have rights. If you go over to your neighbors' house, and kill him to take all his stuff, yeah, that's bad, and you should be killed! If you walk up and snatch a lady's purse, you should be caught and beaten. And, if you don't agree, then you've been blinded to truth, and think that everyone should have equal rights period. Basically, break the base morals, and you have forfeited your rights! And, even if you are not Christian, most of the 10 Commandments are the epitome of human morals.
And, in case you don't know, these are the commandments that don't just apply to Christians(Well, in a Christian's mind, they all apply.)
Honor your father and mother
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
These are good words to live by. And, you shall not murder, doesn't mean you can't defend yourself from an attacker, or punish someone for a crime. Murder, is killing someone without moral justification. Basically, you can't just walk up and stab someone, or kill them to take their stuff. QUICK_EDIT
dude, I am christian, but if you know what the Law of God is actually, its just there for you to realize that you and every other human is just as bad as one another, its there for everyone to realize that they are nothing but sinners ever since they were born, nothing more, because God knows you can't follow the law at all ^^
obtw, just by thinking about killing someone, you already murdered him/her, and thinking about someone in a sensual way is adultery already, pirating? stealing and so is taking something by accident, lying? false witness, jealousy of someone? coveting, thinking of jealousy, same thing.
one more thing, we will lose our sanity, privacy, everything, because of the thoughts of people like you Necro. _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
@ NECRO: Jesus your a ztyping retard. (Obviously not literally because an actual handicapped person would be able to reason better than you)
TheNecro wrote:
Yeah, well, when a strong government isn't present, s*** like the Witch Trials, the Vikings, and the Visigoths happens.
No. They happen in the wake of a government.
And what do you mean "the Vikings" and "the Visigoths"?! They were people simply repaying Rome for it's bastardry. Rome set an example of command and conquering, which the Vikings and Visigoths simply used against them and those that rose from the ashes. Don't deal what you can't take.
TheNecro wrote:
If their government feels they are dealing with a large group of terrorists trying to blend into their population(which we deal with here), they need to take steps to control the situation. To the terrorists, 'burn 'em as you find 'em' I say!
Deluded. A perfect example of what governments and religions can do to people.
TheNecro wrote:
good morals
The term "good morals" is questionable at best.
TheNecro wrote:
anyone who doesn't agree should be exiled or executed.
Lol, because people would want to live in a land filled with peoples like yourself?
TheNecro wrote:
Evil should not have rights.
"Evil" doesnt really exist! That's the kind of one sided, closed minded and frankly uneducated views on life that I'm talking about.
The idea of "good" and "evil" is simply a way of controlling people, or making a good work of fiction. We all have our own views on what is right and what is wrong so nobody can decide what ultimately is good/evil because we all can be both in someones eyes. Including yourself and members of government.
TheNecro wrote:
If you go over to your neighbors' house, and kill him to take all his stuff, yeah, that's bad, and you should be killed! If you walk up and snatch a lady's purse, you should be caught and beaten. And, if you don't agree, then you've been blinded to truth, and think that everyone should have equal rights period.
All I can do is cry at how Humanity is bag of old wank.
TheNecro wrote:
Basically, break the base morals, and you have forfeited your rights!
What rights? If they can be revoked at any time by anyone then I dont really have any.
TheNecro wrote:
And, even if you are not Christian, most of the 10 Commandments are the epitome of human morals.
Only because for the last 2000 years most humans on this side of the world have been brought up in some kind of Christian influenced home.
TheNecro wrote:
commandments that don't just apply to Christians
Oh don't they now? If I say they don't apply to me then they don't. You can exile me from the planet, torture or capital punish my arse if you wish. I'd rather keep my freedom until death than submit.
TheNecro wrote:
Honor your father and mother
What if they're murdering, theiving bastards?
TheNecro wrote:
You shall not murder
See, when someone needs to get told not to do this, its bad. What people like yourself seem to forget is we have something called INSTINCT. Something that cannot be taught or messed with, or corrupted.
TheNecro wrote:
These are good words to live by.
Oh yes, I forgot.
TheNecro wrote:
And, you shall not murder, doesn't mean you can't defend yourself from an attacker, or punish someone for a crime.
Of course not, because if it did your government and your beliefs would crumble. Nobody but you is allowed to take a life! QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:24 am Post subject:
To tell the truth this "terrorist hunting" is way too similar to "witch hunts". I wonder what's next, false accusations of terrorism and get killed for that?, after all in such a paranoid world nothing is going to stop a bad intended person to accuse you of terrorism, just because he doesn't like you; probably you won't be found guilty of terrorism, but that's not going to stop the government to make you pass a bad time, probably in jail.
If you find that as unrealistic, this already happens with accusations of pedophilia, people get their lives ruined just because of someone making a "mistake".
The point is, we still need a government, however what we must do, and it's our duty as the most important part of a democratic system, is to regulate the government, after all we choose it. And that's the most troubling issue in our current world, people don't realize they have the choice, that they have the power. Instead, they are treated like sheep, following the most populist candidate/party, which is just a shame.
Also, sorry if this doesn't make too much sense, as I didn't proof read this post, since I should be studying, well back to Analytic Chemistry... ugh. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:14 am Post subject:
TheNecro wrote:
Yeah, well, when a strong government isn't present, s*** like the Witch Trials, the Vikings, and the Visigoths happens. Would you rather lose privacy, which is going to happen if the population keeps growing as it is currently, or have lawless gangs roving the land, looting, stealing, and killing. I mean, I don't care either way, I own guns... And, as long as the government don't take 'em(which they are trying to do here.), I'm fine. The Wild West was a good example of true freedom, but not very often in history has a group people functioned as such. When you are talking about massive populations, there has to be government. I mean, okay, so I wouldn't like them to be seeing me f******, and such, but... If their government feels they are dealing with a large group of terrorists trying to blend into their population(which we deal with here), they need to take steps to control the situation. To the terrorists, 'burn 'em as you find 'em' I say!
And, yes, the regular population does agree on the terms of the general good morals, and anyone who doesn't agree should be exiled or executed. And, don't try calling me a bigot, or any stupid crap. Evil should not have rights. If you go over to your neighbors' house, and kill him to take all his stuff, yeah, that's bad, and you should be killed! If you walk up and snatch a lady's purse, you should be caught and beaten. And, if you don't agree, then you've been blinded to truth, and think that everyone should have equal rights period. Basically, break the base morals, and you have forfeited your rights! And, even if you are not Christian, most of the 10 Commandments are the epitome of human morals.
And, in case you don't know, these are the commandments that don't just apply to Christians(Well, in a Christian's mind, they all apply.)
Honor your father and mother
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
These are good words to live by. And, you shall not murder, doesn't mean you can't defend yourself from an attacker, or punish someone for a crime. Murder, is killing someone without moral justification. Basically, you can't just walk up and stab someone, or kill them to take their stuff.
1)Gangs roving the land. Mkay, and they didn't come out earlier... why? More people doesn't mean that ammount of douchebags grow, but the ammount of sane people as well.
2)Morals differ from culture to culture. Common sense, usually doesn't.
3)Those who don't agree may have a point. Too bad they all got killed.
4)Welcome to 21st century where mass execution is a thing of the past in civilized countries. Although, you gotta agree, make it into buisness and they money will flow in endlessly!
5)Christians don't rule the world. Religion is not supposed to rule the world. People rule the world.
6)You owe me 5 bucks. Not a murder I SAY! _________________ DUNK! QUICK_EDIT
omega and mac make a good point, history really does repeat itself, just in a more retarded and stupid manner... it'll be like city 17 from HL2....except that you can't form a resistance group.... _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:10 am Post subject:
Omega, Jeffrey Dahmer was an evil man, who did evil things to people. If you don't agree that he was evil and should have been punished, then you are a moron and would make a very good criminal defense attorney, or democrat.
The bottom line is this... Whatever my beliefs about government are, you cannot dissolve away the base facts of life! The world is full of the wicked, and the unjust. The evil seethes beneath a global society of people who are dead to the world! Who think that things like good and evil, or crime and punishment are a delusion. But, they are the reason the deluded and corroded mindset that makes criminals have the chance to rise exists. Punishment for crimes and stupidity have gone extinct.
And, also, I'm really getting tired of idiots on this forum flaming me and calling me retarded and stupid for making a statement. You have a closed mindset and I feel that you have broken the rules of the forum by flaming me in such a manner because I have a different view... Unless, of course you don't believe in the rules of the forum! Does that not exist either?
And, thank you to Gufu and Machine, who responded and not flamed. I wasn't talking about mass execution. Just punishment of crimes, I'm tired of seeing people get off scott free, because of legal technicalities. I mean, the courts here in America suck sometimes! Ya know? Someone in my family did something that should put them on the sex offenders list(not to me, I was 21 at the time, I would have kicked his ass ), and I'm not going into details, but he got away with it. Even though his wife and their two children were witness to what happened! I would just like to see more justice, whatever it takes. The world sucks, and I would rather lose a little sleep, or even be tortured, than to see a criminal get away with something. Ya know? You, Omega, have obviously lead a sheltered, cushy life, and have not seen how hard life can get. That, or you're a kid... Don't know. Don't care. QUICK_EDIT
"Evil" doesnt really exist! That's the kind of one sided, closed minded and frankly uneducated views on life that I'm talking about.
The idea of "good" and "evil" is simply a way of controlling people, or making a good work of fiction.
We all have our own views on what is right and what is wrong so nobody can decide what ultimately is good/evil because we all can be both in someones eyes.
Including yourself and members of government.
Anyway, I'm not going to get mixed up in this... QUICK_EDIT
Omega, Jeffrey Dahmer was an evil man, who did evil things to people. If you don't agree that he was evil and should have been punished, then you are a moron and would make a very good criminal defense attorney, or democrat.
Nope, not evil because it doesnt exist... whatever lead him to do what he did would have been biological or psychosomatic.
I don't believe in lawsuits. They're pathetic.
TheNecro wrote:
The bottom line is this... Whatever my beliefs about government are, you cannot dissolve away the base facts of life! The world is full of the wicked, and the unjust. The evil seethes beneath a global society of people who are dead to the world!
I've already replied to the above. There's not a lot to say.
TheNecro wrote:
But, they are the reason the deluded and corroded mindset that makes criminals have the chance to rise exists.
Who are these "criminals" yet to be convincted? Your talking like "criminals" are a different species. Hmm in fact maybe that's your... "problem". You cant face that your beliefs in evil come from the same type of people. In the right circumstances you would commit a crime just as they did.
TheNecro wrote:
broken the rules of the forum by flaming me in such a manner because I have a different view... Unless, of course you don't believe in the rules of the forum! Does that not exist either?
I don't know, I never read them. Talk to Banshee, see that justice is brought home.
TheNecro wrote:
You, Omega, have obviously lead a sheltered, cushy life, and have not seen how hard life can get. That, or you're a kid... Don't know. Don't care.
Or your incredibly bitter.
"Sheltered" can go both ways. You can either believe everyone will be nice to you and is a wonderful place, or you can believe everyone is evil and out to get you (which is probably cause of the "sheltering" in the first place). QUICK_EDIT
Honor your father and mother
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
1: No. Why should I do what other people tell me to do/think? That's udermining the foundation of democracy.
2:what about Hitler or Stalin or the guy pointing the gun at the innocent child's head?
3: No! It's not illegal, I shall do as I please.
4: *ding* You should hate the government, taxes are technically stealing
5: Why not? Who wrote these damned things?!?!
6: What about if she's freaking beautiful? Am I supposed to ignore her or something?
7: What about if a stack of gold bars with a fountain that spews money and a serum that grants eternal life? Am I allowed to covet that if it belongs to my neighbour?
And a sheltered life leads to nutty views like this. I admit to not being perfect, I know how joe average can do this stuff, all sorts of people have done this stuff, it's a matter of the situation. Are you telling me if your neighbour had the aforementioned elixer of life and money fountain you wouldn't want it? Are you telling me you wouldn't steal some rich guys wallet if you were starving and unemployed about to be kicked out of your home? _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject:
Because, I am a Christian, no, I would not do those things, and if I slip I pray for forgiveness... WTF!? I'm not arguing my personal religious views! I'm arguing good ol' fashion morals. If you don't think that good and evil, and morals exist, then I feel bad for you. Because one day, you are going to hit society in the face, and she's going to hit back real hard!
Basically, if you steal something from somebody, there is going to be someone out there who is going to want to find you. If you kill somebody, there is someone out there who would want to bring harm to you for it. Doesn't it sound like using good morals, and trying to avoid doing those things, would make a few less people hate you at least?
If not, I feel sorry for the lot of you young 'uns and the world. Just nobody in the world wants to take responsibility for their own actions. 'I couldn't help it, it's the situation I'm in that caused me to steal!' Never! You can better yourself and get a damn job! 'I stabbed him twice in the ribs because he called me an SOB!' No! You chose to do that, because you didn't make a better choice! You didn't have to stab that guy. You could have ignored him and went on with your day! QUICK_EDIT
Someone who had some brain and moral and didn't go all "boohoo society sucks...lets steal from and kill everyone!" Someone who wanted to set norms for how the future generations should live. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I'm not saying morals dont exist, im saying there isnt a concrete list of morals that apply the world around.
TheNecro wrote:
'I couldn't help it, it's the situation I'm in that caused me to steal!' Never! You can better yourself and get a damn job!
In the western world sure. Not everywhere theres just "jobs" going which give enough money to buy enough food to survive.
TheNecro wrote:
'I stabbed him twice in the ribs because he called me an SOB!' No! You chose to do that, because you didn't make a better choice! You didn't have to stab that guy. You could have ignored him and went on with your day!
That's just someone with a serious attitude problem... QUICK_EDIT
i would suggest you necro, to watch k-pax, there's a nice example of your good and evil.
there was an answer to that question to "what would you do if somebodie does something bad...or kill someone" the other one answered "my my...we don't need a police...or some higher presence because every creature in the universe knows to tell right from wrong, you and your eye for an eye ideology, it's well known for it's idiotism"
simply said it should be that way, if it's not you have to endure it, otherwise you would cataclyst an even more sad situation, if not for you for others, when not for others then only for the person you have treated.
even your treligion says if someone slaps your face you give him the other side to slap for too, yet you missunderstand and use your religious "good v.s. evil" word to tell us what everyone should do, you know ...people like you invented in china a "mobile execution truck unit" - yes it is exsisting and it's a realy scary thought.
yes people do wrong things, people do awful things and might have to be punished, but the oldest and the famoust speeches like that bible phrase i mentioned or...take this for example "don't judge a book by the cover" likewise having us all under suspiction as terrorists will put us all in a cage where we're unsatisfied with, and probably even more will do wrongs.
You with your "uber american" (no offense to america at this point) sight of views stuck in the prehistoric ages.
there is no utopia you can ever archieve, with losses of freedom, freeness, and practically invisible chains around your hands there is only a dystopian prison possible.
people are no animals to tame, and if you see it so, you've aready become a tamed animal, and you know what they do with tamed animals?
they show it to the public doing it his tricks they learned from the circus direction before they put you back into your cage, with time sheduled food, limited room, surveilance, and control whereever you go, rest, or they drag you, slave. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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You are Terrorist
I wasn't talking about 
), and I'm not going into details, but he got away with it. Even though his wife and their two children were witness to what happened! I would just like to see more justice, whatever it takes. The world sucks, and I would rather lose a little sleep, or even be tortured, than to see a criminal get away with something. Ya know? You, Omega, have obviously lead a sheltered, cushy life, and have not seen how hard life can get. That, or you're a kid... Don't know. Don't care.
Talk to Banshee, see that justice is brought home.
