Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject:
Update #10!
Meh, just a small update. Two new units are up and running for the new faction Infos below:
*Slayer Combat Tank*
This small tank is weaker than all of the other MBTs, but don't underestimate it. It is fast and armed with a fast firing 75mm main gun. Alone, it is useless. But when in large battalions, it is unstoppable. It's weakness is poor armor and no aa defense (like all MBTs).
(Original voxel by: Westwood (the light tank), modification and cameo by me)
*Buffalo Carriage*
This old cargo truck have been cleverly converted into a MLRS. It is armed with a simple machine gun that it uses when in mobile mode and utilizes home-made "Arrow" missiles when deployed. It is great at demolishing buildings and striking the enemy from a distance but weak armor and slow speed is what makes it useless sometimes...
(Voxel and cameo by me)
Also some changes: technical can carry three infantries who can fire out, Combat ATV voxel has been changed to the tiny one (cuz I'm using a resized infantry pack).
Updates soon (Why aren't there any comments? Hmm...)
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Find a different name, it's just a tad...odd. According to all the cospiracy shiz illuminati=evil so illuminati of peace is like jewish baby killing nazis for racial harmony Called juxtaposition, combining to conflicting ideas/images. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:34 am Post subject:
The symbol looks like its from an anime. Looks familiar to me.... _________________
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Find a different name, it's just a tad...odd. According to all the cospiracy shiz illuminati=evil so illuminati of peace is like jewish baby killing nazis for racial harmony Called juxtaposition, combining to conflicting ideas/images.
AltomareXD wrote:
Nah. He won't listen. That's what I said to him about the mod name.
I've just checked Wikipedia about the meaning of "Illuminati" and it's meaning is just what I had in mind for the Illuminati of Peace. Basically, the Illuminati of Peace is already pissed off with the war and they believe that countries being Allied nations will suffer terribly in hardship, communism won't solve a thing and a world ruled by a psychic, mind-controlling freak show (sorry about that Altomare) is just ridicules. So they decided that the world will be at peace if THEY and all the innocent citizens of the world rule the world THEIR way. So they plan on NWO. No Allied alliance, no communism and no greedy , arrogant psychic jerk (again, sorry Altomare) ruling the world This is a GOOD reason why I ain't changing "Illuminati of Peace" to some other name
Lexa wrote:
The symbol looks like its from an anime. Looks familiar to me....
Really? I didn't noticed that when I was making it. _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
Well, it looks like you got that name from a certain movie just released starring a character with lame hair. It's a good idea to listen to others once in a while. They know what's good. QUICK_EDIT
The Illuminati are a supposed organisation that works for world domination, their supposed members are supposedly leading businessmen and politicans. They supposedly cogregate and manipulate the media and politicians n order to ensure complete control and to remain unknown. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
3 things wrong with that article:
1: It used religion as a basis for it;s arguement, never good
2: It claimed several start-points for WWIII that we now know didn't happen.
3: It didn't mention the pulled box art for RA2 with a paradrop plane flying towards the twin towers. Therefore it's BS. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
3 things wrong with that article:
1: It used religion as a basis for it;s arguement, never good.
Why isnt it good. Is it cus your atheist and think religion is stupid. All its trying to do is show the bible warned about this kind of shit. And when it goes on about demons which does have something to do with religion, its because the illuminati
are suppose to worship Lucifer, when its more like the Trinity actually.
Lt Albrecht wrote:
2: It claimed several start-points for WWIII that we now know didn't happen.
The several start-points
*Wars — World War III will be comprised of three wars:
*Middle East with Iraq attack the likely trigger. Could China come to the aid of Iraq by triggering wars elsewhere? (nah)
*Korean Peninsula, as North Korea attacks the South with unconventional weapons and China takes her side, causing a Cuban Missile type crisis. (hmmmm...)
*China invades Taiwan (probebly wont happen)
*Terrorist Attacks in Cities (more than likely to happen again, if it happens on these dates 9,11,09 or 29,11,09 you'll know its the illuminati, you know what their like with their numbers
e.g.
part 1
1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb has 11 letters. (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993)
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.
part 2
1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6 + 5 = 11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 =11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.
part3
1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254.
2 + 5 + 4 = 11
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.
(Oh and dont forget geometry, see they have a connection with masons, geometry is the reason the pentagon got attack and not the white house )
*Unprecedented earthquakes (not going to say anything here, you know it can happen)
*Economic Collapse (where have you been all this time) heres a good quote for ya "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office."
--George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008 (ya bush is funny, but serious too)
*Supernatural scenes from the heavenlies (time will tell )
Lt Albrecht wrote:
It didn't mention the pulled box art for RA2 with a paradrop plane flying towards the twin towers. Therefore it's BS.
Oh ha ha ha, your very funny and thats a very good point!
No actually your not funny, nor is it a good point. just in case you get full of yourself .
More to the point, its not all BS. Some of it is, other parts arent or have half truth in them. Its not that I believe in all this conspiracy stuff, its just interesting. Its like a jigsaw puzzle, its funny how all these things all connect. QUICK_EDIT
Theres been more discussion on the conspiracy theory then the actual mod, which currently shows people interest on the subject I'm afraid to say _________________ QUICK_EDIT
When I learnt about that illuminati game...it sent chills down my spine It was all TOO satanic! Yeah may be I would use some of those tactics I learnt from that game for my new faction But that game is just TOTAL BS!!! I will stand strong with my religion and as a Muslim! Those satanic things, such as a figure of a demon's face in the smoke during 9/11, is just a means to scare us all that the D will bring doom to us all. But ONLY God can destroy the world, not Satan. Seriously, that game is a bunch of crap. All the bad things that happen around us, IS God's will, not Satan's. I think I've said enough already, I apologize if what I said was sensitive to anyone here.
Okay, to keep things short about the whole conspiracy stuff - they're just crap ideas. Nuff said. _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:
Update #12!
Just made a new unit for the Illuminati of Peace that completes the faction's ground armor force Heres the info of the new unit:
*Minerva*
It seems the Soviets are not the ONLY one who love big tanks. Here is the Illuminati of Peace's closest attempt to make a tank equal to the Apocalypse - the Minerva. This tank is weaker than the Apocalypse (it has a disadvantage of having a fixed turret, meaning it must face the target to attack) but it does have the advantage of being faster. It is only armed with two 105mm cannons as opposed to the Apocalypse's two 120mm cannons. Be careful when using it as it is slow (in both speed and attack) and is vulnerable to aircrafts.
(Voxel and cameo by me)
Other changes: Technical is now a simple transporter; infantries CANNOT fire out from it. Buffalo Carriage is now Buffalo Transport, no deploy mode and it can transport six infantries who can fire out from it.
The Illuminati of Peace now needs:
airforce
navy
infantry
buildings
SWs
Hopefully those can be sorted out...updates to come
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject:
Sorry, but these voxels look terrible, normals and colours. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject:
And actually the whole combination doesn't fit too, if you get what I mean...They have some strange grey color (although that truck has horrible red thingies on its sides), and they seem to be a combination of anything that you can think of. A Technical from the GLA, terrorists, a Battle Fortress with even more space, some heavy tanks like the Soviets, etc. My point is, that's not a true faction, it's maybe some resistance force you encounter in the campaign, but not a faction (or so do I think). Like the civilian resistance force in C&C Renegade. And indeed, some of those voxels look really crappy too.
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And actually the whole combination doesn't fit too, if you get what I mean...They have some strange grey color (although that truck has horrible red thingies on its sides), and they seem to be a combination of anything that you can think of. A Technical from the GLA, terrorists, a Battle Fortress with even more space, some heavy tanks like the Soviets, etc. My point is, that's not a true faction, it's maybe some resistance force you encounter in the campaign, but not a faction (or so do I think). Like the civilian resistance force in C&C Renegade. And indeed, some of those voxels look really crappy too.
Yeah, maybe I started off on the wrong foot (Dammit! >_<) with this new faction Apparently, the Illuminati of Peace IS a resistance force (hence, the low-teched nature of the faction (e.i Technicals, no power plants, etc...)). Yup, Illuminati of Peace doesn't sound right and DOESN'T fit in too well ("illuminati" sounds too "satanic" ). Well, back to the drawing board I need a new faction name, some code changes (Buffalo Transport will not be a battle fortress, though it makes sense that people can fire out from a cargo truck...), the works. And yeah, some (or all) of the voxels need reworks (so which ones look TOO crappy? I'll sort those out ) I may need help (voxelers anyone?)
Oh and can the faction logo stay? Oh need my speed, the grey is my closest attempt of steel armor plating and why not a resistance force as a playable faction? Well, y'all can't expect a perfect kickass mod from me or from anyone else (that INCLUDES iLoo and Javier ) cuz no one IS perfect. I'll try my best at least
AltomareXD wrote:
He doesn't listen.
I'm taking THE criticisms. I'm not a stubborn ass. _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
Ok, good to see you're listenng, personally I think you have to decide on your factions strengths and weaknesses, and their philosiphies and tech. Are they a hit n' run faction, a frontal attack spam faction, are they sneaky? Once you've decided strengths, decide weaknesses to balance them out.
Pitfalls to aviod:
#1 Rebels without (or with a bad) cause: They have to be motivated, saying they dislike the russian's preferred type of vodka isn't sufficient. Also avoid the whole civillians strike back thing, it's quite bad TBH. Make sure they have a robust ideology. The Allies have democracy and belief in equality and freedom, the soviets have their goal of a global communist superstate. Even if ther cause is misguided make sure your faction has a drive or it'll seem washed out and "fake".
#2 Because I want too: Avoid just adding stuff because you feel like it, the sde may need a tank, but don't add a tank just because you feel like it, make sure it fits with the faction's other units and their overallstrategy. Avoid the Javier-like tendencey to add 34575688358694794 units that won't get used or that imbalance the game, like soviet attack bikes.
Now to rip the shit into some conspiracy crap
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The several start-points
*Wars — World War III will be comprised of three wars:
*Middle East with Iraq attack the likely trigger. Could China come to the aid of Iraq by triggering wars elsewhere? (nah)
*Korean Peninsula, as North Korea attacks the South with unconventional weapons and China takes her side, causing a Cuban Missile type crisis. (hmmmm...)
*China invades Taiwan (probebly wont happen)
*Terrorist Attacks in Cities (more than likely to happen again, if it happens on these dates 9,11,09 or 29,11,09 you'll know its the illuminati, you know what their like with their numbers
e.g.
part 1
1) New York City has 11 letters
2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.
3) Ramsin Yuseb has 11 letters. (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993)
4) George W Bush has 11 letters.
part 2
1) New York is the 11th state.
2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.
3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11
4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6 + 5 = 11
5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 =11
6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.
part3
1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254.
2 + 5 + 4 = 11
2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.
3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.
4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident.
(Oh and dont forget geometry, see they have a connection with masons, geometry is the reason the pentagon got attack and not the white house )
Look for patterns and you will find them everywhere, watch 23. You are looking for and finding patterns. It's probability,my age after my birthday this summer will be 17, 1+7=8, my last name has 8 letters in it, my favourite game disk (TFD) contains 8 factions, my old security question for an email account had the answer of 88mm, 2 8s.
You can pull this stuff out of your ass if you try.
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It didn't mention the pulled box art for RA2 with a paradrop plane flying towards the twin towers.
So somehow your all-controlling organisation monopolises all media but video games? Yeah right.
Video games are the new film, they are still fresh and there is plenty of leeway to slip in ideas and suggestions. Forget not believing everything you read, it's time to stop believing what you play.
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*Korean Peninsula, as North Korea attacks the South with unconventional weapons and China takes her side, causing a Cuban Missile type crisis. (hmmmm...)
YEAH RIGHT, and Teddy Rosevelt, Winston Churchill, Joseph Stalin, Hitler and Emperor Hirohito will rise from their graves and have an all-out brawl on the whitehouse lawn to decide once and for all the true winner of WWII.
China wouldn't support North Korea in a situation like that, ATM they shore them up to ensure regional stability, but were it to come to crunch time beiging would turn a blind eyeto US intervention as long as it didn't stay and shoot off firey rhetoric at the worst, or join in and roll the tanks at best. China has too much to gain by trading with the west, it doesn't want to obliterate us, it wants our wealth.
Freedom fighter wrote:
ONLY God can destroy the world
The world is indestructible? Sweet! (sorry, just tring to point out that scientifically speaking it is possible to destroy the world without a divine being, and therefore it isn't just god, it's the guy who has all the drills and nukes and money and loyal minions and stuff who can destroy the world). _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
I'll take the advice though I may need help with the so-called crap voxels.
About the whole conspiracy crap, don't worry, I don't take that shit
Oh and,
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The world is indestructible? Sweet! (sorry, just tring to point out that scientifically speaking it is possible to destroy the world without a divine being, and therefore it isn't just god, it's the guy who has all the drills and nukes and money and loyal minions and stuff who can destroy the world).
Well, whatever happens IS God's will. God can destroy the world, but through the use of human actions.E.g Its like, not trying to sound insulting, God is a tank and and the powerful dictators, presidents and terrorist leaders is the cannon shell that will destroy the target (earth).
As long as we remain good and peaceful, God will not try to wreak havoc on the world until Judgment Day. _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
Your a christian?, thats a first over here. Ive got the impression most people here are athiest or just don't give a shite.
EDIT: So when a massive asteroid storm hits us or a heat wave from the sun incinerates the surface, its God. In that case I don't like god, WTF is his/hers/its problem?
Anyways some of the voxel designs are good like the armoured trucks and such. Gives me an idea too, buhahahaha.
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject:
Ah...So, my theory is true then? That we THINK we are in control of our own actions, but actually someone else controls us all, like lego! But whatever...I don't believe in god, so...
Albrecht totally said what I ment. Civilians can't fight against powerfull, world (or aleast half or a quarter of it) controlling armies. Try it. Can you alone fight for control of the country, province, or even city you live in? No, of coruse not, you'll be arrested (killed ) and fail.
What's their goal by the way, they're powerfull businessmen that want no war. They're not even involved in the war (apart from maybe economic loses or gains), but ok, I as a civilian also wouldn't want war in my country. So...Businessmen mysteriously acquire tanks and such, and are able to form an alliance all over the world with various powerfull businesses. Who all have tanks and such...And then, they can fight against professional armies, because they want no war. They're fighting, because they don't want a fight. Total logic! And by the way, the name could stay, but not for a bussinesmen alliance. But overall, the name is a bit bad.
Now, grey is (maybe) a viable color scheme, but not that grey. The Allies have a good grey, but that's already used. The Soviets have more rusty, brown / grey colors, while Yuri uses also a different shade of brown. So, these colro schemes are all brown or grey, with various shades of it. GDI, uses brown shades. Nod, grey / black shades, and in the first game white. GLA, brown / yellow color scheme (but yellow doesn't look too good in RA2 / YR). China, grey. USA, grey. See, all brown / grey schemes. Yes, Scrin is purple. Which isn't possible in RA2.
Well, all units look bad to be honest, only the Technical looks good, with recoloring.
Look for patterns and you will find them everywhere, watch 23. You are looking for and finding patterns. It's probability,my age after my birthday this summer will be 17, 1+7=8, my last name has 8 letters in it, my favourite game disk (TFD) contains 8 factions, my old security question for an email account had the answer of 88mm, 2 8s.
You can pull this stuff out of your ass if you try.
See this is why you shouldnt have an opinion because you know f**k all about the illuminati, well the basics, ill give you a little bit of credit. See you dont know what those numbers mean, the illuminati have meanings for them that relate to the event. See if you learnt about the masons and illminati cus they both connect (their the same really) you would know what they mean. And theres more than just numbers, theres geometry, accent biblical stoires and etc. Like take this masonic image, whats it meaning? Do you know? It has numbers (well you have to count) and they mean something, then it has geometry and it has a story to it. Its something you cant just pull out your ass.
Futher more instead of filling this thread with conspiracy stuff ill make my own thread sometime. Its not that I want to convert you all to conspiracy nuts by making the thread, itll just be something for you to think about and reliese its not all bullshit, but really you should make fair judgement(and not be baised like most of ye are), cus I know theres bullshit out there, its all trown in to confuse ye. Your coming up with concluesions a little bit early.
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Look for patterns and you will find them everywhere, watch 23. You are looking for and finding patterns. It's probability,my age after my birthday this summer will be 17, 1+7=8, my last name has 8 letters in it, my favourite game disk (TFD) contains 8 factions, my old security question for an email account had the answer of 88mm, 2 8s.
You can pull this stuff out of your ass if you try.
See this is why you shouldnt have an opinion because you know f**k all about the illuminati, well the basics, ill give you a little bit of credit. See you dont know what those numbers mean, the illuminati have meanings for them that relate to the event. See if you learnt about the masons and illminati cus they both connect (their the same really) you would know what they mean. And theres more than just numbers, theres geometry, accent biblical stoires and etc. Like take this masonic image, whats it meaning? Do you know? It has numbers (well you have to count) and they mean something, then it has geometry and it has a story to it. Its something you cant just pull out your ass.
Futher more instead of filling this thread with conspiracy stuff ill make my own thread sometime. Its not that I want to convert you all to conspiracy nuts by making the thread, itll just be something for you to think about and reliese its not all bullshit, but really you should make fair judgement(and not be baised like most of ye are), cus I know theres bullshit out there, its all trown in to confuse ye. Your coming up with concluesions a little bit early.
It's not all BS, they do have meetings of influential businessmen and politicians, yes they all help each other out and do favours. No they don't control the world, the ignorant masses do that through voting and their random whims, you can influence them but you can't control them, even the nazis only ever got the population to be outwardly compliant, most people never belived nazi ideology.
Yes, the freemasons/illuminati are supposed to secretly control the world and work towards the summoning of the antichrist etc etc. But you can't use biblical references as a support, the bible is full of random crap, like the forbidding of eating seafood or the bit about stoning adulterers and gays to death, but also forbidding killing. And the whole let he who have understanding reckon the number of the beast. NUMBER ONE, the number is 616, NUMBER TWO it is anti-roman propaganda NUMBER THREE it is a reference to emperor Nero. Three strikes, it's out. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Couldn't the conspiracy theories just be a consipiracy theory by the so call conspirators in order for you to have fanastic ideas about stuff which is far away from the truth?
The only true conspiracy is why we have idiots on PPM. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
That's a conspiracy between the moderators, you can see it! It's why they've all disappeared! They all go to secret evel "moderatorstryingtokillppm" meetings! It's in the bible too! [generic reference to conspiracies].
OBTW, iloo is the antichrist XD _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
was abit harsh and I apologise, but you didnt finish it.
Lt Albrecht wrote:
No they don't control the world
"The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything."
--Nelson Rockefeller
"I want to own nothing and control everything"
--J D Rockefeller I
^
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean
conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
--Larry P. McDonald, US Congressman, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so
watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
--Woodrow Wilson, from his book The New Freedom (1913)
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
--Felix Frankfurter, Supreme Court Justice
"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
--Benjamin Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation
"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ... The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply."
--Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild (1777-1836)
"The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover
of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The
little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties."
--New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922
"It's not the votes that count, it's who counts the votes."
-- Josef Stalin
I agree with you is the ignorant part, ''you can influence'' true, the EU does not take no for an answer i.e. Lisbon treatry. It show people have no freedom of choice, its like this bad things will
happen till you say yes i.e. recession gets worst. See they can create the problem and have the solution (another i.e.) 9/11, afterwards patriot act, more of peoples freedoms gone! This is how the
nazis roll, create the fear, a threat.
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?
Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the
policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger."
-- Leading Nazi leader, Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials before he was sentenced to death
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
--David Rockefeller
"The Persian Gulf crisis is a rare opportunity to forge new bonds with old enemies (the Soviet Union)...Out of these troubled times a New World Order can emerge under a United Nations
that performs as envisioned by its founders."
--President George Bush, September 11, 1990.
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of
purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Maos leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history."
--David Rockefeller, statement in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73)
“"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from
beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing
every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world
government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
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Lt Albrecht wrote:
But you can't use biblical references as a support, the bible is full of random crap...And the whole let he who have understanding reckon the number of the beast. NUMBER ONE, the number is 616, NUMBER TWO it is anti-roman propaganda NUMBER THREE it is a reference to emperor Nero. Three strikes, it's out.
I meant the kabbalah and the revalations, If you put the kabbalah tree of life over that masonic image that a clue, to understanding it. The numbers I was talking are numbers 3, 7, 9,11,13, 33,
39... Any multiple of these numbers have special meaning to the Illuminati. Check this and this.
Now for the 9/11 bit and connections to the kabbalah, and so on check this, then
this and then this
watch the whole series its interesting, and ignore the muslim bits seeing that your atheist, you might learn something more about their culture.
decide for yourself I dont care.
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Allied General wrote:
Theres been more discussion on the conspiracy theory then the actual mod, which currently shows people interest on the subject I'm afraid to say
I would create my own thread, but...
vefbl4 wrote:
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Im finishing up here if you want to continue this with me, PM me then, It could go on forever... Seriously! QUICK_EDIT
You see, your quotes can be seen in that context to mean one thing, or in different contexts to mean another. That's the marvel of quotes, they can be switched, change and used to proove almost anything.
For instance Mr Rothschild is there simply referring to the fact the British Empire was an economy, and he who controlled the money had leverage over the crown and parliament.
Rockerfeller was a rampant industrailist and a control freak, he was also referring to the fact owning something infers cost, responsibility and liability on the owner, and not always control.
Bush stepped in every verbal pitfall he could, even some he had to dig himself.
Some of those will be exagerrations, metaphors tec. But there'll be a grain of truth in the sea of paranoia. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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