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You can't put a whole game in a single movie; this has failed many time before. You can do like something from a Renegade mission, or multiple missions, but not much more... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:03 am Post subject:
Please, before Uwe Boll arrives, or whateevr his name is, it's not worth remembering anyway.
Seriously, it would be cool, but as Dutchy said, pretty impossible to make it good. _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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You could have TD as a Trilogy LOTR style, it'd take a lot of work and would piss off many people if it were done badly. Basically it's a bad idea when it comes down to it. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
When were video game movies ever good? Jesus Christ. Don't suggest to Hollywood more ideas for cheap cash ins. They already rip off the Asian films, put white actors in them and package that shit as new. Remakes are around all the time, and if it isn't Asian films its old films and TV shows, zero talent and all of the goddamn writers are brain dead, and now you want them to degrade bad video games into even WORSE movies?
...Never mind. I'm a few years behind. Writers don't exist anymore.
As for C&C? Comparing it to Metal Gear is appalling to say the least. C&C can't even come close to Metal Gear as far as storyline, and has NO memorable characters aside from Kane, and my God is Kane cheesy. QUICK_EDIT
Jeezus, I can see how many critics would flame the movie like hell when they see a tank firin' a shell at this lone soldier and voila, he survives, and takes out the tank with his missile launcher _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
I mean, the perfect excuse is, the tank missed and hit the ground infront of him XD _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
As for C&C? Comparing it to Metal Gear is appalling to say the least. C&C can't even come close to Metal Gear as far as storyline, and has NO memorable characters aside from Kane, and my God is Kane cheesy.
If WW made C&C as Metal Gear it should have a namechange.
Snore-through-cutscenes & Fruitlessly-hit-the-ESC-key... Or S&F. QUICK_EDIT
The cutscenes in MGS4 make it feel like the longest game in the world...though the game is still awesome itself _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
The cutscenes in MGS4 make it feel like the longest game in the world...though the game is still awesome itself
I think that record goes to Baldur's Gate 2 with expansion packs and all. I've heard stories of 400 hours with the mainquest and the sidequests. QUICK_EDIT
C&C should be a show (and a few movies)... Like Stargate
Volgin wrote:
When were video game movies ever good?
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There are good video game movies... The Resident Evil movies were quite good, so were the Tomb Raider movies and Hitman and Max Payne, Doom was alright and Mortal Kombat wasn't that bad either.
Volgin wrote:
As for C&C? Comparing it to Metal Gear is appalling to say the least. C&C can't even come close to Metal Gear as far as storyline, and has NO memorable characters aside from Kane, and my God is Kane cheesy.
Westwood just didn't get the chance to reveal enough about the story before they handed over their work to EA... And I agree, the way EA tells the story often makes it feel very cheesy (to me anyway). Same goes for Kane... IMO he's got an a lot cheesier attitude to him than he did before EA took over.
As for memorable characters aside from Kane... Well, considering the C&C story actually stretches over multiple millennia and Kane is the only character in the C&C story who's been alive for that long, it's not that strange no other character is (as) memorable as him.
But if characters who are no longer alive also count, Einstein would certainly be memorable and so would Tesla and Mobius be, to some extend... CABAL of course can't be forgotten and maybe one or more of the Scrin rebels are even still alive.
C&C is actually quite deep if you bother to look into it... Here's some pre-firestorm examples I can think of from the top of my head right now:
First off of course how Einstein created the C&C universe by traveling back in time to kill Hitler (in order to prevent WWII from happening)
The most significant differences from our universe at the very beginning of the C&C timeline; like many scientific researches being more successful (like the Philadelphia experiment being a success) and certain discoveries being made a lot earlier
There's Kane's actual origin and him founding The Brotherhood of Nod (which is probably something that'd be revealed in some very final prequel movie)
Nod's deeds before anyone knew of their existence and how (and possibly eventually also why) they've manipulated the society for over two millenia
The Scrin's story before they arrived on Earth
The Scrin rebels' story (them fighting the Scrin rulers and eventually stealing the Tacitus and fleeing to Earth with it)
Tesla (attempting to communicate) with aliens through his technology, which lead the Scrin rebels to Earth
What happens to the Scrin rebels after they crash the Earth, how the Tacitus is found, etc.
After this there'd of course be the case of CABAL's "mind" getting corrupted by the tacitus, the arrival of the scrin, the resurrection of CABAL, The Forgotten joining the fight against the Scrin and however the story ends (maybe CABAL and the Scrin are both forced to leave earth, only to fight an endless war with eachother some place else? or -of course- they just die... or not ).
I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture... I think that even when all campaign missions would be mainly left out, there'd still be enough material to work with for a show that'd lasts multiple seasons.
And just to be sure the writers wouldn't completely mess up the (originally intended) story, the original writers (that worked on TD, RA and TS) could be hired
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If one was to make a film of C&C (any of them), then I'd prefer the story not to centred around the campaign - I've played the campaign, that story is already there.
If it was me than I would make the story centred around another event in the story.
So the film could be about the Mutants, interwoven with the TS story, beginning with Tratos being rescued, and maybe ending with the destruction of the Nod mutant prison.
You could throw in references to Vega and his drug trade, reference to Nod's experiments and facilities, even go into full detail as to what Nod is...
I'm just throwing out ideas, but a look into the surrounding story and backstory of the C&Cs would be more interesting, and would serve to explain wtf was really going on. QUICK_EDIT
i think that it could be a good idea but:
-it would be better to be a serie first you cant put the whole game in a movie
- if hollywood wants to, they would do a great movie but they dont want to, they just want cash so if they do the movie it would be like hitman, with many changes and a great deception 4 any hitman fan, that would happen with a tibsun movie _________________ Did you know that if you have 2 apples and you eat 3 you get an IE and all the universe explodes? QUICK_EDIT
Many movies based on video games got ztyped up. I think having a CnC TV series may be a good idea, but not a movie. A movie is too small to fit in a whole Tiberium/ Red Alert/ Generals saga. Just about 1hr 30min and all that was explained was just a very small portion of the whole saga. But being a TV series is better. Just watch Prison Break for example. Its quite lengthy but a good amount of the story is told in every episode. _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
You want the story for generals? go find a few pro-chinese/US/terrorist videos on youtube. Done.
Red alert and Tiberium are one. Face it. I know the whole EA 'universes' stuff, but RA1 is a prequel to TD, and WW had an explanation for RA2/YR in the works.
A movie/series would be a brilliant oipportunity to expand the story, but it'd also be a brilliant cash-cow.... :S So knowing our luck it'd be a bad idea. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Kane
Cabal
McNeil
Slavik <--- Cant forget this awesome guy
James Earl Jones <--- He is AWESOME, I mean, he's Darth Vader on the good guy's side XD _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Bah, The commando, and Sheppard. He might seem a bit 2d at times but him and Seth are surprisingly memorable. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Oh sure, so they own the trademarks of tiberium and stuff, big whoop.
Last time trademarks stopped me was... Never.
Stopped you from what? You're like the rest of us, people who have zero authority on C&C. That authority goes to whoever has the rights to the franchise, that would be EA and they can do as they please, just as Westwood did before them, for better or for worse (and Westwood has screwed with the franchise too. Remember Renegade?). That's how it works. Inability to accept that is just denying reality as it is. _________________
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Quite fun, quite popular and a spawning ground for brilliance such as APB.
And denying somebody elses thoughts/ideas is an age old idea. Reality is not who holds the paper, it's who holds the sway. I know I don't hold control over EA and the C&C community, but you'd be surprised how many people don't hold EA's canon to be true. If everybody denies reality eventually the denial becomes true. Hence religion. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Quite fun, quite popular and a spawning ground for brilliance such as APB.
And C&C 3's lasted thus far and it's a spawning ground for brilliance such as MEC2. RA3 in general too. Oh sure there's people who don't like it (like me) but the game isn't universally hated... in fact every game has people who like and dislike...
Lt Albrecht wrote:
you'd be surprised how many people don't hold EA's canon to be true.
There's a difference between disliking something and having the delusion that it isn't true. The latter is just sad denial.
Lt Albrecht wrote:
If everybody denies reality eventually the denial becomes true. Hence religion.
And I suppose this is what it's going to become? A "religion" of people opposed to EA's handling of the C&C franchise? Pffft... people like these would seriously need a life if they're getting that worked up like that over a video game of all things...
Lt Albrecht wrote:
Reality is not who holds the paper, it's who holds the sway.
Who holds the sway isn't the same as reality. If everyone on earth believed that the sun rose from the west, it doesn't magically make the sun behave as such. Don't assume the majority opinion of the masses = absolute undisputed truth. _________________
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EA just bought the licence and pasted their own story right on top of WW's story. Saying that EA's version invalidates WW's version is bullshit.
And EA's version is ridden with plot holes bigger than Goatseman's asshole.
That's just your "I-haet-what-EA-did" personality coming into emergence and clouding your rational mind. The franchise owner controls the franchise. That's how things work in real life. Maybe you think it shouldn't be this way because it looks like EA is screwing with the franchise but the truth is, it's their franchise and they can do as they please, for better or for worse. You have 3 choices: Accept it, stop caring about it, or throw a hissy fit on the internet.
If you dislike it that much you could always forsake the franchise. Look at me I disliked KW and RA3. And I've never played either. Believe me there are some hypocritical whiners out there whom I'm certain will bitch and moan all day long but still bother play C&C 4 when it comes out (be it legally or otherwise). Likewise I've been actually out of the C&C loop for ages (haven't bothered with any BCPT or other media in months)... I just cut loose like that. Sure beats sitting around and whining like it's gonna change anything... oh wait it does change things! Wasn't it the mech fanboys who whined incessantly until EA had to put mechs in KW, thereby retconning what C&C 3 had established? Bravo whiners. Your efforts have been rewarded with yet another plot hole just so you can see your walking units in-game _________________
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Yes but right now because EA is the franchise owner, their stuff takes precedence. if Westwood said "A is true", and EA said "B is true", B would override A if both clashed. A would only apply if EA properly acknowledged it. Of course they often don't bother, and that's how you get the plot holes (eg. Tacitus date and decryption inconsistency, Tiberium revamp, etc). It sucks but that's just how it is. _________________
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Sooo.....
Basically what Valdez is saying is that because the current owner of C&C is EA all that EA says is true, and therefore WW is false.
Here's a hypothetical question: If EA was to sell C&C onto another company, and this hypothetical company further changed the story, would this mean that what EA said was false, in the same way as EA makes WW false. Hypothetically.
And Albrecht is saying that the story is whatever is decided by the customers, and in the same way the modders? ..I don't quite understand his point.
But if we all agree that WW's story stops around TW, so obviously the TW story is in fact a piece of the RA2-RA3-TW story, because the inconsistencies could only occur if the timeline was royally screwed up. QUICK_EDIT
That means that we gank up on Valdez, kick the shit out of him, and then go all KGB on everyone in the community and NERDRAGE at the slightest possibility of someone liking something new.
You know NMA, those FallOut fanboys who ban you if you say you liked FallOut Tactics or FallOut 3.
I'm gonna take another intrepretation. Everything that you see in the games is true, and nothing else. So what happens in the game is the solid truth, but what a dev says outside of it is not. Only the games contribute to the canon. Anything that contradicts itself in the story actualy does not, and it is up to the player to come up with the answer to how these thigns really don't actually contradict themselves.
Also note, if the devs want something they think should be in the game in the game, they can simply put it there.
But as for the C&C movie, 'Founding of Nod'; Backstory into the Brotherhood, how Kane rose to power in it or how he created it, some counter spy stuff (like some James Bond guy is spying on them), and then maybe some battles in Africa towards the end (like the first coupl of missions). Then the movie can end with the tiberium meteor crashing into earth. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Sooo.....
Basically what Valdez is saying is that because the current owner of C&C is EA all that EA says is true
It's a story. None of it is really true.
The story's inconsistent. That's all there just is to it. We've seen it before. The Tacitus was in the hands of the Daedalus Team, yet somehow CABAL says mutants stole it from him, etc etc...
Let's face it, the Tiberian storyline was decent, but not exactly flawless... Westwood didn't really fine-tune it (Renegade's depiction of the first tiberian war was so wrong) and EA didn't exactly try to iron it out properly either. A friend once told me that looking back on the Tiberian storyline he found it wasn't even really that awesome and epic, but somehow ended up romanticised by fans who made it out to be like an exquisite stellar piece of fiction that got murdered by EA. Thinking about it, I found that I agreed with what my friend said.
Make no mistake though, I'm not approving of what EA has done to the storyline. In fact I found C&C 3's story pretty badly executed in terms of filming, dialogue, characters, etc.
DaFool wrote:
it is up to the player to come up with the answer to how these thigns really don't actually contradict themselves.
IMO that's just shoddy work on the story guys. Plot holes shouldn't have to be resolved by the audiences. I personally don't find a story any more entertaining if it has convoluted plot issues here and there passed off as things to add intrigue and mystery. _________________
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Story isn't a main selling point for RTS games. They tend to receive more focus in RPGs. Frankly I'm not surprised very few RTS games out there have good storylines... the market demand for such isn't exactly very high, people see it as a bonus, not an absolute must-have. The main importance is usually gameplay. _________________
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My point is if everyone says the sun rises in the west and holds it to be true so everyone calls east west and the two are switched, just like if everyone was of the opinion that painting walls was fun then it'd be "fun". But that's not the point
I like fun games, but I also like good stories, which is why I dislike some of the later stories, TBH YR's story was bad and RA2 was only slightly better, it's gotten worse and TBH it's not all EA's fault. TD evolved a good story out of necessity (tiberium kinda built the game around itself according to the devs). RA's story was inspired in parts and lacklustre in others. TS was meh, it didn't pull me in that much and RA2's was kinda ott, the game itself was quite fun but the story was MAD, in YR it got worse and then we get generals... Which has no story to speak of. TW was another meh and then RA3 just sucked.
you could do some crap and say EA was to blame but TD was a brilliant success, RA was good (albeit rush prone) and then off it goes into the weird lands of varying opinion... _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
My point is if everyone says the sun rises in the west and holds it to be true so everyone calls east west and the two are switched
Er no, this is not based on switching the terminologies. This is assuming the prior definitions of east and west still retain, but there is a clear insistence that the sun rises from where it is clearly not rising from.
And to Ixonoclast, games are meant to be played. Story's really just a bonus that isn't crucial for gameplay. Did TF2 have a deep, immersive and engaging story? Heck no, and it was still a pretty fine game. Point is, games entertain people first and foremost through the gameplay. Stories are fluff attached to the campaign. Sometimes it's done really well but like I said there isn't really a market demand for excellent storytelling in the RTS genre. _________________
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all game/movie adaptions i know are terrible, horrible and just plain wrong.....
super mario bros=horrible
streetfighter/legend of chun li=HORRIBLE
resident evil= horrible especially RE 2 and the whole plot is wrong but meh
cnc shouldn't ever make it on screen, it'll be a huge disgrace _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
all game/movie adaptions i know are terrible, horrible and just plain wrong.....
super mario bros=horrible
streetfighter/legend of chun li=HORRIBLE
resident evil= horrible especially RE 2 and the whole plot is wrong but meh
cnc shouldn't ever make it on screen, it'll be a huge disgrace
And so it is even worst vice versa. _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
all game/movie adaptions i know are terrible, horrible and just plain wrong.....
super mario bros=horrible
streetfighter/legend of chun li=HORRIBLE
resident evil= horrible especially RE 2 and the whole plot is wrong but meh
cnc shouldn't ever make it on screen, it'll be a huge disgrace
See my last post *feels ignored* _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Super Mario Bros=Terrible (they left out anything that made mario, to mario..it was just another 90's trash sci fi flick)
Resident Evil I=Somewhat OK but yet, the story is wrong told and it's still cheesy even with all the excuses
Resident Evil II= Don't get me started on that....it was....god it was horrible
Resident Evil III=well....for a "zombie" flick it was kind of nice, without the end and the name resident Evil it might have been a cool direct to DVD release for lonely saturday evenings...
Streetfighter (van damme)= oh god no....turn the TV off...that was SO awful
Legend of Chun li=...pretending to make a more serious and groundstanding flick about the games they made a horribly lame fighting and no-sense at all story without ANY catchy chracter...don't bother just touching it..
DooM=i HATE the rock.....on the other hand..if you know "doom" what do you expect? i just don't get why a virus....i mean a virus on moon with a ridiculous rescue troop on drugs isn't crazy but the hells gates opening was too unbelievable to develop in the story? wtf?
Far Cry=well.....uwe boll....it wasn't THAT bad...but the only thing it had in common was the red shirt with palms, there was NOTHING else what made you think "hmm i saw this in the game.
Alone in the Dark=if you haven't lost your common sense you would have fallen asleep until the first 5 minutes of this horrible abomination of a movie just like me, again uwe boll...i can't really say something about this movie because I SLEPT...
Mortal Kombat I+II=...DEAR GOD it was SO cheesy and bad, the only thing that made it halway decent was it's poor laughable acting and the cheesy techno music that got me hooked and forced me to watch this rainbow colour filled drug addicting shitpile of crap...
Double Dragon=yet it wasn't really double dragon...but it was OK for it's time as a standalone sci fi flick, i would watch it again then and when...
Wing Commander=ow...just...jesus christ....same thing than with Alone in the Dark...i couldn't get over it without falling asleep...
Tomb Raider I + II= we expected Tits and Ass perspectives when lara would climb upon something, we got that, the movies were.....they werre OK....4 out of 10 points for ass and tits...
Final Fantasy:The Spirits Within= i'm really sorry to say that, but even if it was unfaithful to Final Fantasy, as standalone i found it to be a really really nice and well made movie, it was entertaining and i loved the artworks, one of the very few films i actually really liked.
Silent Hill=...i dunno about most people who might liked it, but for me personally it was similar to the alone in the dark feeling, i was tired.
Postal=DEAR GOD ....the game was bland....but that was even blandererer, it sucked so much crap cakes....at some times it was hilarious, more than the game ever was....uwe knoll...
Resident Evil:Degeneration= finally an RE fom capcom...well it wasn't a killer movie but it was nice and entertaining.....
well that are so far all i've seen and this should be a sign....where the trend goes _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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