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Red Alert 2 alternative Pillbox
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Madin
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject:  Red Alert 2 alternative Pillbox
Subject description: High polygon sorry!
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This is a discarded 3d model that was going to be used in my mod.
It was supposed to be a RA2 Pillbox, but inspired more from the tiny cameo than the in-game model.
I lost inspiration and eventually decided to skin the 'normal' RA2 Pillbox that I had also done.
Sadly this means there is no texture & no optimisation with this model, its really just a model.
Polys: 3,593
Verts: 3,327

If you look at the coloured screenshot, The blue area was going to glow...because glowing looks cool. The black ring was going to be a scanner/sensor. It would of rotated towards detected targets and help to locate stealthed units.
Whats really odd, and sets this apart from the typical 'just-a-model' crowd, is that this one has its own unwrap. Weird, I don't even remeber unwrapping it!
Edit it all you like. If you use it, then credit me. If you skin it, post a screen here, I'd be interested to see what you come up with.



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Robopope99
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

good for an early attempt- the gun could definitely use mode detail- looks like a broomstick.

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ConMan
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's quite nice for a first attempt!

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Madin
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Robopope99 wrote:
good for an early attempt- the gun could definitely use mode detail- looks like a broomstick.

Its for an RTS, it does not need detail at all.

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Robopope99
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I beg to differ- I know what I speak of - the best way to improve is to accept constructive criticism. If it were for any other thing than a ten year old RTS it would not be acceptable.



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Madin
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And I'm telling you that the barrel (not a whole gun), of a pill box does not need any more model detail at all.
(By the way, that model in your picture is way above my level of skill)
EA have made millions from their rts guns being boxes and brooms.
I have their C&C 3 garrison weapon (a broom).

My major interest is how the model will look, skinned, in game, at the maximum zoom level that everyone plays in. From that distance, especially when the pillbox is not firing, it is the sand bags & 'lid' pill box detail that will catch the eye. When it is firing, it is the guns muzzle flash and tracers that will catch the eye. The 'guns' job in this instance is to carry the muzzle flash, nothing more.
I accept your criticism, I simply disagree that's all. If it interest you, the model that I'm going to use will not have a gun barrel at all, it will simple show a muzzle flash and 'smoke' emitting from the correct area when it fires. The visible barrel that can be seen from miles is not needed at all.

Now any criticism aimed at the outlandish waste in modeling individual sand bags....

By the way, how many Polygons/verts does the model in your image have?
One day I'll model something other than a box... Rolling Eyes

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DaFool
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

1) real polies end up being like 6538 in the .3ds
2) this in an incredible amount of polies, yet it's kind of hard to see where the details went.
3) The sandbags float in the air (top ones)
4)Top thing has no support holding it up
5) I guess the general shape of it is good, but what are you going to use it for? What can you use it for?
6) There's more efficent ways to make the sand bags

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Ixonoclast
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Use it in your Gen mod DaFool.

Call it a 4th wall breaking weapon, the lag will give you valueable seconds/minutes/hours to plan your attack/get some tea/shag your girlfriend/go to the store.

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Madin
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

DaFool wrote:
1) real polies end up being like 6538 in the .3ds
2) this in an incredible amount of polies, yet it's kind of hard to see where the details went.
3) The sandbags float in the air (top ones)
4)Top thing has no support holding it up
5) I guess the general shape of it is good, but what are you going to use it for? What can you use it for?
6) There's more efficent ways to make the sand bags


1) In C&C3 I'm interested in vert count, EA go has far has not even mentioning a polygon budget at all. I have no idea why the .3ds would do that In C&C3 modding I have no need for the .3ds format.

2) The sand bags obviously. Deleting them, leaves a model of 447 verts & 367 polygons. I'm guessing that using one of the extended primitives has a starting point was not a good idea.
Again, has an abandoned model, it is not 'finished'.
Game world centering and orientation, game world scaling, optimization (its been mentioned that the model is not optimized).

3) Agreed. Would I have fixed it has part of the finalization process? yes.
Would you be able to tell in game? no.

4) It has what I called, the 'blue thing'. The Blue thing is of a smaller diameter than the top (but not much) and fits in between the gap. The assumption in game, would be that the 'blue thing' (which would glow so everyone knew it was there) supported the top.

5)Nothing, that's why its abandoned, has the original posts states.

6) There must be I know, I just don't have the experience to model it those ways. EA's bumped texture that they use for the GDI pillbox, was never an acceptable solution. I want glorious Max Reactor based sandbag tumbling!

Thanks for your precise pointed notes.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

oh my bad for confusing the fact that this is for cnc3 not ra2 or TS- Well in that case you have a loooong way to go my friend. Ill wait for you to post some more work before coming to a complete judgement in that fact but I believe that the guns are a bit more detailed than a hipoly cylinder in Cnc3 IIRC- they at least look convincing. And yes those sand bags need work- I figured Id point out one thing than playing the devils advocate for your entire model.

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Madin
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Robopope99 wrote:
oh my bad for confusing the fact that this is for cnc3 not ra2 or TS- Well in that case you have a loooong way to go my friend. Ill wait for you to post some more work before coming to a complete judgement in that fact but I believe that the guns are a bit more detailed than a hipoly cylinder in Cnc3 IIRC- they at least look convincing. And yes those sand bags need work- I figured Id point out one thing than playing the devils advocate for your entire model.

You are of course right, they are expressed a lot better than a simple cylinder. I'll experiment and see if showing a barrel feels necessary in game later in the process. If I feel it is, I'll use one of EA's garrisoned weapons.
I'll experiment with the multires modifier on the sandbags.
(3,327 verts Rolling Eyes )

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Joshy
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Why do people only produce models at the in-game perspective?

What about cinematics people!? Mad

Also, Madin, I suggest you export it to .obj. It's like the universal format for 3d progams. Very Happy

Good first attempt.

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Madin
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Joshy wrote:
Why do people only produce models at the in-game perspective?

What about cinematics people!? Mad

Also, Madin, I suggest you export it to .obj. It's like the universal format for 3d progams. Very Happy

Good first attempt.

Laughing
I do not have the skill yet to do high detail models!
So it would be better for me to export a .obj? OK I'll do that for my next public model.
GMAX can't import .OBJ though can it?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I do not have the skill yet to do high detail models!

You'll be there soon enough. Wink

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So it would be better for me to export a .obj? OK I'll do that for my next public model.
GMAX can't import .OBJ though can it?


Yeah, you should. However, I didn't know GMax didn't support obj. Confused (I used GMax when I first started modeling, but I don't remember anything about it.) If GMax doesn't support it, then include a file format that it does support. (3ds I guess?)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I import .3ds into gmax on a daily basis, and if you have some time to kill, you can also download some scripts that will let you export as .obj (although I have never tried importing).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think it looks ok,any ingames?

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Madin
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

vefbl4 wrote:
I think it looks ok,any ingames?

Has soon has the 'proper' Pillbox is done I'll show screenshots in this forum.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yar, it does look ok, you'll be an awesome modeler before you know it, good luck #Tongue

obtw: the sandbags look like cheeseburger boxes XD

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

inzane krazy wrote:
yar, it does look ok, you'll be an awesome modeler before you know it, good luck #Tongue

obtw: the sandbags look like cheeseburger boxes XD

Laughing
Those Allied GI's are resourceful aren't they? Using fast food packaging has a makeshift defence, genius!
Good thing that they are in a Pillbox and don't have to run from the enemy, those can't have been small burgers....
#Scrambles

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