Whats wrong with being at war with Germany in games/mods? We're at war with Russia in loads of games, I don't see the difference here. It's not like those games feature concentration camps, theyre just using cool German military as a gaming device.
No, not Germans. Nazis or.. Neo-Nazis or something. QUICK_EDIT
Since when are playing the cybernetic zombie nazis faction in a RA2 mod the same thing as walking along in a neonazi march?
Seriously, I'm all for removing neonazi teeth with combat boots, but that doesn't mean we should lock down every mod that has nazis! It's a game people. The nazis are dead. And the neonazis will never win.
So make the mod, remember the nazis lost and piss on their graves. QUICK_EDIT
most problem i see with svastika or any other NS-symbols is that there are enough stupid people in the world who think all germans are nazis.
i for myself encountered bad expiriences especially with dutch people who were insulting me as a nazi only because i am german.
on the other hand i heard of a friend who was visiting ireland that there are lot of people thinking that starting WW2 and kicking some Tommies asses was a good idea of Nazi-Germany...
so...and cencosrship is not always bad at all...
i for myself don´t want to play an FPS just because if you give your opponent a headshot and you go to the dead body and see how the blood flews out of the head and the body does spastic movements...
i think we had here or at revora or maybe at DS too enough discussions about this...
so there will always be more...
another reason why german people will react sensitive to Nazi-Stuff is because we learn alot of the cruelties done at that time in school. _________________ just a simple logo by bricks @ raminator, on Flickr QUICK_EDIT
Yeah but the Irish are bastards who blame us because our parliament sat therte and let them starve when the potato crop failed, regardless of the fact they did similar things to the mainland british population (i.e. something bad happens, do sod all, e.g. Cholera in London, repeatedly...) It just so happened thanks to greedy landlords there really wasn't much for the irish to eat save potatoes...
But that's besides the point. There are ignorant people everywhere, we can't change that. But outlawing speaking about something and airbrushing over that history to quitet the ignorant? That's plain wrong... (Also it doesn't work). _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
i for myself encountered bad expiriences especially with dutch people who were insulting me as a nazi only because i am german.
That's a cultural difference. We Dutch are known to be a bit blunt, and our humour reflects that.
It's pretty common for Dutch people to call strict people "nazis", or making jokes about "the Germans are coming", or "getting back my grandpa's bike"... when the Germans abandoned the Netherlands, some soldiers stole bikes to get back to base quicker...
You'll be hard pressed to find real German-hating Dutch nowadays. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:
Yeah, when I was on holiday, we walked around in a forrest one day, and lots of trees were put out of the ground, so huge holes where left. My father joked that Germans had been there.
I also don't think many in the Netherlands (excluding stupid 'hey look I'm cool yo yo' immigrants) would really mean it if they said something like that. But yeah, we've got a sort of blunt humour...I atleast have. _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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Yeah, when I was on holiday, we walked around in a forrest one day, and lots of trees were put out of the ground, so huge holes where left. My father joked that Germans had been there.
I also don't think many in the Netherlands (excluding stupid 'hey look I'm cool yo yo' immigrants) would really mean it if they said something like that. But yeah, we've got a sort of blunt humour...I atleast have.
We Dutch are kind of like Godwin's law in real life.
EDIT: Really, Dutch humour is very blunt and brutal. Go watch an english translation of a Hans Teeuwen show. You'll notice. QUICK_EDIT
humor is one thing (i like dark tasteless humor) but insulting just to make you feel bad...
however... i like pancakes and i like the dutch coast and of course dutch girls
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject:
erm, I started to write it before Raminator...
1. Swastika has been outraged by Nazis, because it was symbol in many old religions, esp. from India (clockwise is symbol for sadness and anticlockwise for luck, I suppose).
2. Censorship is sometimes really exaggerated, even historical plane model kit can't contain "Hackencreuz" (Swastika in German) because manufacturer is afraid of consequences... so banning spree is moving (see 4.).
3. Not every communist was bad, there were millions of people just in my 10 million nation. They believed in ideal (normal people will have at least average wage, there will be better, world peace, etc.), others were in party, because they didn't want complications (problems with education or worse in case of big property). Two remaining groups (hopefully minor) were spoilsmen (2/3 of our parliament are such people, dynasties which ruled even during pre-WWII Czechoslovakia)
and fanatical dictatoristic people ((neo)stalinists are their part). Even other communists were angry on these 2 groups.
Spoilsmen have always wanted power, money, (glory, ) so they did the "best" work they could and prepared for capitalism (maybe even they planned so-called Velvet Revolution). They had millions and big properties gained during socialistic era (soviet secretaries had even maid(s) and driver(s)). Many of them are at power now (esp. in big companies and 2 biggest parties, 3rd communistic is mysterious in this way), many of them turned into loud anticommunists.
Fanatics were those, who held power during most time of socialistic era (except few bright moments like year 1968 - ended with inner plot of neostalinists after failed invasion), fanatics killed millions. Stalin (poisoned), Mao Ce Tung, Pol Pot (driven out by Vietnamese Army),...
Talking about millions of dead because of communism...
World isn't that simple, USA governments caused many wars and supported many dictators to drive out soviet influence (and they continue), so indirectly they are response for those deaths like communists are indirectly response they let Stalin and similar monsters to rule.
However they are directly response for many deaths, but all those statistics are still politically deformed and the truth is covered with USA/Venezuela/China/Al-Qaida/etc. propaganda.
The winners writes the history. (Napoleon)
Also I don't think every fascist was really bad.
Fanatics are, always (even fanatical pacifists - because army can help during floods).
4. So these symbols have been banned http://www.hojko.com/download.php?id=11920, iron cross have been saved as the symbol of united Germany or something like that,
also flags and symbols of other movements (like former flag of Stalinistic young political movement now renamed to Komsomols).
Hammer and Sickle are near to be banned, same 5-pointed star (esp. red). So these symbols are even being erased from WWII monuments and then created again because it was symbol of those who were fighting against nazis...
Ad absurdum it can end that cherries will be banned (communistic symbol), flag of the USA will be illegal and same Austrian national emblem http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soubor:Austria_Bundesadler.svg.
5. 1.5 pages of this thread are nearly off-topic, so try to keep disscussion about this mod. I haven't seen anything more than logo and short story.
So Confessor, learn how to create voxels and SHPs, inspire with public works in Media Hut area and those made for competitions. Also learn about RA2 ini coding. Using public works is sometimes easy way to create nice mod (like Mental Omega or AG:SA). Civilization infantry has different shading, but some mods use them (look on YR Argentina, MadHQ's Depot and other resources sites). _________________
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This game here is Warfront: Turning Point. IT's like the same premise: Hitler gone and you get Nazis, Soviets, and Allies with experimental weapons like Exoskeletons, War Zeppelins, Jet Packs, Freeze Guns, Etc etc. No one was picketing for the cencelation of the game IIRC. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it"-Winston Churchill. Look at the old beggar! We've all forgotten about gallipoli and idolised his speeches, he even popularised the term "Iron Curtain"! _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
erm, I started to write it before Raminator...
So Confessor, learn how to create voxels and SHPs, inspire with public works in Media Hut area and those made for competitions. Also learn about RA2 ini coding. Using public works is sometimes easy way to create nice mod (like Mental Omega or AG:SA). Civilization infantry has different shading, but some mods use them (look on YR Argentina, MadHQ's Depot and other resources sites).
Thanks!
I've got .ini coding down, and have had for a very long time now (since the days of RA1).
But for some reason, despite being somewhat of an artist by nature, I've just never been able to handle voxels.
I'll try again when I get off tomorrow. QUICK_EDIT
Stalin -was- poisoned. Laverentii Beria killed him (probably to save his own ass in the next purge.), though him, Viktor Abakumov, and everybody remotely involved got fucked when that bald idiot Khrushchev took over. QUICK_EDIT
Stalin -was- poisoned. Laverentii Beria killed him
Proof where? Beria stole power then fell foul of the politburo, sure... But poisoning the Gensec? Bad idea much? _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
DaFool: iirc, that game had gameplay like ZH did, just that everything died so much faster >.< _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
No, not Germans. Nazis or.. Neo-Nazis or something.
Nazi's in Germany were German, or Austrian. In WW2 Germany was still Germany, they just had a different ideology. I don't think "Nazis" are a type of people, its just a belief. Because this mod is dealing with "The Reich" it seems to only be Nazi's in Germany (Germans), not just Nazis in general who are all over the world.
So at being at war with WW2 Germany is being at war with Germany, not just Nazis. I'm not saying "all Germans are Nazis", I'm saying that between 1933 (IIRC) and 1945 Germany was officially Nazi, but still Germany. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject:
Nadia poisoned him, then Kane killed Nadia...Right? At the moment I'm playing through the RA1 campaign again, I'm at Allied mission 9 or something (where you've got to evacuate a Nuclear Scientist), and at Soviet Mission 8 or something (inside a Nuclear Reactor). _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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I think they we're talking about real life, not RA1. Also, in my mind I will never admit that the abomination that is the Nazi's Third Reich is Germany, I just won't. Also, btw realize, Reich is a word for empire ,but not exactly the same thought empire as we think, in German though since Hitler's reign it is typically a negetive word. The main thing you have to realize here is Nazi doesn't mean German, they aren't one and the same. There was quite a bit of resistance. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:18 am Post subject:
Darkstorm wrote:
I think they we're talking about real life, not RA1. Also, in my mind I will never admit that the abomination that is the Nazi's Third Reich is Germany, I just won't. Also, btw realize, Reich is a word for empire ,but not exactly the same thought empire as we think, in German though since Hitler's reign it is typically a negetive word. The main thing you have to realize here is Nazi doesn't mean German, they aren't one and the same. There was quite a bit of resistance.
Yeah, I knew that, but OmegaBolt said something about RA1, how Stalin was killed, which was wrong. _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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Wow. This thread now so reminds me about that illuminati discussion back in my mod thread. Please, don't hijack this thread already (that damned illuminati discussion is still in my thread >.< Don't let it happen to this one now). _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
Pfft.Who said that human were cyborgs in 10-20 years?
This doesn't mean it wasn't enough close to kill Stalin...
Not only are yo a moron, you're also a fucktard. They used a Brick of explosive the size of a small book in Prussia, Stalin was in moscow. And WTF are you on about with the cyborgs? _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Pfft.Who said that human were cyborgs in 10-20 years?
This doesn't mean it wasn't enough close to kill Stalin...
Not only are yo a moron, you're also a fucktard. They used a Brick of explosive the size of a small book in Prussia, Stalin was in moscow. And WTF are you on about with the cyborgs?
I meant they didn't had a ztyping armor.
Also,what's the big thing that they are in Moscow?You're in London,big deal.A small amount of poison can do its job.You can just put insecticide in Stalin's morning coffee.Who will notice?Stalin?He'll be in the hospital in a few minutes... QUICK_EDIT
What the fuckdoes trying to explode hitler imn east prussia in 1944 have to do with stalin dying at his dacha outside moscow in 1953? _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
I think they we're talking about real life, not RA1.
I was joking.
Darkstorm wrote:
Also, in my mind I will never admit that the abomination that is the Nazi's Third Reich is Germany, I just won't. Also, btw realize, Reich is a word for empire ,but not exactly the same thought empire as we think, in German though since Hitler's reign it is typically a negetive word. The main thing you have to realize here is Nazi doesn't mean German, they aren't one and the same. There was quite a bit of resistance.
But officially Germany was Nazi at that time. Hitler didnt just say "oh well, I'd say we were Nazis but some of the boys formed a resistance so I can't speak for everyone". Not everyone in the WW German army were Nazis, but they were fought against by the Allies anyway. They didnt only shoot Nazi soldiers. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject:
Yeah...He probably deformatted his brain.
Seriously though, just stop with this pointless discussion, Deformat is spewing inane shit, Confessor wants a nice thread for his mod, and Albrecht lives in Hampshire. _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:
Will you shut the hell up and let this man continue his mod idea? You are wasting your time with this discussion. If you want it that badly, use MSN QUICK_EDIT
Can't be bothered to read everything that is basically faggots moaning about the direction of the mod, but aye, ignore anyone pretending to care about the at war with Germany thing and just keep working on your mod, it could be interesting. QUICK_EDIT
To avoid political tension, make it Red Alert 2 over-the-top-ish. You know cyborg zombie vampire nazis vs. werewolf dinosaur psychic russians. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject:
Ixonoclast wrote:
One tip, Confessor.
To avoid political tension, make it Red Alert 2 over-the-top-ish. You know cyborg zombie vampire nazis vs. werewolf dinosaur psychic russians.
Just let him do it the way he wants. I absolutely despise (maybe exaggerating, but only slightly) people who can't get over Hitler. It is a game. Get your emotions in check or go to a psychiator or something... _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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I dunno... if enough evil souls combine by creating propaganda like mods, games and films then maybe they'll generate enough anti-God energy and restore him as Cyber-Hitler. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject:
That's why the good guys always win in most games, to create a cyber-Chuck Norris to counter all evil. However, currently, evil is gaining a slight upperhand, so we seriously need to make overpowered Allies mod, or a mod where any good guy is overpowered and wins. _________________ ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭
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No because good guys are completely stupid and boring. Entertainment has gone through the goodguys always saving the day (particularly in America, in fact it still is in America). Maybe we're finally getting closer to realising there is no such thing as good and evil? I guess not...
The only way you can do good things is by doing evil things. You kill millions to stop Hitler. You rationalise it by saying he's the bigger evil overall and its worth it. On the flip side Hitler believed what he was doing to be right as well, and that destroying the evil allies would ultimately create good. QUICK_EDIT
WWII wasn't all just brave allied soldiers fighting cold hearted evil facists. There's a human side on every person but brainwashing caused by the state allowed evil acts to be carried out more easily.
WWI and WWII are clearly different from recent conflicts because their was clearly a reason to fight and it was defensive response.
We had the concrete evidence to fight unlike for example Gulf War 2. I'm not saying war is a gentlemans game but generally 99.99% of the world agrees that Nazism is sh*t and history has proven it.
The allies didn't suddenly decide one day where gonna gas all the germans cos they like to start wars. But hitlers politicial ideology was precisely that. It wasn't just about wanting more land or food, he wanted to kill off entire ethnic groups at the same time.
But really this actual mod is pointless, its just got a stupid logo/plot.
Also I'm pretty glad the good guys won even if it was boring and made the world more stupid.
I personally think Hitler and Nazism is still a thorny issue, especially for Germans, is because basically one man and his cronies basically f*ck up a entire country for years and not just by him but also the former soviet union. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I think you missed my point completely, there was no double negative. The point is, you may think your good but theres always someone who disagrees. Who's to say your right? QUICK_EDIT
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