Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Location: Netherlands! Banned: 3 times
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:07 am Post subject:
That Bio Chruner is, AFAIK, or open source, or was in Speeder's cameo pack which he released. Otherwise, you probably ripped the cameo from his mod.
The Advanced ower Plant is also open source, just like the Flamethrower. And I've seen the Slave Gunner in a mod, but I don't know if it's open source. The new Crazy Ivan I've also seen in a mod, but again I don't know if it's open source.
Some of them seem pixelly..that might just be me though.
Which ones, exactly? Maybe some of them should be corrected.
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That Bio Chruner is, AFAIK, or open source, or was in Speeder's cameo pack which he released. Otherwise, you probably ripped the cameo from his mod.
The Advanced ower Plant is also open source, just like the Flamethrower. And I've seen the Slave Gunner in a mod, but I don't know if it's open source. The new Crazy Ivan I've also seen in a mod, but again I don't know if it's open source.
Sorry if I'm wrong though.
Bio Churner's cameo is created entirely by me (like Gun Turret's). Made it basing on Yuri Power Plant.
Here's a pic of production of such a cameo:
Advanced Power Plant it's Thermic Power Plant cameo, but with more blue and without this awful red remap. I've downloaded it with the .shp, then corrected. You can read that above, in my first post.
Slave Gunner has a cameo, basing on pic of Rambo.
I've just googled it, and converted appropriately. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Ironically, the public shp, Slave Gunner, just looks like him... plus the name, the name sounds very meaningful... "Slave... Gunner". _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Location: Netherlands! Banned: 3 times
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject:
That Gun Turret may be made by you, but I'm nearly 100% sure that you didn't make the Bio Chruner (which was in Mental Omega, as a hidden building, I edited it a week or so ago so you can build any unit or building) and you also haven't made the Flamethrower cameo. The Flamethrower cameo was even included with an infantry on YR Agrentinia, made by Chrono Loony. And, I'm not 100% sure, but that Crazy Ivan is used by Mental Omega or Robot Storm, or something like that.
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Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject:
to be honest... i somewhat doubt he made any of these... Either he took them and slightly improved them (like bio churner, advanced powerplant, flame thrower) or he went on google and looked up the cameos (most likley any of them >.>) QUICK_EDIT
Dark Templar X is right, they shouldn't be released as a part of the cameo pack. Mea culpa.
The pack & previews corrected.
These two are completely mine, I copyright them:
- apart from the background of the first one, which was taken from a pic of some aircraft.
Bio Churner, as you can see and know, is a public shp. But I've got with this public shp a crappy cameo, so as you would probably have done, I've taken Bio Reactor as a pattern, namely its background.
It's logical, isn't it?
Not my fault that I haven't played Mental Omega for too much (perhaps 1 hour or 30 minutes, 'cause I didn't like it really), and maybe 2 years ago if not longer. Don't remember what units or whatnots are there.
Don't care too much. You didn't make a cameo database.
All I can get with downloaded shps and vxls are mostly shitty cameos, or bad ones, cause the author doesn't have time to make a proper one.
It's understandable, because usually authors make much better (and excellent) shps and vxls.
Probably only Dark Templar X was right here. The rest accuse me of ripping anything, when I didn't. Didn't, because I don't have time to search 100 (or more!) RA2 mods & check if I haven't copied something by accident!
Don't have time to search 5-10 sites about C&C with cameos placed haphazardly, either!
If you make a cameobase, a decent one, then complain about anything else. I can't find proper icons for units in my own mod and yes, I'm really pissed off that I must give it too much time. Why? The reason is stated 4 passages above.
It's easier to make own cameos, easier than search all these sites and find nothing at all.
The point:
Any cameos for public assets should be public too. _________________ Last edited by Feillyne on Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:21 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Copyrighted, owned by me, as you want to name it. They're mine, ha ha.
That doesn't mean you can't use them. They're published, so you can download and use it in your mods. = ]
That was just for clearance, which probably you (clearly) lack, accusing me of anything. Perhaps some day I'll return your kindness by saying that anything made by you isn't made by you. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Well you can't "copyright" that Gun Turret one (you didn't even reverse the shine on it to match the new angle) since it's just an edit of the Westwood Pill Box cameo. QUICK_EDIT
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Don't care too much. You didn't make a cameo database.
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Probably only Dark Templar X was right here. The rest accuse me of ripping anything, when I didn't. Didn't, because I don't have time to search 100 (or more!) RA2 mods & check if I haven't copied something by accident!
Don't have time to search 5-10 sites about C&C with cameos placed haphazardly, either!
If you make a cameobase, a decent one, then complain about anything else. I can't find proper icons for units in my own mod and yes, I'm really pissed off that I must give it too much time. Why? The reason is stated 4 passages above.
It's easier to make own cameos, easier than search all these sites and find nothing at all.
The point:
Any cameos for public assets should be public too.
To start, a "don't care" attitude is a shitty way to start yourself here at PPM. If you're going to release something as pointless as this is, at least take the time to do it right.
You then defend ripping by saying that you didn't look, so it doesn't count as ripping. So I'll find your mod and rip the cameos, wait a year or two, find them on my hard drive, and use them because I couldn't be bothered to look to see if they're ripped. Which will be perfectly fine with your logic.
You claim that cameos are placed haphazardly, yet every CnC resource site I've seen provides easy-to-use divisions. And half your cameos are public. You don't get rights to redistribute cameos without the author's permission.
You then complain because you're "pissed off" because you have to make something for yourself. Aww boo hoo. Get over yourself. If it's so easy to make your own cameos that look decent ingame, then do us a favor and don't bother us with a pompous attitude and a public pack of SHPs.
And the first cameo is just a VV or HVA screenshot. The second one is just a Pillbox edit, as Bolt pointed out.
The point:
You need to get over yourself, because the community doesn't revolve around you. If you need something, do it yourself if it's not available or you can't be assed to look. QUICK_EDIT
Well you can't "copyright" that Gun Turret one (you didn't even reverse the shine on it to match the new angle) since it's just an edit of the Westwood Pill Box cameo.
Well, I didn't mean "copyrighting" exactly, but being an author of it. If you made a cameo, you "copyrighted" it after publishing it. As below m7 said, the cameos made by anyone are theirs and they deserve credit for it.
Even if it's a remake of Westwood assets. Look at what infantry Graveyards or Yuri Argentina got. Remakes. And the authors deserve the credit for them nevertheless.
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To start, a "don't care" attitude is a shitty way to start yourself here at PPM. If you're going to release something as pointless as this is, at least take the time to do it right.
You then defend ripping by saying that you didn't look, so it doesn't count as ripping. So I'll find your mod and rip the cameos, wait a year or two, find them on my hard drive, and use them because I couldn't be bothered to look to see if they're ripped. Which will be perfectly fine with your logic.
You claim that cameos are placed haphazardly, yet every CnC resource site I've seen provides easy-to-use divisions. And half your cameos are public. You don't get rights to redistribute cameos without the author's permission.
You then complain because you're "pissed off" because you have to make something for yourself. Aww boo hoo. Get over yourself. If it's so easy to make your own cameos that look decent ingame, then do us a favor and don't bother us with a pompous attitude and a public pack of SHPs.
And the first cameo is just a VV or HVA screenshot. The second one is just a Pillbox edit, as Bolt pointed out.
The point:
You need to get over yourself, because the community doesn't revolve around you. If you need something, do it yourself if it's not available or you can't be assed to look.
The attitude "he ripped off everything because he's new/a newbie" isn't right, either.
I didn't look, because I don't have so much time to do it.
It doesn't provide good divisions. You see shps and shps. Camoes are shps. Try to find cameos among shps, and even cameos released somewhere with vxls or even elsewhere when authors of particular mods release them... on their own forums (see some of published voxels here, which are published... not in Media Hut!).
I must, because as I said - it's easier than search several or tens of webpages. You see, there are many mods that one can rip off something accidentally... especially if these mods use public models.
Yes, as it should be. But looks good to me. What is wrong with that? You can't make a cameo using free tools?
The point:
I'm a human... and after receiving here on PPM such a "warm" welcome, I shouldn't be trying to help you, to give you (community) something in return for all public vxls and shps I've used. I don't want to do it, just need to it, to pay it off. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
You started with releasing public stuff in your pack.
If you don't have time to look, then wait and keep looking. Patience is a virtue. An important one in modding.
This is why YrArg has an "icon" division from all the regular SHPs.
It's not ripping from the mod if it's public. And there aren't that many mods finished out there.
The fact there's grey remap (which isn't present on WW cameos) and that there's no smoothing or actual work other than pasting it on the cameo is what's wrong with it. It's a good start, but look at EVA-251's cameos for superb work at what it should look like.
You don't have to pay us back. We've done fine without you, and will if you leave. Assuming you owe us for whatever reason and acting like we have to be nice to you because you're giving us something that people can do themselves is rather pompous. QUICK_EDIT
I know how it sounds. It's not just to me. To ALL the people you should be nice, polite, and so on.
... I've read some of the threads and posts here, on PPM, as a guest, without replying, and e.g. apart from some nice posts about hacking the game (RA2/TS) without violating WW's rights, there's more posts bashing everybody asking for a hint or advice to do that... especially when you (community) say you don't know much about hacking (and you're saying that hacking a game is hard when you don't have an idea if it is).
It's true, same with some babbling about ripping anything, at the start... see the topic with a "cool jumpjet" if you want an example.
Community doesn't provide a comprehensible works database. Have you made backups of some of C&C sites either? (Hmmm, I had somewhere a link to a dead C&C modding site... it didn't live to this day.) _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Here's the long and short of feillyne, we don't care. We're not accusing you of ripping because you're new, it's because you would either be ripping or just flat being lazy; I suspect more of the latter.
We don't bash everyone who asks for advice, just those who ask in a poorly constructed manner or try to pass themselves off as great, such as what you're doing. You're not god's gift to the RA2 community so stop pretending that you are.
YR Argentina, and soon Editing Source, will provide quite a few resources and ES will be hosting a CGEN division as well since that died some time back. gordon-creAtive has a full DDM mirror; the only thing we really don't have is a full Savage War mirror, but most things from there are on other sites. So don't tell us about having a "comprehensible works database."
[EDIT] I had to AdBlock your images out of your posts since they were stretching the site and making the damn thread unreadable. You know, not everyone has a huge widescreen resolution. QUICK_EDIT
I've deleted that unfortunate img. You don't have to use it now.
You see it that way, I appreciate it, I understand you and your attitude. But I can understand it this way too: every person is GOD(GODDESS? never mind, no difference)'s gift to the(/a) community. Every person is a part of it... you know what I mean, supposedly?
You/I/we shouldn't bash anybody, and if bash anything in them, then only after a few unsuccessful tries of understanding, instead of being prejudiced at the very start.
It concerns accusations of ripping too.
You/we could lose some people, which could have shared something precious later if not prevented by the community. Not always, but there's a chance that they could have.
Hmm... there should be more mirrors. Just for safe-keeping.
Below these cameos which were said to be unreleased, but, I had 'third thoughts' and I don't mind and don't care if you use them in your mods without crediting me.
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You see it that way, I appreciate it, I understand you and your attitude. But I can understand it this way too: every person is GOD(GODDESS? never mind, no difference)'s gift to the(/a) community. Every person is a part of it... you know what I mean, supposedly?
Not really. Every brain capable of learning is useful, braindead sets of keyboard-bound hands? not so. In all frankness the modding community is a bit of a meritocracy. The admin of this site is an undeniably clever but idealistic brazillian who does his best to offset this, but when it really comes down to it it's survival of the useful. So prove yourself useful and join the club Everyone has a use, it's just that the use of rippers is something to vent pent up RAAAGEEE at. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Below these cameos which were said to be unreleased, but, I had 'third thoughts' and I don't mind and don't care if you use them in your mods without crediting me.
At least put the FAKE strip on it from Red Alert instead of a misplaced darkened bar at the top. QUICK_EDIT
Not really. Every brain capable of learning is useful, braindead sets of keyboard-bound hands? not so. In all frankness the modding community is a bit of a meritocracy. The admin of this site is an undeniably clever but idealistic brazillian who does his best to offset this, but when it really comes down to it it's survival of the useful. So prove yourself useful and join the club Everyone has a use, it's just that the use of rippers is something to vent pent up RAAAGEEE at.
You're right, but who can really tell who will be useful people? It only comes out after some time... and sometimes after a lot of time.
Aro wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the gun turret cameo actually looks pretty cool?
Seems so. You spark my hope.
Dark Templar X wrote:
At least put the FAKE strip on it from Red Alert instead of a misplaced darkened bar at the top.
Ha ha, no. RA1 is RA1. RA2 is RA2. Evolution.
Personally, I think that that strip was the ugliest thing they ever put on cameos. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
>.< Alex, this is the reason I called you a fucktard and got banned. Now I don't want banshee to have to find that button again so please stop and think before you post. Thanks. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Because you had to go into a thread and post even though it was completely offtopic and complete spam. This is why others have problems being nice. Why even waste your time if all you have to say is a quote and "Lol."
ONTOPIC, the cameos aren't bad. As Dark Templar said, you need to get rid of the remap. QUICK_EDIT
Because you had to go into a thread and post even though it was completely offtopic and complete spam. This is why others have problems being nice. Why even waste your time if all you have to say is a quote and "Lol."
Deformat's quote have been added to the great list of quotes. Go to the suitable thread and LOL about it there... _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
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[RA2/RA2:YR] A little cameo pack
Made it basing on Yuri Power Plant. 
