Not really, im in my exams so anything awesome just bothers me...
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So they changed things up a bit. It still has a great story and cutscenes and gameplay, even if it isn't very faithful to the past.
Nothing to do with the change. Its just "fun for 5 minutes" gameplay that sucks, big goofy graphics, limited campaign and likely campaign gameplay, boring and generic as hell soundtrack etc. Actually the cinematics dont look like they have good characters (after reading their descriptions in the Steam manual). QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject:
Oh shit, somebody expressed a positive opinion on CNC-4! QUICK, DRAG HIM OUT TO THE GALLOWS. WE DON'T NEED HIS KIND _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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C&C 4 is fine, it is the crappiest game in the series but will be fun notheless. It wouldn't of been the game any C&C fan would make for the Tiberium story arc's end but it isn't a piece of trash. QUICK_EDIT
BrianPrime, Why am I not shocked that you are excited for C&C 4?
This game has been a huge roller-coaster ride for me. At first I did not want to wright it off with out playing it. I thought I would give it a chance to prove it self. It seems like that never happened... Most comments I hear about the game are about the same... Its fun for 5 minutes then the shock value is over and its not worth the time. Now that the NDA is gone and I have seen some of the videos that have been posted on youtube peoples 5 minute shock value looks to be true. It looked way to campy and casual.
This will be the first C&C game I will not buy... My reasons are as follows.
1)Piss poor models/designs
-How EALA could have thought this game looked passable is just beyond me. GDI looks like like old lego sets (chunky and blocky as hell).
2)Short campaign
-I read some were that there is only like 14 missions per faction.
3)AI driven campaign
-This is just about as sad and as lazy as it gets... This just tells me they were to lazy to script any thing in an attempt to make a mission feel more like a mission and not just a skirmish.
4)Shitty maps
-The maps look like ass! Do not get me wrong I love symmetrical maps but these just do not have any creativity behind them... They look like they took basic shapes and patterned them across the map.
5)No Tiberium harvesting
-I could have done with out base building, but no resource collecting too... collecting resources is one of the largest strategies in an RTS game.
6)Recycled GFX's
-There is so much stuff recycled from other C&C games. I know this has been going on in all the C&C games that EALA has done to date, but when you re-use a faction unit... thats just pathetic.
...I could go on about more crap... But its not worth the time. _________________ MadHQ's Graveyard - Click here!
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I'm going to agree with MadHQ on all accounts but the missions, there are 4 GDI Introductory missions and 10 for each faction. There could of been more though, 10 mission campaigns are things of expansion packs.
To Volgin, Tiberian Sun is probably the best C&C game of all time not including the classics which are good for getting back to the roots, Yuri's Revenge and Red Alert 2 weren't that good, they only really offered more modding opportunites. As far as EA games and Generals are concerned, don't get me started. QUICK_EDIT
1)Piss poor models/designs
-How EALA could have thought this game looked passable is just beyond me. GDI looks like like old lego sets (chunky and blocky as hell).
2)Short campaign
-I read some were that there is only like 14 missions per faction.
3)AI driven campaign
-This is just about as sad and as lazy as it gets... This just tells me they were to lazy to script any thing in an attempt to make a mission feel more like a mission and not just a skirmish.
4)Shitty maps
-The maps look like ass! Do not get me wrong I love symmetrical maps but these just do not have any creativity behind them... They look like they took basic shapes and patterned them across the map.
5)No Tiberium harvesting
-I could have done with out base building, but no resource collecting too... collecting resources is one of the largest strategies in an RTS game.
6)Recycled GFX's
-There is so much stuff recycled from other C&C games. I know this has been going on in all the C&C games that EALA has done to date, but when you re-use a faction unit... thats just pathetic.
Your arguments are very bloody weak. I'll kill them then give my opinion on C&C IV.
1: Matter of taste. I think the Tiberian Sun Mammoth Mark 2 is cheesy and stupid. Somebody else here might disagree. Looks of a unit being 'crappy' or not is all taste.
2: Tiberian Sun, Tiberian Dawn, Red Alert, Red Alert 2, the 'best four', all have 12 missions or less in their campaigns. Nice strawman. It fails hard.
3: Lol. Dude. Sounds like the same as every other C&C campaign. Whats your point?
4: Because Grand Canyon was oh so good. Seriously. Have you looked at any of the Westwood maps for missions? They look like shit and are underdetailed in most cases. I point to the final missions for GDI and Nod in Firestorm as a perfect example.
5: Lol I guess I agree here.e
6: Ah, uh... GAOLDCC1-5, the old leftovers in every sequel want a word with you.
Regardless C&C IV looks like shit anyway. Not interested. I got Advance Wars, BC2, DOOM, Quake, SS(Q), TI, and Pokemon SOUL SILVER to play. I have 'nuff shit to keep me occupied without giving C&C IV a look. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
I got it a while back, it is a decent game, not the piece of trash people make it out to be, certainly isn't a member of the Tiberian storyline but isn't by any means a terrible game. QUICK_EDIT
1: Matter of taste. I think the Tiberian Sun Mammoth Mark 2 is cheesy and stupid. Somebody else here might disagree. Looks of a unit being 'crappy' or not is all taste.
They suck as in they are low poly, hardly thought out piles of junk I think he means. Creativity put into those were below average and lack any curves, or unique designs. Oh and EA still hasn't included any sort of bump/normal maps on their modesl yet? SCII will have normal maps on their models. More effort on Blizzard's part.
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2: Tiberian Sun, Tiberian Dawn, Red Alert, Red Alert 2, the 'best four', all have 12 missions or less in their campaigns. Nice strawman. It fails hard.
Red Alert had the aftermath, Tiberian Sun had Firestorm, Red Alert 2 had Yuri, how many more levels in the campaign do they add?
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3: Lol. Dude. Sounds like the same as every other C&C campaign. Whats your point?
His point is the campaign was AI driven and hardly or no scripting was put into the matter.
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4: Because Grand Canyon was oh so good. Seriously. Have you looked at any of the Westwood maps for missions? They look like shit and are underdetailed in most cases. I point to the final missions for GDI and Nod in Firestorm as a perfect example.
I loved the Westwood maps. The layouts were great. What's wrong with Grand Canyon? Underdetailed means nothing.
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Here.
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-There is so much stuff recycled from other C&C games. I know this has been going on in all the C&C games that EALA has done to date, but when you re-use a faction unit... thats just pathetic.
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Regardless C&C IV looks like shit anyway. Not interested. I got Advance Wars, BC2, DOOM, Quake, SS(Q), TI, and Pokemon SOUL SILVER to play. I have 'nuff shit to keep me occupied without giving C&C IV a look.
Yeah, terrible things to be occupied with. TI? You mean Twisted Insurrection?
I always make sure to play a game before I take a side. So, play the game before you form your opinion. NUCCA
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All I see here is blah blah ztyping blah. "C&C4 sucks zomg." Here's a thought - get an original opinion. Everyone just bitches and moans about C&C4 and hasn't actually played the game. It's ztyping ridiculous.
You don't need to love the game or even like it. But don't just parrot every other dipshit First Decade C&C fanfag verbatim. It's ztyping useless and shows you're completely unable to form your own goddamn opinion.
And stop comparing it to the shitfest fail that was Tiberian Sun. That was about as shitty as Tiberium Wars because the multiplayer was so terrible. It's not this, it's not that... well BAWWWWWWWW.
Put shortly, shut the ztype up and play the goddamn game before you bitch and moan. QUICK_EDIT
Joshy, you realise Aftermath, Firestorm, and YR are.. .expansions, yes? Please tell me you do. As for the rest of your 'points', which are again, just fanboy opinions through very tinted nostalgia goggles, and a mix of stupidity, shove it. Please. DOOM has more ztyping depth then this shitty franchise. It'd probably have more respect, and be taken seriously by EA had the fans not be en idiots clamoring for remakes in 3D, provide actual feedback other then 'EA sucks, we want westwood back' or 'i miss tiberian sun'. The fans killed C&C just as much as EA. Get the ztyping nostalgia goggles off of your eyes. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
I'll see how CnC4 is and tell y'all what I think of it - if its epic, its epic. If its crap, its crap, simple.
Anyways, anyone heard of Supreme Commander 2 (brought to you by the dudes who made the Final Fantasy games :V)?
Looked it up on Gamespot, said that it wasn't as good as SupCom and Forged Alliance (SupCom wasn't as badass as TA, this might just be worse). It looks good and promising though.
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Please. DOOM has more ztyping depth then this shitty franchise.
Yeah, CnC was crap from the start. Its definitely very crappy. Worse than any other game... *sarcasm*
CnC is just another fun game I like to play and mod. Same said to my other favorite games. Get over it, deranged fanboys/girls :V _________________ The future belongs to The Forgotten! QUICK_EDIT
The GDI ending looks like something out of a movie, a low budget one at that. Though, it is suppose to appeal to new players, not long time fans, the Nod one is suppose to appeal to the fans. QUICK_EDIT
Everyone just bitches and moans about C&C4 and hasn't actually played the game.
Actually I had the beta when it came out in like November or something and did play it. My opinion was formed from that experience.
I think what Mad meant was 14 missions in total, which is insanely low and cheap. Sure FS and YR had 14 missions, but they were damned expansions. WTF happened to like the 16 missions of the GDI campaign in TD (double that considering there were alternate versions)? Now we get only 7? AND THEYRE BARELY SCRIPTED? Someone is having a laugh.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject:
OmegaBolt wrote:
I think what Mad meant was 14 missions in total, which is insanely low and cheap. Sure FS and YR had 14 missions, but they were damned expansions.
FS actually has 18, 9 per side. And the YR campaigns are at least well done with several cool ideas.
No matter how you twist it and turn it, everything about C&C4 screams 'very short development cycle, low budget'. As if they wanted to keep costs as low as possible to make sure the game turns in a profit even if it sells relatively bad.
@Orac: Of course
The C&C4 dev team will surely work on things like video post processing effects, proper path-finding and new single-player missions right now, that will be patched into the game later.
Joshy, you realise Aftermath, Firestorm, and YR are.. .expansions, yes? Please tell me you do. As for the rest of your 'points', which are again, just fanboy opinions through very tinted nostalgia goggles, and a mix of stupidity, shove it. Please. DOOM has more ztyping depth then this shitty franchise. It'd probably have more respect, and be taken seriously by EA had the fans not be en idiots clamoring for remakes in 3D, provide actual feedback other then 'EA sucks, we want westwood back' or 'i miss tiberian sun'. The fans killed C&C just as much as EA. Get the ztyping nostalgia goggles off of your eyes.
No, you shove it.
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I haven't taken a side on this game, simple. I haven't played it. How are they "fanboy opinions through very tinted nostalgia goggles, and a mix of stupidity"? I was just explaining what MadHQ was saying before you came and acted like a douche. I could care less what EA puts out that has to do with CNC, my dreams aren't shattered. A game is a game, and you are simply judging it on looks and info gathered from here and there. Play it, and form your opinion. Else, shut up. That goes to everyone, including MadHQ. I'm not taking a side.
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'EA sucks, we want westwood back' or 'i miss tiberian sun'
Hmm, nope. I never said that. *Wonders what these fanboy 'glasses' are that you speak of*
So, shove that.
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Joshy, you realise Aftermath, Firestorm, and YR are.. .expansions, yes? Please tell me you do. As for the rest of your 'points', which are again, just fanboy opinions through very tinted nostalgia goggles, and a mix of stupidity, shove it. Please. DOOM has more ztyping depth then this shitty franchise. It'd probably have more respect, and be taken seriously by EA had the fans not be en idiots clamoring for remakes in 3D, provide actual feedback other then 'EA sucks, we want westwood back' or 'i miss tiberian sun'. The fans killed C&C just as much as EA. Get the ztyping nostalgia goggles off of your eyes.
NO U
I think cnc4 sucks because...
It has Joe Kucan.
Lol it was released today and no one has even posted it on their front page news. XD I think that the community couldn't care less anymore. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Joshy, you realise Aftermath, Firestorm, and YR are.. .expansions, yes? Please tell me you do. As for the rest of your 'points', which are again, just fanboy opinions through very tinted nostalgia goggles, and a mix of stupidity, shove it. Please. DOOM has more ztyping depth then this shitty franchise. It'd probably have more respect, and be taken seriously by EA had the fans not be en idiots clamoring for remakes in 3D, provide actual feedback other then 'EA sucks, we want westwood back' or 'i miss tiberian sun'. The fans killed C&C just as much as EA. Get the ztyping nostalgia goggles off of your eyes.
If C&C is as bad you say it is, why the ztype are you still here even giving a shit? It would seem to me that if you don't like something, you'd just distance yourself from it instead of hanging around it like a trolling douche. Oh right, you're Carno, you don't have a point and never will.
I have a novel idea - quit labeling others as looking through nostalgia glasses when you're no better. In fact, I would go as far as to say you're worse. QUICK_EDIT
It makes me appreciate Tiberian Dawn a lot. God. Tht was ztyping bad. Holy mother of God. the fanboys were right. Christ. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
well, i liked it though it wasn't faithful to the series. And the cnc4 coffee mug was cool. Just bought the collectors pack the day it came out. QUICK_EDIT
Hmm... The thing which really hits me about those endings is that neither has the musical score which was so good in Nod's TS ending.
There is no impact in either, and impact is something you can't go without in the grand finale. QUICK_EDIT
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I believe that no server, no picture, and no internets can handle a full representation of this fail. Ladies and Gentlemen, I suggest we walk away from this loss, hanging our heads high, knowing that we were once part of something that once was glorious, and we have laid it down to rest in peace.
RIP Command and Conquer
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I'm just glad I never really did care about the Tiberium storyline. Because holy shit, I would be disappointed in this.
I'll be getting Starcraft 2 in preference to this game. Much bigger singleplayer. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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I was actually considering buying this game. 98% chance I will not now. At the end of the Nod ending, just before Kane enters the portal, the woman looks like she's constipated.
The acting in those videos are the worst ever in any CnC game (I thought the Tib universe was supposed to be more serious?). I would be amused if I wasn't so blinded by rage.
Again, I will most likely be spending my money on something more entertaining. (it will be the first CnC game that I have not purchased)
Very, very disappointed with this. _________________
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Ok... I bought the game yesterday... And have only finished the Nod campaign so far...
**Possible spoilers
So far very pathetic! The missions were very bland at best. Between escorting and destroying crawlers, I have a hard time calling it a campaign. And I have never been so disappointed in a final mission before. The hardest part of the mission was trying to keep your self motivated to destroy this overpowered flying ship.
Lets talk about how stupid the story characters were. From what I remember in a video I saw that had Sam Bass talking about the story, and how they wanted to make the player have a deeper connection to the story. So what do they do? Make one of the main characters your "wife"... Ya like all C&C players are male. I know... I know that it was in a story mode, but when you reference her to you as your wife through out the campaign it just seemed like they were alienation female players. Just did no seem very smart to me. Now this Giddion (Spelling could be wrong) guy... Who is I guess meant to be a threat to all... did not seemed to be all that threating. The mission were you are attacking him tell he gives up, was just week.
Lets talk about this internet connection that is required to play even during the campaign. I have never been so ztyping annoyed by some thing in a long time! I guess my internet connection has hiccups or some thing, because I keep getting messages saying that my connection was gone and all further progress will not be saved. This would happen maybe every other mission, and it even happened half way through two of the missions. And once you get one of those you pretty much had to quit. Sure you could finished the mission but what was the point... they missions were so bland I had enough trouble just trying to keep my-self interested in it to finish the mission one time.
Game play: Sad... Thats about all I can say really. It did seem like an interesting idea, but it just feels like trench war fair. Theres absolutely no strategy, its just mindless clicking and watching. The population cap really hurts it I think. It just seems like you never have enough to do anything. You do not want to leave you command point or else you will lose it really fast. And I say this because I have watch as the AI has sent one ztyping unit to a command point I own, and removes my control over it. Ya you could leave a few units, but because you have such a small pop cap you need every unit you can get. Luckily, for the most part all you really have in a skirmish game is camp at one of the command points and just attack your opponent. As the end of the skirmish, from what I can tell is who ever either gets all the command points or gets to the experience point number. I do no know if you can win just from capturing all the command points or not... I have never bothered to try.
Balance: I have admit after playing just the Nod campaign and a few skirmishes the balance does not seem to be all that bad. It seemed as if EALA gave up the idea that pusher units were a good idea. I say this because I have yet to find a unit that is unstoppable or does an incredible amount of damage. This may be due to the low number of units you have and that this game really is not about timing or strategy like a real RTS. But I will say that the support faction has the upper hand. I do not know if its overpowered but it just seemed like I playing as the support faction for most of the campaign. This might just be because flying units take less time to get across the map.
The ending to the nod campaign really bothered me... I thought this was it? It just really seems like there could be a 5th game... Maybe something more elaborate then what they did would have made it more convincing that this was it... But its just that I feel that there is some unanswered questions and half-ass answers that I wish would have been addressed or better addressed.
Bla... I could say more but it is 3am here, I am kind of sleepy... and pretty disappointed by the ending of the nod campaign to really spend more time typing about it. _________________ MadHQ's Graveyard - Click here!
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