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Scorched Earth
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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject:  Ares
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I've been modding TS/FS and RA2/YR for over a year now. I have the basics down. I can pretty much do anything I want, save hardcoding.

I want to use Ares. So bad.


Call me retarded. I can't figure out how to use it properly. Whatsoever.


-I already unpacked the standalone version into my folder.
-I wanted to use the feature that would allow me to play YR without the CD.


How would I go about doing all this...? And yes, I have looked through the manual, gone through the forums, etc., etc..

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

make sure you have the following files:

Ares.dll
Ares.dll.inj
Ares.mix
Syringe.exe
RunAres.bat

if you do not have RunAres.bat, you will need to make it yourself, it should contain the following:

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Syringe "gamemd.exe" %*


and when you want to run the game using ares, you need to run RunAres.bat and not RA2MD.exe

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you.

Will this allow me to play without the disc?

I'm asking this primarily because it's messed up horribly.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

if you have a no-cd crack, then it doesn't matter; if you don't, then you need to apply the -CD tag, but there's a glitch that will occasionally occur, so the bat should read this:

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Syringe "gamemd.exe" -null -CD %*


that will ensure the logic gets applied

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Skyboy, is there a reason why you put "%*" at the end of the line?

I have never seen this used in any versions of Ares, even internal.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

that's for use in the batch file, it forwards all arguments to pass to the batch file.
so if you pass "-win -nologo" to the batch file, syringe sees "-null -CD -win -nologo"
if you don't pass any, syringe sees "-null -CD "

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I believe the Ares Documentation states you have to copy entire cd contents into the RA2 folder to make it work also.

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

aye, but to mod, you need those files as well; so i assume he has them

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PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I do have them. I have every last file on the CD copied into my directory.

I click on RunAres.bat to run it.


I get this:
Quote:
Syringe "gamemd.exe"


And yes, I'm trying to run it without the CD. Please, can you quide me through this? How do I apply the -CD tag?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

that's what's supposed to show up - it then starts the game (don't exit it). to apply the CD switch you need to right click on RunAres.bat and click edit; then add

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-null -CD


before %* but after "gamemd.exe"

the batch file should then contain the following

skyboy wrote:
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Syringe "gamemd.exe" -null -CD %*

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No dice.

I have done exactly what you said. With the CD still in, I run RunAres.bat. I wait, and I don't exit.

Then it closes, and I'm looking at the directory again.

I take the disc out, and run it again. Same thing.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You need to copy some or all of the files from the disk into the game directory, otherwise the game won't be able to find the files it needs.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've done this.

Well, I'm almost sure I did.

If I'm correct, there are only a few mix files that needed to be transferred from the cd into the directory.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

you also need the .dsk files, i believe

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Such as YR1.dsk?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You need to copy Entire CD contents into the RA2 directory for it to work. Then as SkyBot said, make sure when you click RunAres.bat it says Syringe "gamemd.exe" -null -cd %*[/quote]

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cranium wrote:
You need to copy Entire CD contents into the RA2 directory for it to work. Then as SkyBot said, make sure when you click RunAres.bat it says Syringe "gamemd.exe" -null -cd %*


Alright. Let me ask this then. How would I go about copying every last file from the CD into the directory?

I used XCC to extract all the files I could find and threw them into the RA2 directory.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

actually, when you run AresRun.bat just by double clicking it, it will say
Code:
Syringe "gamemd.exe" -null -CD


also check to see if syringe.log has been created; if so, post it after running AresRun.bat (and it fails)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no, do not extract them. goto My Computer, then right click on the drive which has your YR disk in it, then choose Explore, then highlight everything and right click, choose copy and then paste it into your RA2 dirctory.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Alright... I did that and tried to run it again.

Still doesn't work.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Code:
@ECHO OFF
CALL syringe.exe "gamemd.exe"
EXIT


That's what I use. You can add your own arguments if you want, but that works great for me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hmmm, thats all I did was copy/paste disc files to RA2 directory, then edited the RunAres.bat and it works just fine. I'm not sure what your issue may be. When you click on RunAres.bat does it say Syringe "gamemd.exe" -null -cd %* ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

do you have a file called "Syringe.log" ? if so, post it here

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No, I don't have Syringe.log.

Come to think of it, I didn't even know that it existed?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You probably don't have the log command enabled. Add -log to your bat file and that should create debugging information.

Though, I have to ask. Is your bat file in the \RA2\ directory or somewhere else? If it's not in the directory, it's not going to work... for obvious reasons I would hope.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

debug.txt gets written by -log. syringe.log should be written regardless, i'll check the source tomorrow to confirm

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Syringe.log is automatically written and should have been created the first time you ran ares. I'm leaning towards what HTX is implying, I dont think you have all necessary files inside the RA2 directory. You dont by any chance have them in seperate folders inside the RA2 directory do you? The only new file you should have in there is the Debug file, everything else should be out in the main directory area.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yes, syringe.log is automatically created/cleared then rewritten every time you run syringe, if you don't have it, you're not running it. make sure the files i listed in my first post are in the Ra2 directory where gamemd.exe is and not in any sub-directories; you do not have npatch or rockpatch installed and all of the Yr files are in that directory as well

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

skyboy wrote:
if you have a no-cd crack, then it doesn't matter,


yes it does.

Ares doesn't work with no cd cracks.

Scorched Earth:

go to your RA2 directory, and copy this into your address bar

Code:
Syringe "gamemd.exe" -LOG -CD


should work.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

my no-cd cracked game running with ares begs to differ.
ares isn't like npatch/rockpatch, it doesn't directly modify the exe, it changes what's going on while it runs

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MRMIdAS wrote:
should work.


And it does! Thank you very much.


The only thing is, it requires the CD to be present, but once the game starts, I can just take it out. RA2/YR runs perfectly fine without it, if not faster.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

"The only thing is, it requires the CD to be present"

Shouldnt require CD to be in the drive unless your missing files from your directory.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not only are you breaking rules of the forum by discussing warez, you're also a bit backwards. Why use both a no-cd and -CD?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have all the files. It still works.

I'll figure it out later on how to get it working 100% proper. I'm content with what I have.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

m7 wrote:
Not only are you breaking rules of the forum by discussing warez, you're also a bit backwards. Why use both a no-cd and -CD?


i didn't say both; and it's not warez, it's a modification to the EXE to change it runs, no different than npatch or rockpatch. and ares' no-cd option does (mostly) the same thing a no-cd crack would do, however there seem to be a couple issues with it still

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

skyboy wrote:
however there seem to be a couple issues with it still


I dont know, I havent had any issues with it, and I havent used my disk in five days now.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Okay. I did this on both of my computers. (One is a laptop, the other is a rig that I use to mod).

It works perfectly fine on one PC, no cd at all.

The other one requires the cd when I start up the game with Ares, but then I can take the cd out. It's not Ares that's the problem. It's my computer.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

how many CD drives does your PC have? and how many on the laptop?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Since YR has to be updated to work, it's not the multi-drive issue. The game probably needs a reinstall since this is Yuri's Revenge we're talking about and it can be a finicky bitch sometimes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

blame westwood. they do some weird shit in some places

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

skyboy wrote:
my no-cd cracked game running with ares begs to differ.
ares isn't like npatch/rockpatch, it doesn't directly modify the exe, it changes what's going on while it runs


is this the original exe that's been hacked, or a secondary exe? cos I know for a fact ares doesn't work with no cd cracks, as they, *GASP* modify the exe to remove the CD check stuff!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MRMIdAS wrote:
skyboy wrote:
my no-cd cracked game running with ares begs to differ.
ares isn't like npatch/rockpatch, it doesn't directly modify the exe, it changes what's going on while it runs


is this the original exe that's been hacked, or a secondary exe? cos I know for a fact ares doesn't work with no cd cracks, as they, *GASP* modify the exe to remove the CD check stuff!


you know this for a fact? so that means you're speculating without ever actually testing it?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

skyboy wrote:
MRMIdAS wrote:
skyboy wrote:
my no-cd cracked game running with ares begs to differ.
ares isn't like npatch/rockpatch, it doesn't directly modify the exe, it changes what's going on while it runs


is this the original exe that's been hacked, or a secondary exe? cos I know for a fact ares doesn't work with no cd cracks, as they, *GASP* modify the exe to remove the CD check stuff!


you know this for a fact? so that means you're speculating without ever actually testing it?


well, considering it threw an error on my brothers machine, thanks to vista deciding it wouldn't recognise any disks if you put compatibility modes on, hence the crack, I would say yes, I'm speaking from experience, one repair install later, everything works fine, comp issues are gone too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

sounds like you found yourself a virus, if it was giving you computer trouble. and i'm speaking from experience that ares (NOT npatch OR rockpatch) works on no-cd cracked games

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

skyboy wrote:
sounds like you found yourself a virus, if it was giving you computer trouble. and i'm speaking from experience that ares (NOT npatch OR rockpatch) works on no-cd cracked games


yeah, cos that'd get fixed by repair installing TFD.

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