Looks like its gona be one hell of a epic when its done. so when do you expect to finish this masterpiece ? _________________ Link to a document to see what mods i have and/or working on or working with
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I see it as a shoddy attempt to gain interest for your new site by using the name of a legendary network.
You personally don't have much to offer in the way of content either so most of it will have to come from other sites/people. The shp/vxl tools etc, why should I download them from your site instead of PPM? _________________
I see it as a shoddy attempt to gain interest for your new site by using the name of a legendary network.
You personally don't have much to offer in the way of content either so most of it will have to come from other sites/people. The shp/vxl tools etc, why should I download them from your site instead of PPM?
Banshee wrote:
Do you have authorization from Seth or whoever ran Eclipse before you ressurect it? Otherwise I'll see it as a rip.
It's not an attempt to start a new famous site, rather, if you read the little sentence below the logo, an attempt to unify everything and consolidate community effort into a well-designed, clean, easy to navigate website so that those newcomers and those who don't want to hunt and peck can easily figure things out from the get-go. There won't be forums, I will link to the existing ones. There won't be hosting, I will link to the existing hosts.
I'm sorry, but every community site is both horridly designed and badly organized, and I want to fix that. I'm sure that that fact, that none of the webmasters of the community seem to know how to organize and present content, has something to do with the seriously dwindling numbers.
So no, I'm not trying to make a shoddy comeback for a long-gone network, but the name is very representative of what I'm trying to accomplish. Besides, to answer your question Banshee, the original owners of the network announced that anyone wishing to create a community site with that name were free to do so provided it didn't suck.
The most glaring problem in my eyes is that while we have a very functional and dedicated community, the public faces of that community, in the sites that we visit, look like absolute shit, and make it impossible to find anything in less than 10 minutes. Look at the PPM homepage, with about a hundred thousand various links and sections in the left. That can by no means be considered easy to navigate, and problems like that are what I am trying to relieve in the creation of, well.
A modding hub. Not a network, not a rip of the original Eclipse, rather, a fitting use of a name that represents the good I am trying to accomplish in the effort of an organization of data.
I've been here long enough to see the glaring faults of the community, and I want to remedy one of them. That is all.
Deformat wrote:
Why wouldn't you take care of YR Arg and simply change its design to this one?...
Because YR-Arg is completely the wrong idea of how to organize information. This is 2010, not 2001.
And if I was completely changing the whole site over to this design, why would I want to use a name that both reflects the username of a long-gone operator, and a mod that was cancelled when he left years ago? That doesn't exactly scream progress. And perhaps neither does the reuse of the Eclipse name, but it certainly guarantees a beautiful logo and site design, which is what I have accomplished. And I feel it is representative of the goals I have. QUICK_EDIT
It's not an attempt to start a new famous site, rather, if you read the little sentence below the logo, an attempt to unify everything and consolidate community effort into a well-designed, clean, easy to navigate website so that those newcomers and those who don't want to hunt and peck can easily figure things out from the get-go. There won't be forums, I will link to the existing ones. There won't be hosting, I will link to the existing hosts.
1. When you only link then your site will be forgotten withing a few weeks. There is no need for a site without a community and that only links to others. Maybe someone will find your page, click on a forum link + 1 or 2 others and never come back.
2. Then you should learn something more about design. You cannot make a website 70% black.
Symphonic wrote:
I'm sorry, but every community site is both horridly designed and badly organized, and I want to fix that. I'm sure that that fact, that none of the webmasters of the community seem to know how to organize and present content, has something to do with the seriously dwindling numbers.
1. lol about bad design, read above.
2. lol about the relation to dwindling numbers.
Symphonic wrote:
The most glaring problem in my eyes is that while we have a very functional and dedicated community, the public faces of that community, in the sites that we visit, look like absolute shit, and make it impossible to find anything in less than 10 minutes. Look at the PPM homepage, with about a hundred thousand various links and sections in the left. That can by no means be considered easy to navigate, and problems like that are what I am trying to relieve in the creation of, well.
If you know what to look for you will find it in < 1 min. If you don't you will look for a tutorial and that are found very fast too.
Symphonic wrote:
A modding hub. Not a network, not a rip of the original Eclipse, rather, a fitting use of a name that represents the good I am trying to accomplish in the effort of an organization of data.
Modding without a community doesn't go well together. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
2. Then you should learn something more about design. You cannot make a website 70% black.
Actually, you're wrong here. It doesn't mean its ugly/badly made graphics. Graphics-wise, he did a good job. Tho on the more advanced part, with the modding hub, well, I dunno what to say. Last edited by Deformat on Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:21 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Actually,you're wrong here.It doesn't mean its ugly/badly made graphics.Graphics-wise,he did a good job.Tho on the more advanced part,with the modding hub,well,I dunno what to say.
Good. God.
Sometimes I think you're doing this deliberately.
And Brian, there could always be a sort of library where to easily find what you need, but a whole new site... I'm not sure if that is really necessary. We have PPM, we should keep improving it because it is worth it. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Actually,you're wrong here.It doesn't mean its ugly/badly made graphics.Graphics-wise,he did a good job.Tho on the more advanced part,with the modding hub,well,I dunno what to say.
It's not an attempt to start a new famous site, rather, if you read the little sentence below the logo, an attempt to unify everything and consolidate community effort into a well-designed, clean, easy to navigate website so that those newcomers and those who don't want to hunt and peck can easily figure things out from the get-go. There won't be forums, I will link to the existing ones. There won't be hosting, I will link to the existing hosts.
1. When you only link then your site will be forgotten withing a few weeks. There is no need for a site without a community and that only links to others. Maybe someone will find your page, click on a forum link + 1 or 2 others and never come back.
2. Then you should learn something more about design. You cannot make a website 70% black.
Symphonic wrote:
I'm sorry, but every community site is both horridly designed and badly organized, and I want to fix that. I'm sure that that fact, that none of the webmasters of the community seem to know how to organize and present content, has something to do with the seriously dwindling numbers.
1. lol about bad design, read above.
2. lol about the relation to dwindling numbers.
Symphonic wrote:
The most glaring problem in my eyes is that while we have a very functional and dedicated community, the public faces of that community, in the sites that we visit, look like absolute shit, and make it impossible to find anything in less than 10 minutes. Look at the PPM homepage, with about a hundred thousand various links and sections in the left. That can by no means be considered easy to navigate, and problems like that are what I am trying to relieve in the creation of, well.
If you know what to look for you will find it in < 1 min. If you don't you will look for a tutorial and that are found very fast too.
Symphonic wrote:
A modding hub. Not a network, not a rip of the original Eclipse, rather, a fitting use of a name that represents the good I am trying to accomplish in the effort of an organization of data.
Modding without a community doesn't go well together.
You can indeed have good design with all black. Also, a black page is better for the environment as when a black page is up, LCD monitors require more electricity to display a white page. :p
I don't really see why good design requires a bright page. That's stupid. It's a lot easier to discern white text on a black page than black text on a white page.
Ju-Jin wrote:
Modding without a community doesn't go well together.
At any rate have fun. Either this helps the newbies and community or it doesn't, can't lose anything by trying. As per CNC "Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell." QUICK_EDIT
Also, a black page is better for the environment as when a black page is up, LCD monitors require more electricity to display a white page. :p
That's stupid, its exactly the opposite. The backlight is always on and usually light can pass through the crystals.
Wikipedia wrote:
If the applied voltage is large enough, the liquid crystal molecules in the center of the layer are almost completely untwisted and the polarization of the incident light is not rotated as it passes through the liquid crystal layer. This light will then be mainly polarized perpendicular to the second filter, and thus be blocked and the pixel will appear black.
Symphonic wrote:
I don't really see why good design requires a bright page. That's stupid. It's a lot easier to discern white text on a black page than black text on a white page.
The reason for having a bright development environments and other stuff you look at for a longer duration is if you look at something dark for an extended amount of time the brain will go into sleep mode. Even not very long durations can produce small amounts of that reaction. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also, a black page is better for the environment as when a black page is up, LCD monitors require more electricity to display a white page. :p
That's stupid, its exactly the opposite. The backlight is always on and usually light can pass through the crystals.
Wikipedia wrote:
If the applied voltage is large enough, the liquid crystal molecules in the center of the layer are almost completely untwisted and the polarization of the incident light is not rotated as it passes through the liquid crystal layer. This light will then be mainly polarized perpendicular to the second filter, and thus be blocked and the pixel will appear black.
Symphonic wrote:
I don't really see why good design requires a bright page. That's stupid. It's a lot easier to discern white text on a black page than black text on a white page.
The reason for having a bright development environments and other stuff you look at for a longer duration is if you look at something dark for an extended amount of time the brain will go into sleep mode. Even not very long durations can produce small amounts of that reaction.
Oh, well, my monitor selectively disables the backlight where black is being displayed to provide for a truer black. It has a compact LED board behind the LCs rather than the standard CCFL.
It's a lot easier to discern white text on a black page than black text on a white page.
We can try that out
And the guys here can judge for themselves which contrast style is easier to read.
Might wanna mention, majority of major websites like wikipedia, google, twitter, facebook etc, all use white BG with dark text, so there must be something "more preferred" about that in the professional web design circles _________________
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Especially late in the evening, it is a lot more comfortable to read text from a dark background (by dark I don't mean black alone). Often after browsing, say, Petroglyph forums for a while I go back to browse PPM, only to dazzle my eyes. Bright background is simply less energy-efficient, and it puts strain on the eye, similar how watching close objects does. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
So... the current sites are ugly and far too complicated to navigate through, the solution to which is probably not to add yet another site to the mix. QUICK_EDIT
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