Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:29 am Post subject:
iMacs
Subject description: And their parts
So I got this school assignment where I make an offering to an imaginary client, where I am to set up two computer systems suited to this clients needs, that said client can choose from(basically needs a game pc).
The first one is an AMD system, the other is going to be an iMac, but now comes the problem:
I went to the apple store website to assemble an iMac, but.. they don't tell me what motherboard I get, and the videocard also remains unknown to me..
I really want to put an iMac in this offering because it's so different, giving me plenty of differences to list, but without a motherboard and a videocard to list in the specs, I kinda hit a wall here
Any one happen to know what's in there? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
The graphics card should be listed however for the motherboard its not something off the shelf, it's something Apple has specially made by Foxxcon its doubtful you'll ever find it's name. QUICK_EDIT
iirc, IMacs use ATI Graphics chipsets, and use their own motherboard I think. And the ATI graphics are 4000 - 5000 line of series, and future models of the Imac might contain the new HD6000 series. _________________ Please, I DON'T read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
They use ATI yea, and they have custom motherboards, the hard drives slot into bays and the SATA adaptors are on the board itself. Also RAM is installed onto a card that slots into the motherboard, my one i use at work has like 8 or so RAM bays. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject:
Why did you even bother choosing a Mac as an option for a gaming PC? If ppl use a Mac, it's either because they are into designing stuff in PS and related, or to show off that they have spend a lot of cash on a Mac.
Even tussendoor: deze opdracht klinkt me heel bekend in de oren. Ik moest vorig jaar rond deze tijd een zelfdesoort opdracht doen. Zit je toevallig op TI op Avans Hogeschool? QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:06 am Post subject:
I went for a mac because it looked to me like a good opportunity to learn more about these things. Especially when in the end I was to list up some differences/advantages/disadvantages between the machines I've assembled.
Mr. Imaginary client needed a machine that's capable of running "graphical applications" and "a game or two".
I was thinking a game PC should fit his needs quite well, even though the games themselves sounded like priority two.
ook even tussendoor:Nee ik zit op een andere school. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Location: Dordrecht, the Netherlands
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject:
Still, ditch the Mac, and get a real PC. Macs aren't that great for gaming, and the so-called 'advantage' they have for graphical editing is non-existing QUICK_EDIT
Macs used to be good for PhotoShop and the like but with the new hardware around, Windows can easily smoke any equivalent Mac.
Also, fuck the iMac. At least get a normal Mac desktop... unless I'm out of the loop and they stopped making them. >_> _________________ Discord: princess_marisa
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Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Less than 10 minutes from the internet
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject:
FurryQueen wrote:
Macs used to be good for PhotoShop and the like but with the new hardware around, Windows can easily smoke any equivalent Mac.
Also, fuck the iMac. At least get a normal Mac desktop... unless I'm out of the loop and they stopped making them. >_>
They still manufacture the Mac Pro desktop. Its specs are easily done in PC hardware for a smaller budget. The only thing I saw that was more powerful were the number of total cores available, however since alot of software still isn't parallelized to any degree, there is very little point.
Yeah, the reason that Macs were ever "good" at Photoshop was that they all used a standardized color-space, and you were stuck with that color-space. Whereas Windows versions made you select a color space, which means you would probably have to know which one you should choose. I guess Mac users had a hard time making a decision like that, so using a Mac was thought of as "better".
As for its supposed superiority when using video editors, I find that just because it comes with a video editor, doesn't mean you shouldn't go out and by a good one. iMovie? No thanks. Final cut? Nah, Im not paying for that. Ill take Adobe Premier any day. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Location: Teamblackistan Posts: Over 9000
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject:
mac's only priority is looking pretty, adding craploads of attractive-but-useless features, and making their stuff as thin and fragile as possible.
Stuff that's only good for show off to your friends who don't know any better.
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject:
Oh, well.. I already turned the assignment in.
Got a pass anyway, so my goal has been achieved
I mainly used the mac as a means of having something with lots of differences that are easy to point out, anyways.
But thanks for your input, I won't be really going for a mac anytime soon. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
dunno much about macs, but what i hear is that they're generally faster/better than "normal" computers.
It seams mac underclocks the processor to reduce heat and power use, but that's about as far as my mac knowledge goes.
Still then, go for a more "normal" pc as seccond, mac's to closed to get good knowledge off. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 19 May 2008 Location: Scotland, starting a Revolution Cameo: metricon. Posts:???
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject:
The only reason the hardware appears good is it is some one some where's job to make sure it all works together nicely and runns on a basic level with out error, Chances are if some one built a pc they didnt go to all this unnessasery trouble and most companys dont bother with making sure every thing is working together in harmony to the extent apple does. _________________ Creator of TS:BoB and some other things that might be good when finnished. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: evanb90 Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: o kawaii koto
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject:
FurryQueen wrote:
The-Light wrote:
dunno much about macs, but what i hear is that they're generally faster/better than "normal" computers.
I have a mid-range gaming PC and it would readily outdo just about any Mac.
^ this
Apple MacBook 15inch
Intel Core i5 2.4ghz processor
4GB Memory
320GB Hard-drive
Intel HD Graphics
NVidia GeForce GT 330M with 256MB
Acer Aspire 5745G 15.6inch (my laptop)
Intel Core i5 2.4ghz processor (i5-450M)
4GB Memory
500GB Hard-drive
Intel HD Graphics
NVidia GeForce GT 330M with 1GB (wait, why is the Mac variant 256?)
Apple Macbook: $1799
Acer Aspire: Less than $850.
So I ask this to Apple supporters. I am paying 1000 dollars for an operating system, lower specs and a "futuristic" white paint job? And "reliability" doesn't count, considering the mostly matching internal components- it's more a function of how well you treat the machine. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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We have macs at our computer lab at school and my 2 year old build with a 3.2 DC and 8800GTX graphics card blows these things to piss, and these Macs were bought this semester. I dunno what they are, nor do I care, but seriously, Macs suck and here's why.
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Also Known As: evanb90 Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: o kawaii koto
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject:
Reminds me of the I-Macs at my university's library. We use them for our Intro to Java Programming class.
My observations:
1: These are modern machines, but have absolutely piss poor performance. Atleast 3 times now I've thought the machine froze in their "bare-bones" university configuration, but they were only trying to display the Mac equivalent of "My Computer". Pathetic.
2: The machines weren't working correctly at all about 3 weeks ago. The latest software update was causing all sorts of mean and nasty crashing issues. Only way to fix it was by booting into Safe Mode and removing the updates. I thought Macs were "OMG PERFECT NO CRASHES EVAR". But hey, class was canceled.
3: The default mice are dollar-store quality in every respect.
I'd have more observations but fortunately, I don't have to use the crocks of shit, we're allowed to use our own laptops.
It's sad seeing such a bad product still exist on the market. Apple offers inferior products at a much higher price than their competitors and gets away with it riding entirely on a brand name. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Location: Star Kingdom of Manticore
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject:
The college I go to, the University of North Texas, ditched most of their apple machines for cheaper, more reliable Dell systems. Very few remain, and that's only at the Engineering research park where antiquated machines are the norm. When I was in high school, the Advertising Design teacher asked us to bring our own laptops if we had them to do Photoshop work as the apple machines didn't have the processing power to effectively do the projects she assigned. My second year they moved to Dell XPS, which were roughly the same price, and ran ten times faster. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Less than 10 minutes from the internet
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:24 am Post subject:
Last year, I went to a programming competition through my University's ACM branch. Myself and 11 other computer science & math majors went to Radford University for the day to compete with members from other schools. The machines they had us programming on were quite possibly the biggest waste of money I have ever seen, considering that they were used in a computer science lab...
Flat screen macintosh's with the stupid keyboard & mouse that nobody sane can use for serious typing, but with windows xp installed on them. They ran xp as their sole operating system, however it was only for one purpose: network booting ubuntu... *facepalm*. Radford, you stupid... low end pc's would accomplish the same ztyping goal... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:40 am Post subject:
Holy shit those things are crappy!
Thanks again for warning me, guys.
I'm glad I put this question here, doing so provided me with better answers than anything google gave me. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: evanb90 Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: o kawaii koto
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject:
Don't restrict your sources. Even though I strongly believe what I said about Mac being inferior is true, and others would probably say the same, relying on one source (and a internet forum at that) isn't always the best practice.
@Atari2600- Are you kidding me? Let me get this straight:
Your computer lab has Macintosh computers modded (as I am pretty sure they only intend Apple OSX to run as primary boot OS) to run Windows XP; and this only so they can boot a Linux distro?
Sounds like something only the Bureaucracy from Hell could accomplish. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Less than 10 minutes from the internet
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject:
EVA-251 wrote:
Are you kidding me? Let me get this straight:
Your computer lab has Macintosh computers modded (as I am pretty sure they only intend Apple OSX to run as primary boot OS) to run Windows XP; and this only so they can boot a Linux distro?
Sounds like something only the Bureaucracy from Hell could accomplish.
You heard right, cept for the fact that it was not my University's computer lab; I don't go to Radford. Screw that place.
FurryQueen wrote:
It would only be worse if that Linux distro ran Mac emulation software.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHHAHHA, oh man I wouldn't put that past them... _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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iMacs
