Fair Trial? The Mother F*cker ordered a hit that killed 4000 americans. He's just as guilty as the ones who carried it out. They "al-Qaida" led by Bin Laden attacked our country for no good reason at all! He got what he deserved. Everyone else who carries out his evil plots die, why shouldnt he? _________________
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A fair trial would have gone very quickly. Osama stands up, Osama is shown video of Osama saying that he definitely did it, Osama sit down, Osama shipped to Gitmo. QUICK_EDIT
Though I prefer the first option; Gitmo (with a little behind the scene torture). _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
Though I'm not 100% sure as to why we entered Iraq, I support the American troops where ever they are called.
So you basically support the senseless slaughter of humans for a purpose you don't even know ?
That isn't what I said.
I know why we went there, and I have no doubt in my mind that we are helping. What I meant by saying "I'm not 100% sure as to why we entered Iraq", I cannot ignore the fact that, yes, there do remain a few unanswered questions. But, though at times I may not agree with the leaders of America, I Support the men and women who chose to protect this nation and her people.
They are brave people who knowingly joined together to keep me, my family, my neighbors, their families, their friends, etc... safe.
That is what I meant by my last comment.
No matter what, I will stand behind our Troops.
Whether I'm wrong or not, that is how I feel and Nobody can change that fact.
and @ OmegaBolt
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Not to point out the obvious, but from what I've seen in scattered interviews with most middle-east individuals, terrorism isn't interesting to their cause. Violence and radical extremism fails where non-violent protesting has succeeded. Look at Egypt, and look at Libya.
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Though I prefer the first option; Gitmo (with a little behind the scene torture).
Just because he was a horrible person isn't a good enough reason to torture him. I was stating a fact rather than an opinion, although the fact that they shot him might indicate that the SIS/CIA already have all the information they want on the subject of Osama's lot. On the other hand, it might have been military carelessness.
@m7: Egypt is a completely different case to Libya. In Libya, the regime is much more blood thirsty than that of Egypt - they didn't succumb to the protests (instead they responded with violence). The Libyans don't want their nation reformed, they want the old regime dead and gone and a new country instead. There is the very real possibility that the east of the country will go back to having their own monarchy and the west will either fall into a different war or keep the current regime. QUICK_EDIT
it wasn't a fortified mansion, it was a school. the locals say that two choppers came in flying really low and after about 5-6 minutes alot of vehicles came in and the guys from the vehicles started yelling at the locals to back off. and the locals say that they weren't Americans
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Fair Trial? The Mother F*cker ordered a hit that killed 4000 americans. He's just as guilty as the ones who carried it out. They "al-Qaida" led by Bin Laden attacked our country for no good reason at all! He got what he deserved. Everyone else who carries out his evil plots die, why shouldnt he?
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Taken from your apparently beloved constitution. What's the point in having it if you pick and choose when it applies?
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Do you really believe that he would have gotten a fair trial anywhere?
You're probably right in that regard, but he at least deserved a trial. At the end of it, the case would be whether or not he actually ordered the attacks. I found this (British government but likely the same evidence) which interested me. They believe there isn't a strong enough case against him to prosecute, but this is eight years ago so things may have changed. _________________
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Leaving OBL alive would create a following, causing more trouble in the long run. look at Charles Manson, he still has influence over people even after so many years. This is the better of two evils.
BTW i have yet to see proof of his dead. Apparently the proof they have is to graphic, big hole in the head and brains all over the place.
And that is what they are telling people that have seen peoples heads being cut off
Not that i am a big fan of that kind of thing, far from it, but none the less you have proof, show us.
Telling us that they killed him and buried him at sea, yeah sure i'll believe that _________________ Last edited by Wess on Tue May 03, 2011 12:19 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Taken from your apparently beloved constitution. What's the point in having it if you pick and choose when it applies?
Theres a difference between civilian crimes and Military crimes. What you stated is how the civilian law operates. Military law is quite different, and the USA has 0% tolorence with Terrorists. _________________
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I stand by my belief that he should have been tortured, however immoral that may seem. Then again, I also belief that he should have been shot on sight regardless, which is what happened.
And Clazzy, Osama had no right to a trial whatsoever. Nothing in our constitution grants the right to a fair trial to our enemies in foreign countries. And if he were to be tried, it wouldn't have been in the U.S. They simply chose to kill him on sight, and I don't blame them. With the thousands of psychopaths following him, I wouldn't have risked taking him alive. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
Leaving OBL alive would create a following, causing more trouble in the long run. look at Charles Manson, he still has influence on people even after so many years. This is the better of two evils.
BTW i have yet to see proof of his dead. Apparently the proof they have is to graphic, big hole in the head and brains all over the place.
And that is what they are telling people that have seen peoples heads being cut off
Not that i am a big fan of that kind of thing, far from it, but none the less you have proof, show us.
Telling us that they killed him and buried him at sea, yeah sure i'll believe that
If he wasn't dead then he could just show he's still alive, destroying the credibility of the entire Obama administration. If he's not dead then the US government has a lot to lose by saying he is. Either they killed him, someone else killed him or he died of something medical.
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Bin Laden was trained in CIA camp to be headashe for Soviet forces in Afganistan.
And now this people tell us - he is an evil...
guys that didnt fun. You just got what you want.
One mad man VS huge country? That a really not fun.
And i'm doubt thats al-Qaida was destroy WTC - too big action for one small organization. May be you must look at CIA and US goverment? _________________ Everything not saved will be lost. :3 QUICK_EDIT
Leaving OBL alive would create a following, causing more trouble in the long run. look at Charles Manson, he still has influence on people even after so many years. This is the better of two evils.
BTW i have yet to see proof of his dead. Apparently the proof they have is to graphic, big hole in the head and brains all over the place.
And that is what they are telling people that have seen peoples heads being cut off
Not that i am a big fan of that kind of thing, far from it, but none the less you have proof, show us.
Telling us that they killed him and buried him at sea, yeah sure i'll believe that
If he wasn't dead then he could just show he's still alive, destroying the credibility of the entire Obama administration. If he's not dead then the US government has a lot to lose by saying he is. Either they killed him, someone else killed him or he died of something medical.
That, or he actually did end up somewhere else for a round of information extraction. Either way, the US government aren't expecting him back out in the public eye.
or, he died 2001, and US goverment blamed him for good resons. _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
Leaving OBL alive would create a following, causing more trouble in the long run. look at Charles Manson, he still has influence on people even after so many years. This is the better of two evils.
BTW i have yet to see proof of his dead. Apparently the proof they have is to graphic, big hole in the head and brains all over the place.
And that is what they are telling people that have seen peoples heads being cut off
Not that i am a big fan of that kind of thing, far from it, but none the less you have proof, show us.
Telling us that they killed him and buried him at sea, yeah sure i'll believe that
If he wasn't dead then he could just show he's still alive, destroying the credibility of the entire Obama administration. If he's not dead then the US government has a lot to lose by saying he is. Either they killed him, someone else killed him or he died of something medical.
That, or he actually did end up somewhere else for a round of information extraction. Either way, the US government aren't expecting him back out in the public eye.
I'm prety sure he is dead, but i want proof none the less _________________
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject:
Wess wrote:
Orac wrote:
Wess wrote:
Leaving OBL alive would create a following, causing more trouble in the long run. look at Charles Manson, he still has influence on people even after so many years. This is the better of two evils.
BTW i have yet to see proof of his dead. Apparently the proof they have is to graphic, big hole in the head and brains all over the place.
And that is what they are telling people that have seen peoples heads being cut off
Not that i am a big fan of that kind of thing, far from it, but none the less you have proof, show us.
Telling us that they killed him and buried him at sea, yeah sure i'll believe that
If he wasn't dead then he could just show he's still alive, destroying the credibility of the entire Obama administration. If he's not dead then the US government has a lot to lose by saying he is. Either they killed him, someone else killed him or he died of something medical.
That, or he actually did end up somewhere else for a round of information extraction. Either way, the US government aren't expecting him back out in the public eye.
I'm prety sure he is dead, but i want proof none the less
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject:
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Theres a difference between civilian crimes and Military crimes. What you stated is how the civilian law operates. Military law is quite different, and the USA has 0% tolorence with Terrorists.
And Clazzy, Osama had no right to a trial whatsoever. Nothing in our constitution grants the right to a fair trial to our enemies in foreign countries.
Tell that to Gary McKinnon. That's why extradition laws exist.
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With the thousands of psychopaths following him, I wouldn't have risked taking him alive.
Replace Osama bin Laden with Saddam Hussein. Last I checked, he had "thousands of psychopaths" following him and he was put on trial. _________________
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject:
He's not affiliated with any country, did not sign any treaty, Geneva convention or any other international documents to allow him a trial or any rights from any government whatsoever, as far as war is concerned.
He'll get his fair trial in the afterlife.
As far as the idea of it being a hoax, all that would be needed is for Osama to come out and say "HAI GUISE IM NOT DED K." I'm sure the gov't would have thought of that before making the announcement. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject:
Well I'm not the only one who seems to care about the problems with just shooting him. Also, he was unarmed when he was killed. Apparently he was "resisting", whatever that means in the context of being unarmed. _________________
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As far as the idea of it being a hoax, all that would be needed is for Osama to come out and say "HAI GUISE IM NOT DED K." I'm sure the gov't would have thought of that before making the announcement.
It is a hoax, but that does not mean OBL is not dead, it's just official now.
according to some he has been dead for years. Plus dumping his body in the sea, really? Just makes people like me ask even more questions. _________________
Clazzy, the U.S. doesn't HAVE to give a fair trial to foreigners in foreign countries. You have the example you provided, in which case he had a fair trial, and then we have Osama, who just got fucked up. That was my point.
AND, there's a difference between Saddam and Osama. For the most part, the majority of the Middle-Eastern population hated Saddam. Osama has FAR more loyal followers than Saddam did at his downfall. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
Bin Laden was trained in CIA camp to be headashe for Soviet forces in Afganistan.
And now this people tell us - he is an evil...
And here comes hindsight once again. I notice hindsight is always 20/20. Appears now is no exception. I was hoping to avoid this stupid bullshit, but someone has to prove me wrong.
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And i'm doubt thats al-Qaida was destroy WTC - too big action for one small organization.
Is it? Is it really? The way I see it, it doesn't take a country to go to flight school, jack a couple of jumbo jets and ram them into a pair of buildings. Seems like the perfect avenue for any size organization.
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May be you must look at CIA and US goverment?
Been there, done that. It's a conspiracy theory that just doesn't hold water.
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Apparently he was "resisting", whatever that means in the context of being unarmed.
What the hell do you think it means? It is possible to resist without a weapon, you know. _________________ KGR | AT
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:07 pm Post subject:
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Clazzy, the U.S. doesn't HAVE to give a fair trial to foreigners in foreign countries. You have the example you provided, in which case he had a fair trial, and then we have Osama, who just got fucked up. That was my point.
He was marked "Wanted Dead or alive" So it dosent matter. Whats done is done. _________________
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I dont know what to believe here. Who really did 9 11? Did Osama ever existed? Did he die December 2001?
US goverment, which is full of crap, lie all the time, say Osama is responsible for 9 11. Then there are lots of evidence proving that the US goverment themselves is responsible for 9 11. Its words against words.
To me, the evidence proving that the US goverment is responsible for 9 11 is more trustworthy information than the bullshit US goverment is saying. US gov can not be trusted anymore.
This stuff, all this is more complicated than we can imagine. Some say the reson US gov attacked themself 9 11/2001 is so they had a reson to start two wars and so they could get more support from their own people . And it makes sense tbh. Its called psychological warfare. Bush even did state terrorism against hes own people to get more support in his "war against terror", but in reallity it is just "more power for the american empire".
Unless I see some evidence that Osama is dead, I wont believe this tuff.
Also, do you americans ever consider why these people hate you?
I saw a clip, were an american politican spoke to his nation after 9 11. Then there was one guy in the audience who asked "What is the reson for this, why is the terrorists attacking us, what is their motivation?".
The politican anwser was "becuse they are radical islamist who are against out freedom and our lifestyle". That is completely fucking bullshit.The americans ofcourse as usual swallowed that information. I think you can figure out the real reson by yourself...... QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:44 am Post subject:
This thread is about osama dying. not anti-american bullshit. FistOfFire, how about you shove a fist of fire up your ass and get back on topic. kthx. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:59 am Post subject:
@ FistofFire: yeah liek in call of duty where the US kills all the civilians in the airport OMG CONSPIRACY.
ppl in high school know ALL about how teh world works.
Clazzy like I said before, Osama is not under the protection of any international treaties - he's not represented by any country or organization which signed or took part in them. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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I dont know what to believe here. Who really did 9 11? Did Osama ever existed? Did he die December 2001?
US goverment, which is full of crap, lie all the time, say Osama is responsible for 9 11. Then there are lots of evidence proving that the US goverment themselves is responsible for 9 11. Its words against words.
To me, the evidence proving that the US goverment is responsible for 9 11 is more trustworthy information than the bullshit US goverment is saying. US gov can not be trusted anymore.
This stuff, all this is more complicated than we can imagine. Some say the reson US gov attacked themself 9 11/2001 is so they had a reson to start two wars and so they could get more support from their own people . And it makes sense tbh. Its called psychological warfare. Bush even did state terrorism against hes own people to get more support in his "war against terror", but in reallity it is just "more power for the american empire".
Unless I see some evidence that Osama is dead, I wont believe this tuff.
Also, do you americans ever consider why these people hate you?
I saw a clip, were an american politican spoke to his nation after 9 11. Then there was one guy in the audience who asked "What is the reson for this, why is the terrorists attacking us, what is their motivation?".
The politican anwser was "becuse they are radical islamist who are against out freedom and our lifestyle". That is completely fucking bullshit.The americans ofcourse as usual swallowed that information. I think you can figure out the real reson by yourself......
Either you're really stupid, or you're a really stupid troll. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
I agree with him in a very narrow sense though. The American Government has a very checkered past when it comes telling the truth, I still don't believe what we were told about 9/11 is 100% true so this also raises questions. As far as I'm concerned, until there is photographic proof that Bin Laden is dead, it's just another lie.
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in any case I'm not too concerned on that matter: lie or not the truth will come out, and the world will keep turning. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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I dont know what to believe here. Who really did 9 11? Did Osama ever existed? Did he die December 2001?
US goverment, which is full of crap, lie all the time, say Osama is responsible for 9 11. Then there are lots of evidence proving that the US goverment themselves is responsible for 9 11. Its words against words.
To me, the evidence proving that the US goverment is responsible for 9 11 is more trustworthy information than the bullshit US goverment is saying. US gov can not be trusted anymore.
This stuff, all this is more complicated than we can imagine. Some say the reson US gov attacked themself 9 11/2001 is so they had a reson to start two wars and so they could get more support from their own people . And it makes sense tbh. Its called psychological warfare. Bush even did state terrorism against hes own people to get more support in his "war against terror", but in reallity it is just "more power for the american empire".
Unless I see some evidence that Osama is dead, I wont believe this tuff.
Also, do you americans ever consider why these people hate you?
I saw a clip, were an american politican spoke to his nation after 9 11. Then there was one guy in the audience who asked "What is the reson for this, why is the terrorists attacking us, what is their motivation?".
The politican anwser was "becuse they are radical islamist who are against out freedom and our lifestyle". That is completely fucking bullshit.The americans ofcourse as usual swallowed that information. I think you can figure out the real reson by yourself......
Nobody will take you seriously with your "OMGZ TEH AMERIKUNZZ IZ TEH EVUHLZ!!!!111" To make it digestible, you're an idiot.
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I agree with him in a very narrow sense though. The American Government has a very checkered past when it comes telling the truth, I still don't believe what we were told about 9/11 is 100% true so this also raises questions. As far as I'm concerned, until there is photographic proof that Bin Laden is dead, it's just another lie.
I point you to China's government. I will also point you to Watergate. The US government can't cover up a damn thing. _________________ KGR | AT
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 7:16 am Post subject:
Osama totally deserved a trial i think we should also follow European virtues and not have a death penalty for him either because i think keeping him alive in prison is a great way to spend my taxpayer dollars.
NOT. The fucker got what was coming to him, and just because Clazzy and three people felt he should have had a trial doesn't mean he deserved it.
Not that it would matter. In the US, he'd be getting a death penalty, so the end result is the same. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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I point you to China's government. I will also point you to Watergate. The US government can't cover up a damn thing.
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I am familiar with Watergate, but that doesn't change the Government's consistent lies. Believe me, I'd like nothing more than to know that we're finally being told the truth.
The truth would cause the system to collapse. _________________ KGR | AT
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Either way, the government lies. Every government lies to it's people, and that'll never change. Sometimes it's for the best. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
Either way, the government lies. Every government lies to it's people, and that'll never change. Sometimes it's for the best.
You just called FistOfFire an idiot, yet, you've just admitted that he's partially right? Though granted, he never really went the best way about expressing his opinion, as Fen said. I don't disagree with any of you, The American Government isn't entirely formed up of evil people, but they aren't exactly saints either. They are liars, regardless of whether it is for the better or worse. If we were all told the truth, there wouldn't be so many nut-jobs with their crazy missile-armed American Airliner conspiracies (just an example, there are far too many to list). QUICK_EDIT
Either way, the government lies. Every government lies to it's people, and that'll never change. Sometimes it's for the best.
You just called FistOfFire an idiot, yet, you've just admitted that he's partially right? Though granted, he never really went the best way about expressing his opinion, as Fen said. I don't disagree with any of you, The American Government isn't entirely formed up of evil people, but they aren't exactly saints either. They are liars, regardless of whether it is for the better or worse. If we were all told the truth, there wouldn't be so many nut-jobs with their crazy missile-armed American Airliner conspiracies (just an example, there are far too many to list).
No, I called him an idiot for claiming that a 100 ton jetliner traveling at hundreds of miles an hour full of jet fuel isn't enough to bring down a story or two of a massive skyscraper, resulting in the entire tower bringing itself down. EDIT: Just saw that he didn't claim this, but oh well. In my defense, it's probably the most common conspiracy anyway.
I also called him an idiot for saying that the U.S. government killed 4,000 of it's own citizens, along with attempting to blow up it's own military headquarters. This isn't MW2 where rogue military generals cause foreign invasions of the homeland. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
...simply cause it hasn't been posted in here yet and i got a bit of a laugh out of it.
it's more of FB humor really.
anyways...i'll just go back to growing tiberium on my grass now. _________________ Kalistia Crestland (2)
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lol ixith, i momentarily looked for the "like" button hahaha _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
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God Bless US Troops
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Should he have gotten a trial? Maybe. I don't blame the US for killing outright, though. I'd probably have done the same; it saves a hell of a lot of time. Obviously it would be a bad idea if we used that justification for everything, but when the guy has admitted responsibility on video, it's practically a nolo contendere. _________________
He was guilty. Honestly, if you KNOW a man is guilty, then why try him? Sometimes, the whole "wild west" way of justice just seems to work better than our current justice system. IE, Osama was guilty, and when they had the perfect chance, they didn't waste time popping a bullet into his ass. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:13 am Post subject:
I'm sure if the situation allowed, he would have gotten a trial. The operation was super risky: invading Pakistan without their knowledge or permission. They had to act fast and get the job done, or else Paki fighters would scramble and blow our choppers out of the sky _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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