Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject:
is flaming at noobs right£¿
recently on ra2diy appeared a noob that keeps asking ¡°how to make a carrier that carries 2 asws and 8 fighters¡± or ¡°how to make a submarine that can fire missiles¡± and even ¡°how to paradrop tanks¡±.all these led to all on the forum flaming at him£¬and at last he edited all his posts to¡°newbies dont have the right to post¡±.but he is not newbie he is noob _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject:
Flame on
Well, in defense of the noobs:
When doing a search on any forum... the result might not be helpful. I was looking for a topic I had posted some time ago a topic that I had started. I typed in the topic and had 4 of the 5 words (only typed 4) and got 16 pages of hits. I figured since I had those 4 words I should have gotten a better hit. Then added my name to started by, 8 pages. The same could be said about google. How many times have you seem a post that says help me...or just one question. The title of a topic should be clear and to the point, no retarded names of topics. We all start out as noobs, its just what you do next to define you down the road.
But noobs should look for tutorials before asking _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
No, the point is there is a big difference between newbs and noobs. People who do ztype all research, show no initiative what-so-ever and need everything explained to them step by step, which they still get wrong and don't even try debugging the problem themselves are noobs. QUICK_EDIT
Wait, you guys flamed him cause he asked something? (Even if something "stupid"?)
LOL, no it's not right, at least not with that reason.
It's perfectly justifiable if the person continues to ask dumb questions without even trying anything first. At some point, someone is going to get fed up and let the idiot know he's being an idiot. Some people can handle it. Most can't since they're douchebags.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't get the point in people (read: Banshee) trying to protect obvious morons. There comes a time when dancing around the issue of being dumb is no longer effective, at which point it needs to be handled directly. And by directly I mean coming right the fuck out and saying someone is being stupid and that they should cease that behavior.
I can only speak for myself but I am not interested in protecting feelings and not hurting them. Man the hell up and grow a pair if you can't handle it. Enough of this sissy bullshit about not telling someone they're stupid. Fuck that. _________________ KGR | AT
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Well, IMO, it depends an lot of the situation, i don't think it was right for example what happened with Nikademis, not about what he asked with 4 words, but how people did 16 pages for an single topic.
I know, i know, its the internet, but we need an little organization sometimes, and maybe everyone should calm down, sometimes its not really necessary, but, with some people it is necessary. (you do that best Furry. )
We should get more info of what happened, the "noob" really asked soo much?, it would be much effort to someone give him an link and say "next time, do like that"
We, as for Banshee, i would say, he does what he does...i dunno, maybe cause everybody deserves a chance, not everyone come for the internet well prepared , also, for organization, sometimes people reach an point where he start flaming everyone, for any reason (with most people do actually, only post in the topic something will not help, only make things worse.) QUICK_EDIT
You also have to keep in mind, that not everyone is mod savvy. Sometimes it takes others longer to comprehend things. To a brand new modder, the ini's might look overwhelmingand discouraging. Infact, some noobs dont even know where to find the ini's to begin with. These are the people you (we) should be helping the most, not bash them. Again, not everyone gets this stuff right away. Some people need to be told 3 or 4 times before they get something. Just help them out.
If you dont like what they post, then just move on, no sense in flamming someone cause they dont understand something.
Now if it's someone like a couple here at PPM who made like 30 topics in one week, "you know who you are" Then, thats a different story. Thats just being pure ztyping lazy and fair game for bashing/flamming. _________________
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Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:47 am Post subject:
add some information
flaming at him is not because of his asking but the amount of stupid questions.at first nobody flamed at him but then his dump questions flooded our forum.half of the first page was all his topics asking meaningless questions,all of them showed that he had done no research,but knows nothing about modding.first we answered "you should read that tut"but after that he did not post anything in that topic,as if he is not interested in the answer,but only posting dump topics.and then answers become "wtf are you asking,just ztype off and do the research yourself "
and the most funny thing happened:the noob posted "a song for us glorious noobs"
and then everyone got angry at him
in our community noob means who does nothing but asking,instead of looking inis himself.and he is proud of that!
and then he thought our forum forbidds newbies to post,we had to point out he is not newbie ,he is noob actually.is that some kind of curse? _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:47 am Post subject:
the problem is we dont have a crap subforum .as a moderator I cannot delte his crap topics or ban him(against our forum rules).Throwing thses crap to off-topic area is not the right way to deal with him imo.When he pissed me off(5 crap topics within an hour) I can do nothing but flame him. _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:51 am Post subject:
Then, change your rules to become able to deal with this kind of situation. Otherwise, you'll create a hostile environment in your forums that will not be appreciated by other newbie people who have nothing to do with this guy. QUICK_EDIT
You're being too aggressive kenosis, and I've warned you many times about it. There is no man who is purely good or bad, it only depends on who he meets, how he is treated, and what he gets. _________________ Fusion Reactor upgrade is complete.
Joined: 19 Aug 2009 Location: Moscow State University
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:19 am Post subject:
me?I am not the one to blame.
the noob posted "I am proud because I ask whatever I want to know",an invitation to flame.that's ok then.I was kind enough to tell him what to read,what to do,what to copy.but he just never listened !you have mistaken,his crap topics are there long before all members flamed him.
it is not how he is treated that makes him to behave like that.he is a noob.he thinks spamming forums is nothing serious.even when everyone told him not to spam,he kept on posting these shit topics.havent you seen so many members asking us to ban him?without me,sooner or later there will be someone fed up.
yes,communication.but what to do when the noob ignores all kinds of communication and posts crap for fun?and when he is flamed,he appears to be quite innocent,as if we banned newbies.and even edited all his crap to"in ra2diy newbies dont have the right to post or he will be flamed".WTF is that?haven't all members told him not to spam ,do some research before asking?he is ignoring all kinds of calm suggestions.and when the result of his behavior comes,he thinks he is innocent.he must have a PHD (permanent head damage) then.
point out there is only LH_Mouse that tries to defend this spammer.everyone else is against him.you cannot save all noobs,flaming away such one is not a loss to the community. _________________ Tired of grabbing my random SHP conversions? Why not learn to create SHPs for yourself? QUICK_EDIT
If someone deliberately acts stupid, action must be taken. Not by ignoring the culprit, not by flaming him, but for example by suspending his account for a few days (assuming he has been warned a couple of times). _________________ QUICK_EDIT
If someone deliberately acts stupid, action must be taken. Not by ignoring the culprit, not by flaming him, but for example by suspending his account for a few days (assuming he has been warned a couple of times).
Indeed, he's not an noob, he's an troll and an idiot, i think you have fully right to ban him or anything, cause, he's only making people angry for future new people and he's causing unecessary flame. QUICK_EDIT
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is flaming at noobs right£¿
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