Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:55 am Post subject:
Yuri Saboteur icon
Subject description: I figured out how to make Saboteur icon similiar to Mooman's used in YR:Squared
Hello guys!
I just made Yuri Saboteur icon, same as one Mooman is used in his famous mod YR:Squared. Problem is that his icon is not public. Well, I just made myself one that is public to everyone.
Well, I did not stole icon, I made it myself tonight, I found a way how to make it, looking about 80-90% same. And I provided a proof that resource is mine, and how I made it.
Thanks you for constructive comment Orac!
Well, I tried to do him as same is possible as Mooman did. His saboteur is still little more lighter colored I think.
And I did not figured out only his background totally how did he made.
Here is comparasion
Left one is Mooman's icon, right one is mine.
Sorry guys, I had to post in grey colors cause if I post his icon in color, it is same as I provided his resource.
You can see similarity from grey versions too. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
Do you have any link or whatever to prove that statement?
I do not think that they are public. He did not wrote it anywhere, I mean you can still use whatever you want from him and from anyone, nobody is going to kill you, especially he cause he doesn't care about mod for years. But still, if we are going to follow some codex of no touching resources which aren't public, then I offer alternative for this icon. Perhaps soon maybe I will make some more shp which looks identically as his or Cannis's. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
Do you have any link or whatever to prove that statement?
I do not think that they are public. He did not wrote it anywhere, I mean you can still use whatever you want from him and from anyone, nobody is going to kill you, especially he cause he doesn't care about mod for years. But still, if we are going to follow some codex of no touching resources which aren't public, then I offer alternative for this icon. Perhaps soon maybe I will make some more shp which looks identically as his or Cannis's.
Ignore bitchesbecrazy, it's EA shortbus. He's lying. QUICK_EDIT
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Ignore bitchesbecrazy, it's EA shortbus. He's lying.
Thank you Alex06, I am glad that you replied here.
Can you explain me what does mean ,,EA shortbus"?
Graion Dilach, thank you for posting here. I mean, really. We can talk normally, this all was pointless after all.
Anyway, how do you like this icon personally? I would understand even if you do not like, I need your opinion.
And that link you posted, it is good, but it doesnot have all pictures and it is messed up. Well, it is in archive, we cannot expect better. Anyway, anyone can use anything, not matter if it is public or not, nothing can stop him from opening mix file. Everything is based on Westwood work. Every modder knows for risk, there is no rule which can prevent that because community rule doesnot mean law rule. You can ban, blacklist, expel, but nothing will stop him from doing whatever he wants with stuff.
But I do believe in something different. I believe in modder's codex. Nobody should touch anything what someone doesn't want to. Anyone's work and wish should be respected. Simply because of sake of community.
Personally, I do not like someone is strict only for his mod only, but that is his wish. And we should respect his wish.
Of course, if , someone (like me in this case) find a way how is resource done, and make it himself, then it should go public of course.
In this case I found a way, my own way, not 100% correct as his, but still, and I released it with clean conscience, without anyone calling me ripper. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
Allied General, but since they quit modding years ago and do not care (Cannis and Mooman), does that mean that their stuff can be used, since there is no way out to contact them for permission? It was about 5 years ago since they quit. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject:
MasterHaosis wrote:
Allied General, but since they quit modding years ago and do not care (Cannis and Mooman), does that mean that their stuff can be used, since there is no way out to contact them for permission? It was about 5 years ago since they quit.
Respect. You should give the respect they did, and part of this is to not rip out things from their mods they didn't released to the public.
That applies to Eagle, Dethro and many other people as well who haven't released their stuff to the public. QUICK_EDIT
Allied General, but since they quit modding years ago and do not care (Cannis and Mooman), does that mean that their stuff can be used, since there is no way out to contact them for permission? It was about 5 years ago since they quit.
Cannis disappeared so I'd say don't use his assets, leave them where they best belong, in his legendary mod.
As for Moo, I think you may still be able to get in contact with him, I've seen him online from time to time. _________________ Folio.
Respect. You should give the respect they did, and part of this is to not rip out things from their mods they didn't released to the public.
Exactly, thats why I am making stuff which looks like theirs.
Graion Dilach wrote:
That applies to Eagle, Dethro and many other people as well who haven't released their stuff to the public.
Lee wrote:
Cannis disappeared so I'd say don't use his assets, leave them where they best belong, in his legendary mod.
As for Moo, I think you may still be able to get in contact with him, I've seen him online from time to time.
Ah no, no, I did not ask using for me, I asked if they can be used in general, because that guy said ,,Mooman ago said his all shit will be public".
I did not know that I should ignore what is he saying, Crimsonum is right.
Some people are just random talking without any proof. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject:
Could of sworn MooMan posted on the forums mooman rules was 100% public once, then later said he does not care if other stuff were used. Was on Revora I think. Either way, I will use his stuff.
FYI, the guest poster is not EAShortBus, and I do not know why you think he goes here to begin with. QUICK_EDIT
Man, this is serious business (in C&C community), using something especially from legendary mods, without proof that it is public.
I still cannot see links where the hell Mooman or Cannis said that their stuff will be public.
You can use them, but I am not sure if you are going to be on black list or not. Like Graion Dilach said, only from that link Mooman stuff can be ripped directly from mod because those stuff are public on pixelsops which is dead actually, only it's shadow is there in archive.
Do not think that I am now smartass and that I support those people whose work is for their mod only. Actually I am against it, I think everything should be free and for everyone, as their work is based for Westwood game and Westwood files. Authors of voxels can be real authors only if they make their own game engine, and that is fact. Its funny that I make game engine, and someone else is copyrighting his work based on my stuff! haha, I could never understand that. And his excuse would be,,I spend much time on making it". Well, its his problem, he know the risk what is he doing.
But still, rules are here for our good, rules are for everyone and none is excluded. This is how we work, and this is how we function, and there is no arguing about that.
My suggestion, if you are going to use some of Mooman stuff, use it as private, do not risk on releasing anything.
Currently its against rules.
Or you can wait me until I finish their stuff one by one. I have right to release stuff because I made them myself to look similiar as theirs. Of course I must post proof that I made it and how I made it. Yeah, you can guess.
I am actually making new one shp. This time, my target is Cannis. I am making one of his old stuff. And like this icon, I am making this thing from scratch. And I will release it public. I cannot promise anything, but I will try. Just wait some time, no need to rip anything. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:13 am Post subject:
blah blah blah. Black list is a joke and nobody uses it anymore. A dead mod is a dead mod, and dispite the fact you claim we need proof, the creator said we can use his assets several times, so thats that. As far as I am concerned about cansis stuff, I would only use it if you really badly want it. As for his mod being "legendary", the only thing legendary about it is the assets, the mod itself is unfinished and the assets are wasted and diserve so much more attention they will never get. QUICK_EDIT
Nah, I did not mean ,,blacklist" as blacklist, cause it is not even mature thing. They will blacklist you, and you will change name, and nobody will recognize you.
I mean that they will ban you actually immediately for using those stuff and releasing mod with them. Try it, you'll like it! Oh yeah, and that thread with mod will be deleted.
About Canni's stuff, well its matter about tastes, you may like it, someone may not. I like that Yuri's expansion vehicle, I cannot find similiar anywhere.
Anyway, I am finished with shp. I just made Yuri Expansion Node. Its very similiar to Canni's cause I found a way how did he build it, but it will not have animation, it will have less and totally different buildup frames, and different snow in snow version. But still looking almost same! Just need to test it ingame and make cameo and maybe in matter of hours you will have it public _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:44 am Post subject:
im not gonna be banned like anyone for using assets from a very dead and acient mod. Its one thing to go on a ripping spree and having units to be having it, its another to give that unit a major roll and not tarnish it. People see pretty stuff in mods like Mental Omega and Robot storm and know they want it, but not have a serious purpose for it, just knowing they can rip it and have it. That is wrong for two reasons, 1 is the mods are still active and the authors are still around and make it clear the stuff is not public. 2 is for just having it to be having it. I do not encourage ripping fron cansis' mod for he made it clear last time he was around that he does not wish for anyone to rip from it. However, at the same time its clear he does not care about the community or his mod being he has not been around for ages. MooMan however told over messenger to several people his stuff is okay to use and if you want my opinion, several people saying the same thing and not one soul comming out saying that mooman himself said they are not public is an obvious sign on its own... especially since he is on the messenger enough for random people like you or me to get a hold of eventually asking the same damn question.
Though just because mooman is fine with it, it does not mean you should rip everything out of the mod and have it with your other 100 units in the sidebar. Take the time to atleast take care of the assets and give them all a strong purpose. QUICK_EDIT
Yes man, I agree that they two are special cases because they left modding about five years ago, so you cannot contact them and have right to use their stuff because maybe they would give you permission. But you cannot check out because they are not alive in modding anymore, so basically you do not need to ask for permission.
But still, Graion Dilach wrote this:
Graion Dilach wrote:
Respect. You should give the respect they did, and part of this is to not rip out things from their mods they didn't released to the public.
That applies to Eagle, Dethro and many other people as well who haven't released their stuff to the public.
Does this mean to you anything?
Oh, and I just made icon for building, let me test ingame, pack it all, and upload here if everything is alright. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
Well, I did not know that he wants arguments, I though he was just normally talking. At least I had no attention to fight or argue with him. I just wanted to show him that this is not nice, because guy seems serious that he is going to use Mooman or Cannis private stuff. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:38 am Post subject:
I was not trolling, I was indeed just talking normally. I suggest you ignore the people that thinks they have everything figured out here since there is beleive it or not people here you should listen to. As for the giving respect statement, that is opinion based and a ridiculous one at that if you want my opinion. If you have a good mod and a good place for a unit from a dead mod, go for it. Anyone who thinks modders gives that kind of respect to begin with is stupid when we yank out civilization and other computer games out there without the developers permission when its obvious to begin with they do not want anyone else to use it.
FYI, just because you made it yourself, you still STOLE the design and is just as bad as ripping to begin with. That idea was not yours when you made this cameo, and it will not be when you make the node. You basically RIPPED the idea from them.
If you think you are going to be the Jesus of modding, perhaps think of the situation. You are illegally modding a game (granted, EA does not give a shit and encourages it) and you are copying other peoples cameos and structures just so you do not have to rip them and suddenly its ok to use their non copyrighted assets that are released to public. The reason people did not use their assets was because the mod was alive and well and would be unfair to use their stuff (including copying the artwork). Though being they are not using it for themselves and hardly anyone plays the mods, the units are not used. I do not personally rip from mods due to laziness, but I know it isnt "wrong" to "steal" assets from a dead mod in a dying community if I or anyone else can put better use into them.
Not like we are makin money off the shit and as far as I am concerned, if the mod died years ago and the creator is not around to say otherwise, just pretend its public. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:51 am Post subject:
I look at this whole mess this way…
If the mod is “Inactive” or “Dead” and you try to contact the author by given info in the “Read Me” but you get no response. You have three options.
1. Remake whatever it is from the mod you want you’re self.
2. Use whatever it from the mod but give full credit to the author in your “Read Me” so that if the author dose see your mod he/she knows you gave them credit and note in the "Read Me" that your tried to contact them with the give info. Plus they can request that you remove his/her work from the mod.
3. Give up on the idea and move on the next thing you want to do.
I find nothing wrong if you can’t make it your self to use option 2. You did every thing you could contact the author than use whatever it is from the mod and give full credit to them for it. If they don't like it they can contact you. _________________
FYI, just because you made it yourself, you still STOLE the design and is just as bad as ripping to begin with.
You are completely wrong. First, I did not stole design, again, I made it myself.
Secondly, to prove that you are wrong, we will look at reality little.
Look at Coca Cola company. They made Coca Cola first, everyone knows, and yet again in USA and in the world you have over 1000 version os Coca Cola's? And nobody is never sued.
Coca cola's secret is the most worth secret in whole Earth.
Mercedes was first one who made car, now you have over 100 automobile companies in the world. Doest that mean that Mercedes can sue any automobile company in the world for making cars today?
You have million versions of TV, and whoever first made TV should sue others?
No, in this world everyone can use everyone's ideas, because there is something called concurrency.
I can give you a hundred cases about that.
Okay now, lets move back to C&C modding.
You can see in mods for example how many Repair Discs we have. Well, someone got first idea about Flying saucers throwing out waves at vehicles repairing them. And now almost everyone is using that idea as repair unit for Yuri.
I did not know who made first trike voxels, but it was unique idea too because trikes did not existed in YR modding. And yet again you have few versions now.
Look how much stealth spies do we have. Someone made first stealth spy and now almost everyone is using it.
And nobody got sued for ,,ripping ideas because ripping ideas is same bad as ripping resources".
That is also stupid sentence. using somene's ideas is one thing, using someone's resources is another, you can say whatever you want, but its just your opinion, not the fact.
And I agree with Allen's statements kinds too. Guy got points. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
Well, to be frank, what I and others have asked Mooman directly for his assets in his mod(s) in past his reply has been always same, use as wish, just credit the man and just use what you need, no point consuming whole mod for sake of it, as for Eagle and others, it has been ask for permission business, I did way back regards Eagle's but haven't done much anything with them
As for my assets, i've judged my RS 1.99 (and earlier) assets all free share if somebody wants.
Cannis never wanted the stuff he didn't share to be used anywhere else than his mod, like it or hate it, won't matter, Cannis plain simply was hardcorely objected to asset theft which is no wonder given his past experience and the amount of effort in asset creation so personally i'd leave his stuff alone if your gonna do public mod. QUICK_EDIT
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Apollo never posted into my resources, we always exchange ideas and suggestions via PMs, but I am surprised now. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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