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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:21 am Post subject:
I've played one of Final Moon's maps, but forgot wich one. never played RVMech or Yoshi map tho _________________ Tiberian Station
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Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 3:36 pm Post subject:
RVMECH doesnt make maps from Random Generator, but he designs maps like the random generator does... errr... of course, better than the random generator. You guys can play maps from FinalMoon, RVMECH and Yoshi that are in TiberiumSun.com. Go to the Downloads -> Maps and check them yourselves.... it's worth your time. QUICK_EDIT
I edited my post above. I'm sorry if i offended anyone on this. I was just kinda pissed of..
btw i downloaded all the maps from Tumsun from RVMECH and i didn't like them.. so that's what's the base for my opinion. The Forgotten Realm map for Generals was great though.. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 10:18 pm Post subject:
No, Terror. They arent... How many times should I say that? RVMECH and SMIFF had an argue on that and he(RVMECH) said that he didnt knew how to do maps from Generator and I explained him how . QUICK_EDIT
Most, not all. I can tell because the map generator only places green tiberium and thats all RV's maps has, also the map generator places the same sized blobs of tiberium around the map. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 11:18 pm Post subject:
RVMECH tends to ballance the sides nearly equally when he design maps (specially the Generals ones). It's a fair way to make maps, but I think they look sorta irreal, since real world is not ballanced at all... But it's also not nice to give an unfair advantage any of the sides... QUICK_EDIT
I have every TS map by RVMECH and there are only 3 orso that are not RMG maps or converted RA2 maps. I can SEE Tierra Duro is made with the RMG cuz it looks very bad. And the tiberium and light posts are also just like the RMG places them.
Ah well, maybe we could praise him for the art of exactly copying RMG maps??
Still i hope he comes up with something much better than his former TS work.
The maps for RA2 and Generals were much better and he could indeed get his status as mapping god from these.. QUICK_EDIT
Ater he showed his skill w\ ra2 well i am beginning to think dvd is right for these reasons:
1:2 of his maps are identical only other theatre and VERY diffrent named!
2:Ra2's rmg did not allow conversion so he HAD to make his own maps.
But i AM HOPING i am wrong _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Hmm i wonder why in the competition rules they state that the trigger stuff and dynamic lighting isn't as important as layout etc... i mean the triggers Yoshi talks about seem really nice to me while i think that THE thing to make TS look GOOD, yes really GOOD, is good lighting...(you'll see in TSTW, and prob TSR as well) QUICK_EDIT
Anyhow, RVMECH is one of the greatest mapmakers around. He does *NOT* make his maps with the random map generator, and he has a HUMONGOUS portfolio of his work (unlike myself or Yoshi)... Yoshi made a lot of high quality multiplayer maps but they were lost when his dad reformatted his PC, so he's now only known for his singleplayer work, and his genius when it comes to answering mapmaking questions over at wagnerma.de... I only have one map up for download on TumSun, the others I made around the time that I made that one, I later decided weren't good enough to put up. However, I have made or worked on over 20 maps for Tiberian Sun Retro, that are going to blow your PANTS off, I'm serious guys!
Anyhow, even though RVMECH is great, and I'm going to be making the best map I can possibly make, I honestly think Yoshi's going to win. In fact, I sort of hope he does, I think he's the one who most deserves it. He's on the TSR team scheduled to head up the singleplayer campaign around 1.3 or 1.4, and he's already made one very kick-@$$ map for TSR, which, though I did update with a little more detailing (since he never finished) it's mostly his work, and it's extremely good. He did some things with the terrain that I never thought of, that actually produced one of the coolest effects in a map I've ever seen.
So anyhow... we'll see how it goes... And oh btw, I'll post some screenshots of my progress soon (soon as I have some progress that is ) and get the other guys to post em too. _________________ Over and out,
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i wish i were in the competition although i dont think i would win because im not as well known as fm, yoshi or rvmech although i can make quite good v. detailed maps for tactical and strategic gameplay
anywayz im voting yoshi as his maps look great, ive never played rvmechs maps or atleast i dont think i have, ive played canopy which is quite good and great for a first map.
but considering ive played yoshis singleplayer maps and ive seen knowledgebal on TS Mapping
i would vote RVMech if this were a generals mapping competition because some of this generals maps are amazing
finalmoon is a good mapper but ppl is know him for modding and graphics _________________ Tiberian Eclipse for TW
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Hmm i Canopy often crashed for me, weird enough.. but the idea is good with the multiple levels. It isn't "brilliant" though, as can be read on the TumSun maps page...
And i'm very interested with what RVMECh will come up with.. obviously since i still am 100% sure about what i said... well make that 99% for the sake of mathematical.... blalblablabla QUICK_EDIT
And i'm very interested with what RVMECh will come up with.. obviously since i still am 100% sure about what i said... well make that 99% for the sake of mathematical.... blalblablabla
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Never make an assumption. I studied the various maps made for TS for quite some time before venturing into it. If they look like random maps..so be it. I still very seldom use blue tib. I also make very fair and equal maps. If you don't care for them that is your right, however to accuse someone of something that i have denied over and over again tends to piss me off. Hence i do not make many , maps for TS anymore. I enjoy making maps, always have. Why deny myself the enjoyment I recieve by letting a program do it for me.
I have looked at the way random maps are put together..notice the many cliff edge errors and lighting errors. Now look at mine. Also look at my style in making crannies, then look at a random map. Bottom line, as a CONSUMER you have the right to complain and not use the product. But you have no right to critisize my style of art.
For the record, I'm rooting for Yoshi.
Have a nice day _________________ RVMECH QUICK_EDIT
Oh and btw, not all of RVMECH'S maps are RMG, never said that, some were converted from RA2, like Bridging the Gap (which is, quite honestly, a VERY good map) QUICK_EDIT
dont critise RVMech, he can make amazing maps, even if they r not for TS. his generals maps are totally amazing _________________ Tiberian Eclipse for TW
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Yeah the lighting is very good, but the map is still full of cliff, tree, terrain errors like in every RVMECH map that isn't RMG.. maybe he used an old FinalSun version, i dunno. QUICK_EDIT
Yeah the lighting is very good, but the map is still full of cliff, tree, terrain errors like in every RVMECH map that isn't RMG.. maybe he used an old FinalSun version, i dunno.
There are NO errors in the map. If I put a tree in the water that because that's where it belongs. If i use a cliff section and push it into the lat tiles that is because I wanted it there. TS ,and RA2 for that matter, are limited in there terrain. Takes brain to use the tiles in a differnt way to create a realistic scenario..jealous? can't figure out how to do something different? Stuck in a rut? I've seen your ideas of a good map. The last one I saw uploaded on this sight was atrocious..full of errors, bad lighting, g a y civilian staring unit ideas, and several tunnel tubes going nowwhere and serving no purpose except bloating the file........yet you thought it was excellent
In short, your biased and obviously have no idea what a good map is. You have not seen the map, you have not opened the map with FS or looked at it in the marble mix mode.
Until this contest started I had no idea you even existed, I have never seen any of your work let alone heard of any of your work. I never critisized you or attacked you. Yet you have gone out of your way to attack me and\or my work. Lets see some of your stuff..put up or shut up. Enter a map, show me your stuff
Just my opinion of your opinion
I'll even make it easy for you. I'll send my map to smiff right now and and still give you the last three weeks to make your own. That should keep it fair. lemme know.
Edit: Yoshi if you need more time that's fine by me. _________________ RVMECH QUICK_EDIT
Takes brain to use the tiles in a differnt way to create a realistic scenario..jealous? can't figure out how to do something different?
LAT tiles are auto connected by FS.. they are not meant to look cut-off...
RVMECH wrote:
Stuck in a rut? I've seen your ideas of a good map. The last one I saw uploaded on this sight was atrocious..full of errors, bad lighting, g a y civilian staring unit ideas, and several tunnel tubes going nowwhere and serving no purpose except bloating the file........yet you thought it was excellent
WTF are you talking about???
RVMECH wrote:
In short, your biased and obviously have no idea what a good map is. You have not seen the map, you have not opened the map with FS or looked at it in the marble mix mode.
I guess you do not want me to put up a CNCDEN screenie here, so i can show people the errors? You know, i don't even WANT to.. i gave my opinion on the screens from CNCDEN, and yes, i have critic, cuz it iritates me someone is known as a mapping god when half of his maps are RMG and the others contain annoying! terrain errors (while they're well though out)
RVMECH wrote:
Until this contest started I had no idea you even existed, I have never seen any of your work let alone heard of any of your work. I never critisized you or attacked you. Yet you have gone out of your way to attack me and\or my work. Lets see some of your stuff..put up or shut up. Enter a map, show me your stuff
There is a thread on a map with high detailing here on PPM (TSTW forum)
RVMECH wrote:
Just my opinion of your opinion
Just my opinion on the screens and your status as mapping god..
RVMECH wrote:
I'll even make it easy for you. I'll send my map to smiff right now and and still give you the last three weeks to make your own. That should keep it fair. lemme know.
Is SMIFFGIG the secret judge??? He's the one that agrees with me on this one AFAIK...
RVMECH wrote:
Yet you have gone out of your way to attack me and\or my work
I'm afraid i have but i just couldn't resist stating my opinion on it.. i may have gone to far (no joke) but i'm REALLY confused about what you seem to think is good mapping.. QUICK_EDIT
I have no idea who the judge is. I stated I would send it to smiff because, although he shares your opinion, he does not attack me personally. An opinion is just that, he is entitled to it as you are. I feel he is unbiased, and fair. I also trust him to turn the map into the judge as it stands now. This would make it impossible for me to continue working on it whilst you have three weeks to make one.
I never claimed to be a mapping god..that is a reputation foisted upon me by many many fans..earned or not..it wasn't my idea. Seems to me you are just a tad envious for all the wrong reasons..h e ll you don't even know me or anything about me nor I you. For all I know you could be some young cub wet behind the ears.
I got into C&C in 1996 at the rip old age of 47. I have mad maps for many other games..cnc is my favourite. I helped Matze develop FS and FA. I was contracted by EA to make maps for both Generals and ZH. I helped in the development of WB. I was contracted to make military training maps by Mellon Carnigie War college.
I feel my Experience as an older more mature gentleman and as a professional entitles me to some degree of expertice, whereas your off the wall statements show that you have no idea how FS or FA actually work or as to what half the tools are for. You could have pulled a screen shot of a not yet completed map from CNCDEN and pointed out any errors. I stated before the map as it stands at this point in time is error free.
Offer still stands.....put up or shut up _________________ RVMECH QUICK_EDIT
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