Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject:
Am I a ripper if...
I start from the beginning.
As the final of my visual programming course, I'll have to create a shoot'em-up. So last week I decided to gather assets from Spriters Resources, and during there I noticed this nice explosion sheet from Strikers 1945 III. (http://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/strikers1945iii/sheet/16101) The first thing I noticed on it that I was damned sure I seen the third explosion from that sheet (which ends at the credits), even if I never heard of the game before. Since then, I plan to convert some to my YR mod, but first I wanted to make sure to figure out my connection.
And 3 days later I found that sheet, I played TI and I noticed that's where the feeling come. I even checked out the mixes after, and yes, the anim is in TI with mirrored and recolored a bit.
Since TI assets are forbidden to be reused in other mods, am I a ripper, if I take those explosions and put them into my mod? Or in other words, could it be considered as ripping when somebody founds and reuses an external source of a mod asset? _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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The fact that they have "forbidden" assets that are conversions is ridiculous. _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
Imo it isn't ripping, as you're using the original source and not the modified version of the mod.
@ArvinCool: It is just a general phrase in TI. Or do you want to go through the 3000 SHPs and list each one of them if it can be used or not? And 90% or more are made by the staff members either from scratch and only a few by modifying some existing files.
To explicitly write down every asset and how it was build is simply impossible. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject:
ArvinCool wrote:
The fact that they have "forbidden" assets that are conversions is ridiculous.
Respect, kid, respect. It can be that some stuff are there are not forbidden, but since it's a general statement, it's easier to ask it.
Besides. In Quake 3 there are INDEED some maps and textures which are GPL (free) at one place and nonGPL at another. (EvilLair in pre-Xonotic Nexuiz and EvilLair on Level-Unity or how that's spelt) Go figure. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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You are not using actual TI assets, but rather assets that have been derived from same source or something very similar. There's no way you could be labeled ripper for that by any sane person. Leaving the whole 'is converting assets from other games etc. ripping by C&C community standards' stuff that's been discussed far too many times out from this one. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
You are not using actual TI assets, but rather assets that have been derived from same source or something very similar. There's no way you could be labeled ripper for that by any sane person. Leaving the whole 'is converting assets from other games etc. ripping by C&C community standards' stuff that's been discussed far too many times out from this one.
If I am not mistaken, he is going to take the TI assets to save time. He could convert it(again), but the output file would be exactly the same as TI's, so why not take it from TI?
That's how I understood it. _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
I wasn't even aware that some explosions were sprites from another game (since I didn't make those specific assets) so don't knock my asset usage decisions. In this case, no, I don't mind if you use said explosions on that website.
Also, why did you post this public? Why not just ask the direct question to myself or LKO permission via Private Message? QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:57 pm Post subject:
Because the resources are public, even if their place is unknown for the 99%. It's an aspect of me. Community has knowledge but knowledge defines community.
Besides, I wanted to make a precedent. The more mods emerge, the more times could this be a problem, and it's always easier to refer an example.
Not to mention, I want to extend the community's thinking, I doubt many of the people here ever heard of Spriters Database, not even checking it out and search for potential mod assets. FYI, I already converted some of the Tekken 3 anims from that page for EMP usage (Jin's hit FX, to be exact).
I know, finders-keepers, but meh, I never agreed with it.
@ArvinCool, you are an idiot. I won't reuse TI's. Not because of it being in TI, but after I seen the original, the recolor looks bad (no offense, but IMO it's too yellow). Not to mention, I seen only one explosion from that sheet, which has a lot. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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@ArvinCool, you are an idiot. I won't reuse TI's. Not because of it being in TI, but after I seen the original, the recolor looks bad (no offense, but IMO it's too yellow). Not to mention, I seen only one explosion from that sheet, which has a lot.
So how does that make me an idiot? Really how am I suppose to know that?
Oh I see, you are still mad because I made you look like a fool in PMs _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" Last edited by ArvinCool on Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:11 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Actually even Westwood's explosion textures for most part come from industry made effects packages and so do many games assets and some effects similarly can be seen in old movies.
Mine are custom and few from said effect packs so there is no problem with that one. QUICK_EDIT
Actually even Westwood's explosion textures for most part come from industry made effects packages and so do many games assets and some effects similarly can be seen in old movies.
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject:
lol and what I found/noticed is in the ReelExplosions2 pack on that same page. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:41 am Post subject:
Yep, already bookmarked it, first I have to cleanup my PC tho to gather. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Past C&C projects: Attacque Supérior (2010-2019); Valiant Shades (2019-2021)
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WeiDU mods: Random Graion Tweaks | Graion's Soundsets
Maintainance: Extra Expanded Enhanced Encounters! | BGEESpawn
Contributions: EE Fixpack | Enhanced Edition Trilogy | DSotSC (Trilogy) | UB_IWD | SotSC & a lot more... QUICK_EDIT
everyone uses reel explosions, it was westwood's stock explosions, it was the unedited TS explosions in the beta shots, and now TI is using them, i don't see anything wrong with that, everyone worked with that, the initial deal was to have the unedited versions, unscaled, un-recolored, to edit them for their own visual taste as how they might look even better, you can see it as enhancing the original TS explosions, it is basically nothing more than that, so it's not ripping, it's refining. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Am I a ripper if...
