Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:16 am Post subject:
911 Conspiracy theory discussion
Conspiracy theorists always looked at that, tried to riddle, asked, and tried to piece of the puzzle together, today i saw this on the net wich makes the conspiracy around this a horrible fact, pentagon was at semptember 11. hit by a cruise missile instead of an airplane, there is no way someone can demote what can be seen there. discuss.
It's 4 AM so I'm not reading the whole page, but even if it were a missile, it doesn't mean the missile could not have been of foreign origin. Don't ask me why they would cover that up. Still, it doesn't explain the plane debri.
What I'd want to know is what happened to the rest of the huge-ass Boeing 757? All they showed was tiny debri from the impact, but the entire hull of the plane was just...gone. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Not this thread again. This is only going to end in a bunch of flaming and a bunch of hard headed individuals being even more hard headed and creating a cesspit of drama completely and totally unnecessary for the already dramatastic /ppm/
Why did you even bother to bring up the one year, one month, two week old post from an noncredit news source? QUICK_EDIT
Not this thread again. This is only going to end in a bunch of flaming and a bunch of hard headed individuals being even more hard headed and creating a cesspit of drama completely and totally unnecessary for the already dramatastic /ppm/
Why did you even bother to bring up the one year, one month, two week old post from an noncredit news source?
Seen it just jet, and because it's disturbing footage some stubborn people don't want to see, i can understand that americans who believe in their country don't want to have any kind of evidence that they might be wrong.
but wanting and getting are entirely different things.
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It's 4 AM so I'm not reading the whole page, but even if it were a missile, it doesn't mean the missile could not have been of foreign origin. Don't ask me why they would cover that up. Still, it doesn't explain the plane debri.
What I'd want to know is what happened to the rest of the huge-ass Boeing 757? All they showed was tiny debri from the impact, but the entire hull of the plane was just...gone.
Well, it could be, or not. We might never know.
Also about the debris, this is old and explained in theory, the debree that was found and shown i magazines and such were from an entirely differen't Airplane type, first off, there was a bunch of metal on the ground, and only 1 turbine, much too small for a passanger aircraft of the designated type according to "aero mechanics".
The Aircraft that supposedly crashed into the pentagon was later found still in service.
also take a peek this is what the crashsite looked like from pentagon
the grass is seemingly untouched, with the "few" bits of debree. where is the other turbine, where is atleast the tailsection? where are the wings? do you think the whole plane, a boeing type, vanished in that small hole?
And no, i don't want any kind of shitstorm occuring, for once i want a down to earth discussion. If anyone doesn't like the theme of the threat, look away. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:27 am Post subject:
Do I see a silly troll trying to stir up a shit storm on these forums based on shoddy unbacked evidence? On an event in another country that he knows little about?
Why yes, I do!
PPM never fails to deliver. Idiot. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Freedom of speech and to criticize are not neccecarily trolling dear EVA. One should be open mindet and may reflect if your truth might be wrong, or more interrestinly, show me evidence that it wasn't that way other than your belief, maybe you're right. And please, don't spare me with your arrogance, you know less much about my country or europe than i do about yours. and why is that? because america is everywhere, i just need to go outside and walk down the street or watch tv, it's omnipresent. and so is your attitude. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook Last edited by blubb on Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:47 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
This explains why there's no fucking plane, Aro. At the speed it impacted, a majority of the plane would have been vaporized. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:55 am Post subject:
You harvest corn for Aro.
I harvest corn for Aro.
Therefore we ARE Aro.
Also, why is it confiscated? Fuck if I know.
All I know is that too many Americans died that day. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
Indeed, dear daTS. Once again science trumps all. A huge fact to point out in the difference between the tower impacts and the Pentagon impact is the fact that the two planes struck the buildings in a turn, losing much of the forward momentum that could have been harnessed. The plane that struck the Pentagon came in head on, flying downwards mind you, increasing its speed. The damaged area of the Pentagon is roughly the size of the wingspan of the 757 if you use the surrounding vehicles as a scale reference.
These planes are made out of aircraft grade aluminium. They are NOT designed to hold together in the event of colliding with buildings that have been made to withstand earthquakes and indirect nuclear attacks (like the Pentagon.)
Another perpetuated statement is the fact that aircraft grade fuel "cannot melt steel."
NO ztyping SHIT.
However, (brace yourself, science is coming)
One does not need to melt steel to reduce its tensile strength significantly. Once the struts are incapable of holding the huge amount of weight from the upper towers, they fell, as science dictates.
But, I humored the link and looked at the video on the website. I was intrigued at first, but my classic "bullshit checklist" kicked in.
It was 2001, most cell phones had a much better DPI than the toaster that video was taken with. This is a tactic used by hoax artists to confuse the viewer and add an air of authenticity to their videos.
Two, and this is the most important point. THERE IS NO FOOTAGE OF THE IMPACT OR AFTERMATH. Why in the ztype would someone film the object flying in, and then NOT film the aftermath? That footage alone could have been worth hundreds of thousands of dollars and you're telling me that they didn't catch it on film? Bullshit. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
ok science is good, explains the process, but the video can't still possibly show a 757, if you look closely , there are no wings you would notice at all, no engines, just a short, very very short and small stick.
and why was the supposedly crashed airplane still in service after the incident?
well the footage is from a security camera, and they still have really bad quality, the press released footage with the 2-3 frames have the same quality, doesn't show anything beside ....just the explosion. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:06 am Post subject:
Yeah, missile impacts just happen to leave aircraft debris around where they hit
You know, black boxes. Nose cone. Landing gear. Cockpit seat.
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The footage from the security camera is not on the side the impact occurred on, er, at least not DIRECTLY on the side. It is angled in such a way that it is not a perfect perpendicular lineup with the building.
The footage on the website is so poor that it is difficult to see what anything is at all, and as I said before, it is probably fake. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:17 am Post subject:
Regulus wrote:
The footage from the security camera is not on the side the impact occurred on, er, at least not DIRECTLY on the side. It is angled in such a way that it is not a perfect perpendicular lineup with the building.
The footage on the website is so poor that it is difficult to see what anything is at all, and as I said before, it is probably fake.
It's the way the loonies operate. Low quality picture and video is easy to manipulate. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Well ok, this argument could go on until clearer evidence would surface or someone involved would speak up, your points are valid, but there is a mud of possibilities and scepsis that keeps either standpoint away from being a fact, i'm not fully conviced that this is the exact way it happened and that it was a plane but it may aswell be and i could be wrong.
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I'm not sure if any "footage" after 11 years can be taken seriously in any way.
People had 11 years to photoshop the hell out of everything. This goes for both federal and conspiracy theorists footage. I don't trust either them or the U.S. QUICK_EDIT
This explains why there's no fucking plane, Aro. At the speed it impacted, a majority of the plane would have been vaporized.
I've heard this before, I just found it very hard to believe. I guess it doesn't vaporize in a sense, just collapses into a million tiny pieces. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Oh my god RP. The plane's material wasn't annihilated in a violation in the preservation of matter. Srsly? Do you even science? These pieces every ztyping where are proof that the plane was shredded to pieces when it impacted with the building.
I would have thought it more fake if there were huge pieces of debris everywhere.
Plane crashes that leave behind huge pieces of wreckage didn't hit the ground at 500mph like the plane that hit the Pentagon. Those crashes were somewhat controlled crashes. The Pentagon impact was deliberate impact with the building. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
I'm not sure if any "footage" after 11 years can be taken seriously in any way.
People had 11 years to photoshop the hell out of everything. This goes for both federal and conspiracy theorists footage. I don't trust either them or the U.S.
This. I'm not sure what happened at this time, then again I'm not convinced that everything told by the US was the pure truth. Yet, I don't bellieve in these theories either. I just think, that a part of the truth is hidden for the 'normal people', if you understand what I mean _________________
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I leave you with the number one reason why 9-11 was an actual event and that no one conspired within our government to commit it. I cannot speak for what happened AFTER 9-11, but the events that took place were committed by non-U.S. individuals seeking to do harm to this country.
Think back in history for a moment to a little thing called WATERGATE. This scandal was blown out of the water almost immediately after it happened and it involved 98% fewer people than those involved in 9-11. The media went APESHIT and the Democratic Party was all over it like white on rice because it was POLITICAL AMMUNITION.
If there was ANY credible evidence that the GOP staged 9-11 to push a political agenda, it would have been touted by the Democratic party like a fresh kill in a starving village. If such evidence existed, the Republican party wouldn't exist any more.
The same thing can be said about all major conspiracy theories. If any of them were true, a major political force would tout them, not some kid in the basement of his mom's house looking for how the government unjustly screwed everyone into going to war with a nation that most people couldn't find on a map at the time. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
@FurryQueen: Chill out hot shot its just a normal discusion not an urban fight in bagdad.belivie what you want to let the other say what they like dont just turn up the heat in this thread your only making it worse no offence man. QUICK_EDIT
Conspiracy theories are ridiculed, that is why no one takes them seriously even if some of them seem to make a lot more sense than what we see. Not everything that is told officially may be truth, i think you made your experiences in smaller fashion when you bought something and it wasn't what it was praised for.
Also, not too long ago there was a theory about a secret congress held anywhere , every year in europe with the most powerful people, away from the public eye wich in itself is against democracy. for a long time it was considered a theory or a myth, until one of our politicians mentioned this group on live TV and how the opposition was invited and they were not unlike the year before. "Bilderberg group" the financial elite. Last edited by blubb on Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:57 pm; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
Al Quada wanted dead Americans.
The US government didn't really care about American lives.
9/11 happened.
Al Quada was happy.
The US government (practical as always) used it as a great trick to distract people from actual problems.
That's all there is to it.
The conspiracy is right there in the open, for everyone to see.
Close your (airport security) eyes for a minute, only 3000 dead, and you get a great political boost in power! As well as the Patriot Act and all kinds of cool new powers that come from PEOPLE BEING AFRAID OF NOTHING!
Remember, the US government survived the Cold War. They won't start sweating until civilian casualties start numbering in the megadeaths. A couple thousand dead won't have any government official break out in sweat. QUICK_EDIT
No one can deny that fact. The American government probably let the event happen, and probably planned on what was going to happen in the event that it actually happened.
BUT
They didn't PLAN it. They merely used it as a catalyst, which how any major political action occurs. An event that catches the world's eye occurs and those who can respond do respond. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
No one can deny that fact. The American government probably let the event happen, and probably planned on what was going to happen in the event that it actually happened.
BUT
They didn't PLAN it. They merely used it as a catalyst, which how any major political action occurs. An event that catches the world's eye occurs and those who can respond do respond.
You think it could have been stopped? _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Probably not without people going apeshit about the secruity that was going to be needed to prevent a group of individuals from hijacking a plane.
Here's the thing. It doesn't take any stroke of brilliance to comeup with the idea that running a large object into another large object will cause massive destruction. Three year olds with Tonka toys discovers this for Christ's sake.
Now, lets say the government even mentioned the idea. The public would go ztyping nuts. So...you tell me...was it preventable? I think yes, yes it was. Would anyone dare to make the idea that it could happen known? Probably not. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Airplanes are always in contact with the tower and the tower can see the routes they fly, if 3 airplanes radically change the course, at that point they would have known atleast that something is wrong, one should think the airspace above major cities above the US is coordinated and being tracked.
Even then i'm not sure if the time span would have been enough to scramble defensive measurements, but someone must have seen the course. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Like Israel's 200-400 HIGHLY ILLEGAL nuclear weapons.
If Iran had 200-400 highly illegal nuclear weapons, it'd be a smoking crater right now. For 10,000 years.
Yeah, i think that is pretty scary, and scarier is that out of the blame of german history we sell submarines to israel at special discounts wich are capable of nuclear ammunition. this isn't right in the slightest also. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Sooo...we shoot down American Planes with American passengers in them...which would ultimately result in the same state of affairs that we are in now. Great idea.
Difference between Iran and Israel? Israel is a Parliamentary Democracy and Iran is a Unitary State. No one holds supreme executive power in Israel. The Israeli Prime Minister can't just nuke anyone he wishes. Ali Khamenei holds supreme power and anyone that has THAT kind of supreme power is dangerous to everyone in the international community. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly said that he wants to destroy Israel. I haven't heard Shimon Peres say anything about nuking Iran, which apparently they have the power to do so. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject:
Are people still debating about this?
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Difference between Iran and Israel? Israel is a Parliamentary Democracy and Iran is a Unitary State. No one holds supreme executive power in Israel. The Israeli Prime Minister can't just nuke anyone he wishes. Ali Khamenei holds supreme power and anyone that has THAT kind of supreme power is dangerous to everyone in the international community. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly said that he wants to destroy Israel. I haven't heard Shimon Peres say anything about nuking Iran, which apparently they have the power to do so.
To be honest, I don't even care about whether Israel is a democracy or not. I don't even care that their history is already covered with black ops and false flags that make the CIA look like puppies rolling in the snow.
No, the fact is simply this.
If you have nukes, you have responsibility. And Israel refuses to take that responsibility. That is in my eyes a greater risk to global stability than a pathetic Iranian 1kt bomb that will probably crash down on Irani soil or some other North-Koreanesque fiasco.
Really, when a country like Pakistan, with all of its internal power struggles and problems can just say "We take the responsibility for our nuclear technology", what's keeping the Israeli's from taking that responsibility?
They think they're magical nuclear special princesses that don't have to listen to the law?
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Are people still debating about this?
One foggy video is enough to debunk 11 years of painstaking forensic & scientific research, and about a zillion eyewitness accounts
Conspiracy theories don't die. They stay alive, become building blocks for the next generation of conspiracy theories...
Actual conspiracies just become forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:28 pm Post subject:
blubb wrote:
Airplanes are always in contact with the tower and the tower can see the routes they fly, if 3 airplanes radically change the course, at that point they would have known atleast that something is wrong, one should think the airspace above major cities above the US is coordinated and being tracked.
Even then i'm not sure if the time span would have been enough to scramble defensive measurements, but someone must have seen the course.
Of course they did. They just assumed it was a routine hijacking and the terrorists would make demands, land the planes, release the passengers, and that'd be the end of it. The crew and passengers on each plane assumed that, as well. That's why they were able to hit the twin towers and the Pentagon.
blubb wrote:
You think it could have been stopped?
Clinton's administration had no fewer than THREE opportunities to get rid of bin Laden and they passed up all of them. Would killing him have stopped the attacks? Dunno, probably, but there's no way to know now. From what I heard the FBI had also warned the new Bush administration that such an attack was possible but they didn't want to create a panic like Regulus said and didn't want to act on it until it was too late. _________________
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Given the way Al Quada works, I doubt killing Osama would matter.
Even during those ancient Clinton years.
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Cannot be bothered reading the whole thread, but here's my opinion. I am sorry if Regulus beat me the punch on this one, he tends to voice the same concerns as me on this variety of thing.
Conspiracies are all blown apart by the same basic issue. There's an old addage that "Two people can keep a secret, as long as one of them is dead." This is especially true of conspiracy theories. The number of people who would need to be threatened or paid off or just plain evil is so astronomically high that it's near certain that some properly creditable source should have come forward to unveil the plot - be it that they suddenly grew a conscience, that they were blackmailed, that they feared for their lives when a death squad was sent after them, or that they told all their secrets in a deathbed confession.
So since we don't have any creditable source from within the conspiracy, which would have required a large number of people to perpertrate, the conspiracy deepens. The only other explanation is that the US government, or whatever secret society is running the world (please don't blame the Jews. They're actually nice folks) os hushing things up and keeping all evidence from coming to light.
This has two issues of its own:
1) This is a government who would argue about what day of the week it was if the Democrats and Republicans took opposite sides. You're saying they can not only mastermind a plot to kill thousands, but can also hush up the plot afterwards? I call bullshit.
2) Every time a conspiracy theory site or blogger comes up with some new piece of 'proof', they should logically be targetted by the conspiracy. If they're not being hushed up then the conspiracy should be falling apart under the pressure of all this 'proof'. Since the conspiracy still deals in sweeping claims and fringe accusations, this is clearly not the case.
So yeah. Conspiracies are a lot of effort to manage. If it's being managed well there should be no evidence at all. If it's being managed badly there should be all the evidence. Since it is neither, it's probably not a conspiracy.
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United 93 was a very moving film. I was truly, deeply moved by the final sequence, and it is perhaps the only time I was given vertigo in the comfort of my own living room. It may not have happened like the film portrays, since the individuals who could tell us the exact chain of events died in the crash... But that's the point... They died. And calling it all a conspiracy insults me. I'm not even American. I've never even been to America. It's just like "You folks gave your lives in a notably unpleasant manner to prevent a grotesque event, but lets shift the spotlight onto the secret conspiracy of people who planted explosives in the twin towers." QUICK_EDIT
2) Every time a conspiracy theory site or blogger comes up with some new piece of 'proof', they should logically be targetted by the conspiracy. If they're not being hushed up then the conspiracy should be falling apart under the pressure of all this 'proof'. Since the conspiracy still deals in sweeping claims and fringe accusations, this is clearly not the case.
The problem is see with this is, since a few years, the media and internet is bloated with informations in a way most people can' take it seriously anymore, let alone consider something a possibility as opposition to a established story. The gov won't need to prepare death squads or anything of the likes since no citizen would trust the other or take a consideration and people who blatantly would scream" shuddup it was that way" wouldn#t help the case, it's not neccessarily insensitive to discuss a matter like this if there weren't concerns, especially with really a lot of people who are sceptical about it. It's either Fox news tells you because Fox news says it is that way, or shutting off the TV for a moment and just take a possibility into consideration.
But it works fine, hence why no one would need a threat or even a death squad.
Remember the wikileaks thing with that scandalicious statistic and the disturbing videos of irak? the civil kill count thing?
It's gone and never really touched anymore and it was legit scandalicious source material, the government didn't need to intervene, the people made it so it was "out", just by not talking about it.
edit: if the government in this time would tell you there were aliens on the course to earth and it was true all the time.
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How many times do I have to say it? WATERGATE. Proof positive that there is no conspiracy because neither party would be capable of keeping their mouth shut about it. Just like the moon landing. Why the ztype would the USSR let the USA blatantly lie about landing on the moon? They could track the whole mission like we could. They had WAY to much to gain by calling bullshit, and they didn't. Why? BECAUSE IF ztyping HAPPENED. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
i'm reffering to the time, watergate was 79's ? population was a lot smaller back then and more narrow mindet, influence and manipulation way more limited.
today all kinds of truths and lies can be either created or blatantly happen as facts, population is significantly bigger and way more conversation takes place.
Also money would be a powerful ally.
You know, then, take a look how the human psyche works especially in a dramatic event, someone could say anything he'd seen, the conversation partner would believe it by looking at the aftermath because that is the only reliable source so far, and that would spread like a virus.
You don't need to hide anything anymore in certain things.
I'm not talking specifically about 911 but about conspiracy theories in general, what is truth and what is lie is and will be blurred, for some like to live in a lie believing it's truth or for some believing in truth but in reality is a hoax.
Another example, there is in the last 2 years, so much new ufo footage coming up. it is either a hoax or not, there is really good footage tbh to see there, but by god, who would believe that?
scary thing is , if an individual maybe you would capture an alien by pure luck on your shitty handy cam, and you would just know it was as real as it gets, guess what happens if you upload the footage into the web. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Difference between Iran and Israel? Israel is a Parliamentary Democracy and Iran is a Unitary State. No one holds supreme executive power in Israel. The Israeli Prime Minister can't just nuke anyone he wishes. Ali Khamenei holds supreme power and anyone that has THAT kind of supreme power is dangerous to everyone in the international community. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly said that he wants to destroy Israel. I haven't heard Shimon Peres say anything about nuking Iran, which apparently they have the power to do so.
I am not going to deny that Iran is ruled by a group of fanatic fundamentalists. But Israel being a democratic state?
What makes a state democratic? Election? Iran have that to. Iran ban other parties? Hey Israel do that to!
They call Israel a democracy despite the fact that Israel has no constitution; despite the fact that Israel is defined as the state of the Jewish people, providing special rights and privileges to anyone in the world who is Jewish and seeks to live there, over and above longtime Arab residents. This, despite the fact that Israel bars any candidate from holding office who thinks the country should be a secular, democratic state with equal rights for all. This, despite the fact that non-Jews are restricted in terms of how much land they can own, and in which places they can own land at all, thanks to laws granting preferential treatment to Jewish residents. This, despite that fact that even the Israeli Supreme Court has acknowledged the use of torture against suspected "terrorists" and other "enemies" of the Jewish state.
Hmmm...The Israel gov looks more like extremists than secular people to me.
According to numerous different translations, Ahmadinejad never used the word "map," instead his statement was in the context of time and applied to the Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem. Ahmadinejad was expressing his future hope that the Zionist regime in Israel would fall, not that Iran was going to physically annex the country and its population.
What they have said multiple times is that they will destroy Israel in a retaliation.
Israel threat to bomb Iran all the time. They are even tried to get US to invade Iran. _________________ "I'll be staying strapped cuse my mac-eleven make my nuts bigger" QUICK_EDIT
I am not going to deny that Iran is ruled by a group of fanatic fundamentalists. But Israel being a democratic state?
What makes a state democratic? Election? Iran have that to. Iran ban other parties? Hey Israel do that to!
That's why there are three political parties in Israel. A left, right, AND centrist party, which is better off than the U.S. is doing right now.
Israel has what is known as a uncodified constitution based on common law written in various places. The United States, in contrast, has a codified constitution, with one document being the location of all the rules for the government.
There is no "SUPREME RULER" of Israel. The Prime Minister, who is governed by whatever political body they have that serves as parliament serves as a check and balance.
Third, EVERY nation limits non-citizens. The US does it. Israel does it. The ztyping Roman Empire did it. That's why it is called CITIZENSHIP.
Israel may not be secular, but neither is Iran. Your argument is invalidated there. Islamic Republic, nuff said.
Ali Khamenei is the SUPREME RULER of Iran. He answers to no one, and while he may or may not be a ruthless dictator, the fact that he holds supreme power over the military is a dangerous prospect and one that makes the west hesitant to allow Iran nuclear armaments. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Since years Iran is harnessing nuclear power, no one hindered them, on the other hand iran didn't lay a finger on any trigger, i consider it a stalemate and it would be better off that way since they would not throw this away.
But right now israel is pleading everywhere for help and in our magazines are lined up with titles like "israel is ready for war".
I don't know, most of you wouldn't remember the cold war and how it felt to be on the verge of nuclear warfare, but provoking and going for plans like this is endagering an already unstable situation. Supporting israel is basically like, provoking the soviet wich were stationed in cuba with their hands on the trigger.
Doubtful if that it is just a show off.
On the other hand, Iran can make demands, wich is why the western world would probably support israel. Either way a dangerous game.
But so far, the american government is holding back and seemingly don't want to meddle with israel, as far as i know they would be against it. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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