Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject:
You Vote 2012! Tiberian Dawn: Renegade Edition Polls Open
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Tiberian Dawn: Renegade is looking for opinions! Head on over to this poll in the Tiberian Dawn: Renegade forums and cast your vote about which version of the famous Ezekiel's Wheel you want to see in the Tiberian Dawn: Renegade mod. Act quick! Voting ends November 5th.
Each candidate provided us with an image just for the occasion. So will you side with the left or the right?
While you are there, be sure to check out the unit database, as several new vehicles have been added and more are on their way. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. Last edited by Regulus on Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:41 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
no. See unit and building design and you know during which time it plays.
In addition do you see characters from C&C TD in renegade like Dr. Möbius.
If you watch the renegade FMV's, you can even see it using the C&C TD game on some screens as their userinterface. e.g. on board the gunboat that sends Havoc to the coast. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
It is set near the END of Tiberian Dawn, and does not occur after the First Tiberium Conflict. TD:R incorporates several aspects of both games and takes a creative license in making an "interpreted" version of the original game setting. For instance, most European maps will not feature roadless medieval hamlets, but rustic and functional cityscapes, not that I wish to imply that this mod's campaign takes place in Europe, because it doesn't. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
C&C1 takes place in the late 90's, Renegade in 2020 and Tiberian Sun in 2030.
C&C1 ends somewhere in the late 90's too.
Note also how Mobius in C&C1 is a young ginger haired scientist in C&C1 but old and grey in Renegade.
Nod's infantry and tanks are completely different from the TD ones and resemble TS more closely, Nod has a elite Black Hand laser chain gun infantry (not in TD), stealth infantry (not in TD), volt auto rifles (not in TD) and infantry that don't wear urban camo, instead wearing red jumpsuits.
Nod tanks follow their TD arsenal for the most part but except for the Stealth Tank all of them look different. The Light Tank is optimized for high speed combat and doesn't resemble a Bradley anymore, the Flame Tank is in between the TD and TS versions, the APC also sits in between the TD and TS one (GDI has the TD APC), the artillery unit is not a Howitzer but a South African artillery that also exists in real life (though I can't remember the name). The Buggy is different too and also resembles an intermediate form between the TD and TS ones.
Both rifle infantry units use a non-existent fictional rifle that resembles the TS rifle, GDI has a Grenadier that uses a weapon to fire the grenades (even though the engine handles weapon-less grenadier units just fine), GDI uses another Rocket Launcher artillery unit that has a different name and shoots 6 tracking rockets at the same time. The $1000 anti-tank infantry for GDI uses a prototype ion cannon weapon and Nod's version uses a rail gun that looks like Ghoststalker's rail gun, GDI has two Tiberium based rifles, which given how non-researched by GDI Tiberium was would be impossible for them to have during the 90's.
That is to say that Renegade is not part of either TD or TS but is set in between, though the fact Kane appears does raise questions. The whole "Renegade's world isn't over run and terra-formed by Tiberium at all" thing could be explained by 1) Exponential growth of Tiberium in the 10 years between Renegade and TS and 2) Renegade is set in Europe which is more of a green zone in terms of Tiberium infection. QUICK_EDIT
Yea a lot of aesthetics were changed on the infantry, tanks, and structures as it went from a 2D over top battle field look to a 3D FPS look in which you see much more of the details.
I always saw Renegade taking place at the very end of the events in TD. Which is why the last Renegade mission takes place in the Temple of Nod from TD. And like LKO said...TD view and buildings are shown in some of the cut scenes. The one I remember most of is this one (skip to 2:25-2:40ish)
as for the actual purpose of this topic...
I'm not a big fan of massive amounts of remap like the one on the right has. However the one on the left does seem off a bit for some reason. I'll go look at some of your other vehicles for the mod and see which one fits best with those before I actually vote on the poll. _________________ Kalistia Crestland (2)
In Soviet Russia, grass grows on tiberium! QUICK_EDIT
Renegade takes place at the end of Tiberian Dawn and does not "fill the gap." The reason why all of the units and such are so different between the two games is because the team in charge of the game was not the same team, and the art director shifted gears in the middle of production to what we see now. Just look at all the pre-release game images that can be found all over the net. Renegade IS set in Tiberian Dawn. End of story. Irrefutable. Think what you want, but it is simply the case. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Regulus you might not understand this but just because you claim something does not mean it's true, you need to support what you think with facts.
Here's the facts:
Renegade takes place in 2020 according to the manual, and C&C1 ends somewhere in the late 90's. Tiberian Sun starts in 2030.
The pre-release images were from before the project was restarted, the project started in 1996 or 1997 before TS was even released yes, but after EA told Westwood to re-do the game they shifted the timeline to something in between TD and TS. Initially when the game was still code named Commando it was set during TD, they shifted the timeline to allow for liberties with the game's world and Nod's arsenal.
>12 march 2020
>Initially led by the enigmatic but reclusive Kane
Before the game was redesigned to look in between TD and TS:
-The Harvester looked like the TD ones (the final Renegade one doesn't)
-The Buggy looked like the TD one (The final one doesn't)
-Nod soldiers had urban camo like in TD cut-scenes (in the end they have red-black colored jumpsuits resembling the TS ones)
-The commando looked like the TD one, he is Logan in the final game (Havoc doesn't look like the commando)
-The Flame tank looked like the TD one (in the final it's intermediate somewhat between the TD and TS)
-The Light tank looked like the TD one (in the final it's a completely different fictional tank)
-The recon bike looked like the TD one (in the final it looks in between the TD and TS one (from the TS cutscenes)
Another important clue is the UFO close to the Temple that you can enter in one of the final missions.
Solomon at the start of TS is surprised of hearing Kane is still alive saying mankind has forgotten about him, that wouldn't be the case if TD ended in around 2020.
In Renegade Nod has advanced Tiberium human experimentation (the plot resolves around this) with advanced Tiberium mutants. While in C&C1 the toxic effect on humans is only solely noted cross way the campaign.
The game does have major plot holes that doesn't tie it towards either game but it's supposed to be set in 2020, in between the two games. These plot holes are Kane and the assault on the Temple. They are leftovers from before the Renegade project was restarted and when during this phase the game was still to be set during TD.
The second mission in the final (the one with the FMV resembling the first GDI mission in C&C1) was supposed to be the first mission in the game, this can be seen from the map name used internally, the first mission in the game was supposed to be one of the latter ones. This second mission is called m01.mix, while the third mission is called m02.mix etc.. QUICK_EDIT
BTW do you need a copy of the Beta tanks? They're based on the C&C1 tanks and look pretty cool so it would be a great experiment to turn them into voxels. QUICK_EDIT
Where did you find this? I don't have this in my copy of the game folder. Second, if there is truly a "second" conflict, why is it never mentioned in CNC3 - 4? They even mention in CnC3 that Havoc was a veteran of the first war. If there was a second war and they were trying to push the fact that there was, wouldn't they try to reinforce that position?
It is assumed that the original story concluded with the GDI victory at Sarajevo, and then Kane returns from hiding at the beginning of TS. From what I have gathered, General Solomon is supposedly the commander from TD, so of course he would be surprised that Kane is still alive.
I honestly think that the 2020 is a typo. Consider this: the release date of Renegade to the EU was March 1, 2002. The date is March 15, 2020 on the page that you posted. I smell a clever but hasty coincidence that was executed incorrectly and resulted in the typo. I'm not saying it is fake, however, I am saying that all of the evidence, mine and yours, is circumstantial and there are no "official" stances stating that the conflict in Renegade is separated from TFTW.
While most of the graphic art style doesn't make heads or tails of the date, there are a few things that happen in TD that I feel were expanded upon in Renegade. The Biological mutation that we see in Renegade is mentioned in Tiberian Dawn, albeit briefly and without much detail in one of the GDI missions. Nod is shown to have a much more detailed knowledge base about Tiberium than GDI, and Kane makes it a point to talk on these points whenever he is listening to the GDI EVA broadcast about Tiberium. I believe that project Regenesis is just a continuation of the germination of a seed that was planted in TD, nurtured in TS, and the elaborated on in Renegade. The whole mutant thing wasn't in Tiberian Dawn simply because Westwood had not thought of it yet, at least, not in the capacity that we are presented with in Renegade.
Tiberian Dawn's end date is never stated in Tiberian Dawn anywhere, but I have never seen any literature that states that Renegade took place in 2020 with the exception of that one piece, which appears to be a minor brevity at best.
As for your second offer,
I "remake" all of the models to a lower poly count because it tends to have a better voxelization than the higher detailed models. Its like, taking a block of wood and whittling away at it when I take it into the voxel editor. Thanks though. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
Ren takes place during TD. It's just an alternative take, where the facts don't match up Ren isn't canon.
Just like how RA1 fits in with TD and TS, but RA2 doesn't match up.
It's not suprising since Ren had some pretty big story and design changes during development.
And WW was never really good at cleaning up old shit from manuals, after all, I have ztyping MINIGUNNERS in my TFD manual. Still, after all those years, they still use the term minigunners that's probably from the days that TD had actual minigunners as light infantry and was all Cyberpunk: The Wargame. QUICK_EDIT
If someone wants to open a debate thread about Renegade and Tiberian Dawn, I will gladly participate, but let us not get politics involved in the voting polls. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
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You Vote 2012! Tiberian Dawn: Renegade Edition Polls Open
