Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:
C&C Community Doomsday Roundup!
Subject description: Is it the last news before the end?
Hey everyone!
I'm wondering how many of you are still alive? Of course, I'm not serious when I do this question. You know, today, people say that the world wll end. They didn't specify the exact time that it will happen and the timezone. People may blame the mayans for creating such apocalyptical event, although the mayans have never predicted the apocalypse itself, just the end of a cycle. Cycle of what? That's not clear. So, I'm not gonna lie to you: I do not believe that the world is ending today. Nonetheless, it is fun to create jokes around this prediction.
So, taking that in mind, how bout a news roundup of our C&C community joking about the so called doomsday? So, here we are with the exclusive:
C&C Doomsday Roundup:
-> Command & Conquer's official community manager Eric Krause has organized a C&C community summit that happened last week. He invited 14 lucky community leaders to visit their studio to play the current alpha of Command & Conquer (Free to Play). PPM had no representant at this community summit, unfortunately. And I'm really jealous of this people. Afterall, they were the only people in the world (outside Victory Games studio) that have ever played the game. Since the world ends today, nobody else will ever have this priviledge... Ahh! Too bad! The worse thing is that their secret will die with them, since the NDA would only expire after there is nothing left of Earth.
Here's a video that shows the opinion of some of them about the game:
-> CnC Galaxy is the newest site to join the C&C community. It's a site that covers news about the latest C&C games and mods. Too bad that its history will be just few days long, since tomorrow the server that hosts it will be nowhere to be active, since it might be destroyed at the end of the doomsday. At least PPM had 12 years of history.
-> If you wanna have a happy end of the world, here's a good tip: you can play Command & Conquer 95 straight from the browser. Aditya Ravi Shankar has recreated a couple of missions from the game using HTML5. Even some of the original videos were included. The only problem I've seen from playing it is that the path finding algorithm could get some improvement, but that's one of the hardest things to do when you recreate a C&C game.
And that's it for today... and perhaps, forever. At least, there will be no more poverty, hunger and violence in the world. Also, as someone who lives in Rio de Janeiro, I'm really sad that there will be no more World Cup neither Summer Olympic Games here . I know it is already december 22nd in Japan, but it is still 21st at Hawaii and other places. Good luck for everyone and enjoy the doom. Last edited by Banshee on Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:09 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Banshee, here happened end of world. Everything has been destroyed in my country only I survived somehow, sadly. But luckily I still got internet.
Nah, Banshee, people here mostly do not believe in such shits, fairy tales about end of world in exactly date and time for commercial purposes. This day is awesome proof why we were right. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
I'm missing the Churrascaria in Rio and even more now that they'll be all destroyed soon. (Also farewell to my Churros salesman at Ipanema beach)
To bad there is no Acai here, to cool me down when the lava flows and meteor fires reach my home. Can see the orange/yellow horizon already... _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Brazil is big and i didn't know you're in Rio too. It was great and it was surely not the last trip to Rio, except the world ends. Only 5 minutes left for Doomsday to happen here in Germany though.
Oh i see right now, it's friday. Time for Lapa.
I wonder how many crates of beer i can take to Rio though. Brahma and Skol aren't that great choices. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Banshee, damn you! You have there awesome girls with huge ass! They are famous even here in Europe.
And Amazon too _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:45 am Post subject:
Prostitution is not necessarily a good thing and it doesn't exist only in Brazil. It exists nearly everywhere, including Europe, where you'll also find women with boosted atributes at their back. QUICK_EDIT
I guess its not as bad as Filipino Women being called "Mail-Order Brides"... or the Country that eats Duck Fetuses... _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:10 am Post subject:
Every country has this kind of thing, buddy. You don't need to travel to Brazil or Philipines for this kind of service. Rio de Janeiro has beter things to offer, such as great beaches, beautiful natural landscapes, nice food and a rich culture. Prostitution is for the weaks, who are unable to get a decent girlfriend (or boyfriend, depending on the person). QUICK_EDIT
Damn, we're still alive... Why do you lie to us, oh ancient mayan scientists? I was really hoping for zombies... _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject:
They are as leaders as the audience of their site interests EA. They want direct feedback from die hard C&C fans, they want to promote their game with these sites and they want to attract people to create fan sites for their games. If you know that, by creating a C&C fan site, you could be potentially invited to one of these community summits, wouldn't you be interested to run a fan site?
When Aaron Kaufman was a community manager, I was invited several times to go to these community summits since 2006. I managed to go to one, in the second invitation (the first time I've lost it due to lack of US visa, third one had budget problems to fly me there, in the fourth I've sent Muldrake in my place). Unfortunately, I'm afraid I'm not on CIRE's list, since I'm not getting any messages from any community leaders maillist for a long time.
Anyway, these summits are really damn awesome. Not just by the fact that you'll be the first people to play their games and provide direct feedback, but mostly by the fact that you'll meet other guys from the C&C community and the whole adventure around flying there and visiting EA, staying in a 5 stars hotel, etc... it's damn awesome. I'd love to return there one day. QUICK_EDIT
I came to this post looking for pictures of booty. I was disappointed. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
They are as leaders as the audience of their site interests EA. They want direct feedback from die hard C&C fans, they want to promote their game with these sites and they want to attract people to create fan sites for their games. If you know that, by creating a C&C fan site, you could be potentially invited to one of these community summits, wouldn't you be interested to run a fan site?
I think there is a typo in "as likely as their audience is to buy EA's next game".
Banshee wrote:
When Aaron Kaufman was a community manager, I was invited several times to go to these community summits since 2006. I managed to go to one, in the second invitation (the first time I've lost it due to lack of US visa, third one had budget problems to fly me there, in the fourth I've sent Muldrake in my place). Unfortunately, I'm afraid I'm not on CIRE's list, since I'm not getting any messages from any community leaders maillist for a long time.
Yes, as far as I recall, you got all concerned about supporting RockPatch, because you didn't want to piss off EA at the wrong moment.
Banshee wrote:
Anyway, these summits are really damn awesome. Not just by the fact that you'll be the first people to play their games and provide direct feedback, but mostly by the fact that you'll meet other guys from the C&C community and the whole adventure around flying there and visiting EA, staying in a 5 stars hotel, etc... it's damn awesome. I'd love to return there one day.
I have no doubt EA does its best to impress. I just don't think it's very helpful to parrot EA marketing's characterization of this as "community summits" with "community leaders", when it's really just a marketing gig for opinion leaders.
Or, to put it differently: What person represented me, personally, at this "community summit", and by what legitimation did said person become my leader?
Sorry if I sound difficult, but the way you phrase it, you are spreading the impression that EA cares for all of us and used their money in some heartwarming attempt to unite the community's leaders in one place to sit down and debate our course, united, in the second decade of Command & Conquer.
And that's just not what happened.
It was a marketing gig, with carefully selected people who are most likely to effect the maximum adoption of the next "C+C" by the post-Generals newbs, in an effort to make as much money as possible out of ads, micropayments, or whatever the monetization plan is. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject:
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Sorry if I sound difficult, but the way you phrase it, you are spreading the impression that EA cares for all of us and used their money in some heartwarming attempt to unite the community's leaders in one place to sit down and debate our course, united, in the second decade of Command & Conquer.
Any sentences can be understood in many different ways and I won't be able to control how people will understand it, but I am sure I did not mean to say that in my post.
I wasn't represented in this community summit either and I am fully aware that EA's main objective is to get money with these events. They want to sell their products like any other company. QUICK_EDIT
Then why continue to fall for their marketing and call it a "community summit", when the only thing that makes it one is EA's claim it was one?
Isn't the very fact that the community had no access to this summit a sign that the term is ill-chosen? _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
I guess "modding site" is not the same as "fan site". Count the people supporting modding at that summit. Also, count the people who primarily represent single player campaigns and storytelling. Who represented the large group of casual gamers? And whom do the three official forum mods and the guy from EA Phenomic represent?
It shows which direction they are taking, and it's a farewell to modding. EA got good propaganda and a bunch of guys (count the ones potentially representing female gamers ) will most likely be very benevolent about anything EA does in the next few months. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:19 am Post subject:
Renegade, it is the name they have given to it. I am not entitled to agree entirely with the name, but if this is the name of the event, I'll use this name.
AlexB, right now they do not seem to be interested on modding, since Frostbite 2 won't be moddable at all. The casual gamers who likes campaigns were theorically represented by sites like CNCNZ.com (Sonic and Hypnotist), CnC-Inside (German) (freezy and Osbes). While TheGunRun is said to be from Twitch.tv, he was actually the only modder in that event. He made mods such as C&C Retarded and RA3 Retarded, which were quite popular some years ago, despite the awful name of these mods. QUICK_EDIT
So if they had called it The Command & Conquer Modders' Summit, without actually inviting modders, supporting modders, or, in fact, talking about modding, you would still continue to call it the Modders' Summit?
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:45 am Post subject:
Maybe, I could call it The Command & Conquer Modders' Summit with a heavy dose of sarcasm. That doesn't make me a deceiving asshole. People name things, but we are not forced to agree. For instance, I don't think the name Strategy-X has anything to do with the network you run, but I don't think you are a deceiving asshole for using that name on it. Oh and we don't build 'perfect' mods here either. QUICK_EDIT
The difference is: That name is a historic one, and one I inherited, rather than chose myself.
I didn't go out and knowingly named it that way to obfuscate the true intentions of my actions.
Unlike EA.
Besides, there's a big difference between "that name has nothing to do with it" and "that name was purposely chosen to mislead people".
I could host mods under the label "The Vibrating Banana Network", and the worst that could happen is that people think I'm horrible at branding. If I went and called it "the catch-free, gratis C&C mod hosting network", only to lure people into a contract and charge them a thousand bucks a month, that'd be a different story.
You already admitted you are fully aware EA's main objective is getting money through these events.
Don't try to explain their deception away as a poor choice of words. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:13 pm Post subject:
EA's objective is to get money through any kind of thing. It's not just these events. The event itself is a way to EA get feedback from a group of people that they consider potential customers and that do have contact with many other potential customers. Their choice was based in websites that covers Command & Conquer games and are covering their new C&C game. The people they've invited leads the sites they've choosen or were sent by the leaders of these sites. So, for EA's marketing department point of view, they are theorically 'Community Leaders'. Of course it is a very small sample of the community that may not lead necessarily anything and nobody is entitled to agree with how EA gets a sample of their customers. In short, it's just a bloody name. And I think it is a summit that allows some people of the C&C community to meet each others, so, honestly, the name 'Community Summit' is far from being perfect but it is acceptable in my opinion, although it is restricted to a very small sample of the community. How would you call this event? 'The Summit of Few Community Members at EA', is that it?
And I don't understand why are you going so much ballistic into this subject (by using terms such as deceiving asshole because I've used the term 'Community Summit'). There is no need for this kind of hostility, really.
And I have the impression that you have choosed the wrong place to complain at the influence of EA's propaganda machine.
PPM's instance in the news is not to be neutral. Our purpose is to defend modders and casual gamers here and you know that when EA's action goes against them, we do criticize them here. I have criticized a lot of their actions in the news and even some of their products (that I did receive as gift). I know that, when sites choose to be impartial like some of our friends, they actually become pro-anything that uses their news, such as the EA propaganda machine. So, I am aware that there is no news neutrality, no way to be impartial in the news.
Regardless of my non pro-EA instance, this site has helped them to sell a lot of copies from most C&C games. The only games we didn't help them to get money with (and I could be wrong about that) are Tiberium Alliances, Sole Survivor and some old mobile C&C games. QUICK_EDIT
Is the modding community cannibalizing itself here because of the deceiving assholes at EA? _________________ Free Tibed!
EA for worst company of the decade! QUICK_EDIT
This is your idea of me going ballistic?
Oh wait, this is the forum that censors "ztype". Nevermind.
To answer your question, the reason it annoys me is because you're aiding and abetting their abandonment of the oldest parts of the community. Instead of saying "EA invited a select few webmasters to play the alpha of the next game", you're saying "Command & Conquer's official community manager Eric Krause has organized a C&C community summit that happened last week.", which paints an entirely different picture to the casual reader, and nonchalantly ignores the fact that EA's idea of "the C&C community" just plain doesn't include us.
You are helping them to redefine "C&C Community" to mean "the players of the latest few C+C-branded EA RTSs".
The so-called "Community Manager" holds a so-called "Community Summit" which mysteriously doesn't represent the oldest, most dedicated parts of the community, and your reaction is...to excitedly parrot their marketingspeak?
You are happily, jealously reporting that EA does not consider us part of the C&C community any more, and you wonder why I'm kind of annoyed?
EA doesn't give a shit about us. That's not news. But when it openly displays its disregard for us, the least you could do is not report it as an awesome, enviable event. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject:
Renegade, you should have paid more attention to the sentences after that one. The bold part is my sarcasm of their definition of community leaders. The underlined part is my criticism, where I clearly state that the community wasn't totally represented by showing a counter-example.
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Command & Conquer's official community manager Eric Krause has organized a C&C community summit that happened last week. He invited 14 lucky community leaders to visit their studio to play the current alpha of Command & Conquer (Free to Play). PPM had no representant at this community summit, unfortunately.
I did not redefine the concept of C&C community in this news and I've never had intention to do that, nor phrased the sentences in a way to mean it. But I recognize that the first sentence had quite strong words in that sense.
I won't rewrite this paragraph at all. I don't see any need to do that.
Again, there's a big difference between "this particular website had no representative" and "this entire section of the community wasn't represented".
Not only that, but your statement would be just as true had you been invited, but couldn't go (as has happened in the past). So yeah. Not so much with the "I clearly state that the community wasn't totally represented".
And, sorry, but in the context of "I'm really jealous of this people" and your later statements of "these summits are really damn awesome" and "I'd love to return there one day", I'm having a really, really hard time believing that single "lucky" in there was supposed to be sarcastic. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject:
And everything I said has nothing to do with:
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You are helping them to redefine "C&C Community" to mean "the players of the latest few C+C-branded EA RTSs".
Renegade, it sucks to say this... but nowadays modding goes against EA's business goals. So, they'll certainly won't promote modders with these events. I've been saying that for a while in the news of this site. QUICK_EDIT
Great, all that's left for them to do is to charge money for the patches, it's not the first time they do things like that, how do they manage to be so sucesfull with so little care for the costumers? _________________
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You are helping them to redefine "C&C Community" to mean "the players of the latest few C+C-branded EA RTSs".
Exactly. That is exactly the point. Instead of putting a spotlight on the issue, you brushed over it and claimed EA's "Community Manager" had held a "Community Summit".
By not doing anything, by not saying anything, by just repeating their shit as the truth, you are helping them make it the truth.
You could, at any point, have stopped and chosen different words, or added a footnote that "community" means the EA-happy Tiberium Wars players, or whatever.
Instead, everything you said had nothing to do with it. You just pretended it was fine the way it is.
Banshee wrote:
Renegade, it sucks to say this... but nowadays modding goes against EA's business goals. So, they'll certainly won't promote modders with these events. I've been saying that for a while in the news of this site.
Bullshit. The fact that it's not part of their business strategy does not mean it goes against their business goals.
And neither side of that has anything to do with the fact that they're openly disregarding the entire pre-"C+C" part of the community.
Not just the modders. It's not a question of "were there modders?" it's a question of "who represented those of us who were into C&C before EA stuck its fist up its ass?".
Was there a single person at this "summit" whose community-related activities are predominantly related to pre-Generals C&C?
Who represented the part of the community that is into actual C&C, and not the C+C 201X crap EA has been releasing?
@Nolt: By buying everyone who's better than them. They don't have to do anything worth buying. They just have to make sure you can't buy elsewhere. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Yeah I agree with Renegade here. The only real 'care' EA has shown for the community is making the older games freeware, which of course is a cheap marketing ploy. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject:
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Instead of putting a spotlight on the issue, you brushed over it and claimed EA's "Community Manager" had held a "Community Summit".
By not doing anything, by not saying anything, by just repeating their shit as the truth, you are helping them make it the truth.
I cannot please greeks and trojans, specially when trojans create absurd interpretations of my words. One of EA CIRE's tasks at EA is to be the 'Community Manager' and the event that his team hosted has been called 'Community Summit' since the days that Westwood still existed, Generals wasn't a reality and modders were invited to it, as well as casual gamers. Now, if this one is really a commuinity summit or not, it's up to the reader.
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Bullshit. The fact that it's not part of their business strategy does not mean it goes against their business goals.
When their strategy includes getting money with DLCs, then modding goes against it. It's not bullshit. Nowadays, they're hidding their strategies on how they'll obtain money with the game, we'll soon notice that they'll get it with things that modders do. The links I pointed to Nolt are quite clear about it.
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Was there a single person at this "summit" whose community-related activities are predominantly related to pre-Generals C&C?
Who represented the part of the community that is into actual C&C, and not the C+C 201X crap EA has been releasing?
Renegade, we'll never agree with the list of people invited to these events, nor their focus. The name of the event is still C&C Community Summit (with &), since Westwood days. Get over it. QUICK_EDIT
I cannot please greeks and trojans, specially when trojans create absurd interpretations of my words. One of EA CIRE's tasks at EA is to be the 'Community Manager' and the event that his team hosted has been called 'Community Summit' since the days that Westwood still existed, Generals wasn't a reality and modders were invited to it, as well as casual gamers. Now, if this one is really a commuinity summit or not, it's up to the reader.
It is up to the reader, yes. And the reader will base his interpretation on the information he gets. What the reader got from you was "there was a community summit", "lucky people were invited", "I'm so jealous".
Can you imagine that to be just a tiny bit leading when it comes to whether or not the reader will question the accuracy of the event's name and the honesty of EA's intentions?
Banshee wrote:
When their strategy includes getting money with DLCs, then modding goes against it. It's not bullshit. [...]
Yes, it is. Because an active modding community would increase the longevity of the game, increasing the length of the "long tail" and the total number of people exposed to the game over its effective lifetime, leading to more purchases overall.
The more people and the more often people interact with the game, the higher the chance they will be motivated to buy additional content. Limiting the game to itself gives EA one time frame to grab all the money they can get: Until the player is bored with the stock game.
Mod support would give EA multiple time frames to try the same: Until the player is bored with the original game, and then until he is bored with the multiple mods he discovers and enjoys afterwards.
Flat-out declaring that mod support prevents them from making money through DLCs is utter bullshit, completely unfounded and inherently illogical: Those players going beyond playing the original game are also most likely to be the more dedicated, passionate ones, and thus the exact same players most likely to shell out more money on the game.
Banshee wrote:
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Was there a single person at this "summit" whose community-related activities are predominantly related to pre-Generals C&C?
Who represented the part of the community that is into actual C&C, and not the C+C 201X crap EA has been releasing?
Renegade, we'll never agree with the list of people invited to these events, nor their focus. The name of the event is still C&C Community Summit (with &), since Westwood days. Get over it.
You are sidestepping the question.
Of course the event is named that way. That was never in question. What I put in question was whether it bore that name rightfully, or if it was just a pathetic attempt by EA's marketing department to feign interaction with and recognition of the community, when, in fact, it was nothing but a promotional event for opinion-leaders of the buy-happy post-Generals mob.
That, and why your "reporting" of said event lacked any kind of criticism or warning, despite the fact that EA pretty much socially slapped us in the face.
One would think as the head of one of the last few active communities for rules.ini-based C&C games, you'd care about EA understanding that we are part of the C&C community just as much as the Twilight kids are, and have, in fact, been part of it for far longer than they have.
Instead, you are happily aiding and abetting their attempts to exclude us from the body of "the C&C community". _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject:
I'm getting tired of most of this discussion that gets nowhere, so I'll restrict my comments to a small part of your reply. Sorry.
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Yes, it is. Because an active modding community would increase the longevity of the game, increasing the length of the "long tail" and the total number of people exposed to the game over its effective lifetime, leading to more purchases overall.
Do you know how much you'll have to pay to play this new Command + Conquer game? Zero, nada, nothing, $0.00.
They'll get money with whatever they sell inside the game (units, campaign, skins, items, superweapons, factions, ingame funds, whatever). This is the kind of thing that modders produce. They do not want to compete with modders, so they've excluded the competition (modders).
Honestly, I hate this business model. It's far from being the ideal and I don't know if it is the most profitable one, but they've managed to get money with that system and they are now trying to use it with many of their games, including Command & Conquer.
I'm not the kind of person who spends money to buy items or get funds in a game. I have Asphalt 7 in my mobile phone that is sold by $0.50 and then, they try to sell funds and stars to the user by a much more expensive price. I haven't bought anything there. I've played the game like a freak, I've got all stars, all objectives, unlocked all tracks and cars and fully upgraded most of them. But I have not spent a cent with anything else than the game itself.
I trully hope that this kind of business fails with EA and they return to sell the game and expansions only like they did so far, even if we have to use this horrible Origin system. Last edited by Banshee on Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:54 pm; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
I'm getting tired of most of this discussion that gets nowhere, so I'll restrict my comments to a small part of your reply. Sorry.
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Yes, it is. Because an active modding community would increase the longevity of the game, increasing the length of the "long tail" and the total number of people exposed to the game over its effective lifetime, leading to more purchases overall.
Do you know how much you'll have to pay to play this new Command + Conquer game? Zero, nada, nothing, $0.00.
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You are changing your line of argumentation. Your claim was "nowadays modding goes against EA's business goals", not "EA doesn't support modding because modders' assets would offer free alternatives to EA's paid ones".
Either way, my point stands: If a player stops playing, they have zero chance of getting him to pay for anything. If the player keeps playing because a mod kept the game interesting, they still have a chance of convincing him to pay for something a mod can't or won't offer, even in your re-defined "OMG the modders compete!!"-scenario.
And all of this is not even considering the option of allowing modders to sell their created assets in the C+C Market, with EA taking an "administrative fee".
Oh, and by the way: Don't think I didn't notice you're trying to steer the thread away from the discussion of why you giddily assisted EA in defining us out of the community. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject:
I really don't understand you. I think there is no way to argument with you. You force an interpretation of people's words in a way they have never meant and regardless of their clear words saying that you misunderstood what they said, you continue to believe that the person meant what they didn't meant to say. You should try opening your head rather than pretending that it's a me vs you internet argument. It's impossible to argue in these conditions.
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You are changing your line of argumentation. Your claim was "nowadays modding goes against EA's business goals", not "EA doesn't support modding because modders' assets would offer free alternatives to EA's paid ones".
You missed my logic. Let's get more clear:
"nowadays modding goes against EA's business goals"because"modders' assets would offer free alternatives to EA's paid ones".
Is it clear now?
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Either way, my point stands: If a player stops playing, they have zero chance of getting him to pay for anything. If the player keeps playing because a mod kept the game interesting, they still have a chance of convincing him to pay for something a mod can't or won't offer, even in your re-defined "OMG the modders compete!!"-scenario.
It is true if people stop playing it. But if it ever happens, they'll have a new product sucking more money from people who played the older products and making people to re-buy items similar to the ones they've bought to the previous games. In short, technically, they don't need modders.
There will always be people playing and buying stuff in these games. Otherwise this Free to Play platform wouldn't be expanded.
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Oh, and by the way: Don't think I didn't notice you're trying to steer the thread away from the discussion of why you giddily assisted EA in defining us out of the community.
Remove that stupid idea out of your thick head. C&C community is much larger than the sites that EA has 'selected' to represent them and we are inside the C&C community.
I've never said in the news that PPM isn't part of the C&C community. You've created this meaning, not my news. QUICK_EDIT
To be fair I don't think that many people will pay a cent to buy extra assets for a free game if they can just download the assets created by modders for free instead, so that their free game will remain entirely free.
EA surely has the same idea, hence why it makes perfect sense for them not to allow people to make and download free alternatives for EA's only means of actually making a profit off of their F2P/P2W game. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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C&C Community Doomsday Roundup!
. I know it is already december 22nd in Japan, but it is still 21st at Hawaii and other places. Good luck for everyone and enjoy the doom.
. Anyway, I hope you've enjoyed it.
