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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject:
North Korea is like that annoying kid in the back of the class that won't shut up about how he's gonna take over the world. After a while, everybody just stops paying attention to him. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
North Korea is like that annoying kid in the back of the class that won't shut up about how he's gonna take over the world. After a while, everybody just stops paying attention to him.
That's usually when they go on a killing spree. _________________
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject:
Congrats Cranium, you just proved how gung-ho you are. I don't care if this will end in another flamewar, but an(other) war isn't the option QUICK_EDIT
Gung ho? When someone threatens my country with nukes your damn right I'm gonna be gung ho. Weather this be an empty threat or not it must be dealt with in a serious manner. N.Korea has been sitting back fully applying themselves to making nuclear weapons to cause harm. Why should we wait for them to throw the first blow. N.Korea obviously has no sense for human life. They are just like the suicide bombers, they don't care if they live or die just as long as they take many with them.
N.Korea is inches from total collapse, they have nothing to lose. _________________
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:25 pm Post subject:
Re: N.Korea declares war against USA
Cranium wrote:
I think its time to show these people who their really dealing with. Leave politicians out of it, and let our military show what its really made of.
Americas military is capable of barely anything. I would even argue that North Korea has a more effective military as their rockets don't cost millions yet they would win a defensive war.
America as a whole isn't capable of anything. You guys are more bankrupt than Greece. _________________ Free Tibed!
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@Orangenero, lol, just lol. you don't have any clue about economics or our military. just lol _________________
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:57 pm Post subject:
Cranium wrote:
Gung ho? When someone threatens my country with nukes your damn right I'm gonna be gung ho. Weather this be an empty threat or not it must be dealt with in a serious manner. N.Korea has been sitting back fully applying themselves to making nuclear weapons to cause harm. Why should we wait for them to throw the first blow. N.Korea obviously has no sense for human life. They are just like the suicide bombers, they don't care if they live or die just as long as they take many with them.
N.Korea is inches from total collapse, they have nothing to lose.
Isn't that the same reasons why you lot invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? For being a so-called threat to the free world and having so-called WMDs? And that last argument is pathetic: invade it because they already have almost nothing? Why don't you invade half of Africa then? Isn't it better to try and bring the 2 Koreas together instead of trying to wipe out one of them, with the potential of offending the second-largest army (China) and your ex-Cold War enemy (Russia)? QUICK_EDIT
Cranium, you DO know that when you point your finger, it'll be me who gets to die, right? _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:01 pm Post subject:
What's wrong with those north Koreans? Well, USA can squish them like bugs anyway. Since UN is involved, I'm sure other countries will join the war and demolish N.K. I hope they don't send in nuke in here,I would be so ffucking scared. _________________ Mod Leader and founder of World Domination
Isn't that the same reasons why you lot invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? For being a so-called threat to the free world and having so-called WMDs? And that last argument is pathetic: invade it because they already have almost nothing? Why don't you invade half of Africa then? Isn't it better to try and bring the 2 Koreas together instead of trying to wipe out one of them, with the potential of offending the second-largest army (China) and your ex-Cold War enemy (Russia)?
Firstly, I myself didn't agree with the Iraq war, Afghan war yes.
And yes, I do agree, a unification between the 2 Korea's would be awesome. But as we both know, If the leadership of the country remains as it is, that will never happen!
And it's not the country as a whole who have nothing, its their citizens that have nothing. N.Korea's government/military have everything and don't give a rats ass about their own starving to death people.
A peaceful resolution would be nice, and again under the communist leadership, it will not happen.
Don't wage war and VOW to nuke us and expect us to take it lightly.
@scorched earth, really don't thing you'd have much to worry about, a ground assault more than likely would not happen, more like parking out in the Ocean and launching missiles and drones. We already know where all their strong holds are located. _________________
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:22 pm Post subject:
Yeah, but North Korea must be seeking for revenge since America intervened them during WW2 (I think, which they are trying to stop spread of communism and replace it to Democratic.) And split the Korea into north and south. Which made a line in the "center" of Korea. Boy, those people don't like it. And we will not like it either if they come on america land.
Edit: Cold war, not WW2.
Well if it wasn't for america, most of people who lives in Europe will be rule by communism. No freedom, you will be do as told by the dictatorship. That means, little to no power over yourself. _________________ Mod Leader and founder of World Domination
This is all just political BS scare tactics. NK is just trying to establish a MAD doctrine in hopes of stopping any future military action against them. Their government is paranoid not genocidal. _________________
What's wrong with those north Koreans? Well, USA can squish them like bugs anyway. Since UN is involved, I'm sure other countries will join the war and demolish N.K. I hope they don't send in nuke in here,I would be so ffucking scared.
yes, other countries would be involved, but the only thing european countries were to send would be humanitarian aid units.
NKorea is almost abandoned, the few people forced to live there and labour for the land don't do it because they want to, instead of bombing Nkorea the US should use their wits to help thosde who're seeking a way out of the regime and demoralize the NK military, thats about the only way i see to affect the instablity in a positive way without risking more damage and involvement from unwanted parties. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:33 pm Post subject:
Re: N.Korea declares war against USA
Cranium wrote:
I think its time to show these people who their really dealing with. Leave politicians out of it, and let our military show what its really made of.
Took our military ten plus years to find some asshole in a villa in Pakistan, bro.
Also, a second thought, just because you can make the boom doesn't mean they have the delivery system. The odds of them nuking us are rather low. Gandhi might nuke us, though. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:09 pm Post subject:
I'm gonna stay out of this before I go postal on someone.
"You lot"
"America as a whole"
Good way to get kicked in the fucking teeth. 99% of the United States Citizens have nothing to do with politics or the economy. Shut your goddamned mouth and do your research before you speak.
"It is better to be silent let some people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and let them all know you are." _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject:
Re: N.Korea declares war against USA
Volgin wrote:
Cranium wrote:
I think its time to show these people who their really dealing with. Leave politicians out of it, and let our military show what its really made of.
Took our military ten plus years to find some asshole in a villa in Pakistan, bro.
Also, a second thought, just because you can make the boom doesn't mean they have the delivery system. The odds of them nuking us are rather low. Gandhi might nuke us, though.
NKorea has labour camps in russia, wouldn't wonder me if NK would get their hands on delivering systems via russias backdoor.
also theres a lot of unimaginable stuff selling at the black markets, (even nuke warheads). _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Well if it wasn't for america, most of people who lives in Europe will be rule by communism. No freedom, you will be do as told by the dictatorship. That means, little to no power over yourself.
And then again USA did establish some dictatorships in the past as well
Well. I don't know. I doubt that NK would actually attack USA. Why should they? It would be suizide in the long term, once they attacked, the UN will attack them as well. Then again I don't know anything about their mentality and such ... _________________
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they're raised and taught to hate american imperialism, it's omnipresent there apparently.
(oh and every great innovation by man that found it's way into the NK is apparently innovated and brought upon the people by the genius dear leader.) _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
kim jong un liberated dennis rodman from the american slave labor amps and brought him to North Korea to tell his story. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
I love being that shitbag who doesn't know what's going on until I wake up one morning on a ship and some guy telling me to get on the beach. _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
For all the stereotyping, down-playing, and parody, North Korea is still a very dangerous state. And with such poor living conditions, any attempt to intervene in it would incur a vast drain on the resources of an invading nation.
The alternative is the annihilation of the entire population of North Korea, and that may not be morally or ethically justifiable.
blubb wrote:
[...] also theres a lot of unimaginable stuff selling at the black markets, (even nuke warheads).
This doesn't ring true to me. Not only does it raise the question of why no terrorist organisation has irradiated anyone yet, but it raises the question of who would sell their nuclear weapons? All of the major powers safeguard their nuclear weapons to a phenomenal degree. Even if a country wanted to sell nuclear warheads, I wouldn't count on it being logistically possible to do it without a lot of press attention being called to it fast. QUICK_EDIT
@Orangenero, lol, just lol. you don't have any clue about economics or our military. just lol
lol just lol. What a clueless CoD kiddie. North Korea would destroy your ambitions. A new vietnam or afghanistan it would become. Oh and yea America is really healthy and powerful and rich and the no1 country in the world. _________________ Free Tibed!
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By the way, if you think nasty civilians would be fighting the war you are dead wrong. People run from Marine airwingers who don't PT for shit. Get your ignorant American stereotypes out of here.
Why am I feeding a troll, I don't even _________________ Okay, my signature was starting to annoy even me. QUICK_EDIT
By the way, if you think nasty civilians would be fighting the war you are dead wrong. People run from Marine airwingers who don't PT for shit. Get your ignorant American stereotypes out of here.
Why am I feeding a troll, I don't even
Pft at least I don't get a boner from the fantasy that the US army starts butchering others. _________________ Free Tibed!
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Good way to get kicked in the fucking teeth. 99% of the United States Citizens have nothing to do with politics or the economy. Shut your goddamned mouth and do your research before you speak.
Can't blame any non-US citizen really. I, for one, am fully aware of this and I'm very certain that everyone talking in here is. It's common language to say "the Americans are that way" when it's really just the political and military actions that build that image.
One part of that image, by the way, is that Americans "generally" seem to be worst at being able to take any criticism about their country. Of course, I can only judge by those who are speaking out loud. I know too few Americans to judge the whole population.
Good opportunity to ask these "patriotic" US people like Cranium if he knows any North Korean personally and how he can tell that they all, personally, agree what their beloved leader is doing? He doesn't seem to care - "crush them all". Confirms that image I was talking about. Even if those opinions aren't too many. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:03 am Post subject:
Cranium wrote:
Gung ho? When someone threatens my country with nukes your damn right I'm gonna be gung ho. Weather this be an empty threat or not it must be dealt with in a serious manner. N.Korea has been sitting back fully applying themselves to making nuclear weapons to cause harm. Why should we wait for them to throw the first blow. N.Korea obviously has no sense for human life. They are just like the suicide bombers, they don't care if they live or die just as long as they take many with them.
N.Korea is inches from total collapse, they have nothing to lose.
OH HURP DE DERRR, THEY'RE FABBING NUKES SO WE MUST TAKE ACTION! Give me a goddamn break. We might be a broke-ass country, but within our Ohio ballistic fleet alone we have 630+ GIGATONS of thermonuclear fire ready to go the moment the order is given. That shit's already done and we can retaliate with more force than anyone can survive (or even witness) if necessary, it's called nuclear deterrent for a reason. Of course, given the likely event that China, Russia, Japan, and South Korea tell us not to do it, we can pound them into the ground with high-altitude stealth bombing. You guys are all stupid if you think Kim Jong Un is directing any of dear ol' daddy's laid plans for any reason but to gain the trust of his own military. Or did anyone not notice that during the grooming of him to take over for Jong Il, he was more interested in video games than taking the role seriously? He's not gonna do jack crap.
Also, we're already at war with North Korea. In case anyone forgot, we've BEEN at war with them for 60 years now. Once they actually DO something instead of nut-flexing, then maybe we'll move in jointly with South Korea and roast them like campfire food. It's not that hard, our military generals and commanders just make it look hard. _________________
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No first use (NFU) refers to a pledge or a policy by a nuclear power not to use nuclear weapons as a means of warfare unless first attacked by an adversary using nuclear weapons. Earlier, the concept had also been applied to chemical and biological warfare.
As of October 2008, China,[1] India[2] and North Korea[3] have publicly declared their commitment to no first use of nuclear weapons.
NATO has repeatedly rejected calls for adopting NFU policy,[4] arguing that preemptive nuclear strike is a key option.
As for USA...
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The new doctrine envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to use nuclear weapons to preempt an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction.[24] The draft also includes the option of using nuclear weapons to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons.
So, if there is a nuclear first strike, you know from whom to expect it.
then maybe we'll move in jointly with South Korea and roast them like campfire food. It's not that hard, our military generals and commanders just make it look hard.
Go in and bomb everything then get out? Yes it is easy the army told you that back then in Iraq which was planned to be a few weeks long. Took years in the end. Has the ISAF accomplished anything in afghanistan?
So you all believe into your supreme military power? Didn't help you in vietnam. _________________ Free Tibed!
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:29 am Post subject:
OrangeNero wrote:
Go in and bomb everything then get out? Yes it is easy the army told you that back then in Iraq which was planned to be a few weeks long. Took years in the end. Has the ISAF accomplished anything in afghanistan?
So you all believe into your supreme military power? Didn't help you in vietnam.
I genuinely laughed. If you think a joint campaign on North Korea would be anything like what happened in Iraq or Vietnam then you've sorely misunderstood the situation. _________________
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:01 am Post subject:
pd wrote:
daTS wrote:
"You lot"
"America as a whole"
Good way to get kicked in the fucking teeth. 99% of the United States Citizens have nothing to do with politics or the economy. Shut your goddamned mouth and do your research before you speak.
Can't blame any non-US citizen really. I, for one, am fully aware of this and I'm very certain that everyone talking in here is. It's common language to say "the Americans are that way" when it's really just the political and military actions that build that image.
One part of that image, by the way, is that Americans "generally" seem to be worst at being able to take any criticism about their country. Of course, I can only judge by those who are speaking out loud. I know too few Americans to judge the whole population.
Good opportunity to ask these "patriotic" US people like Cranium if he knows any North Korean personally and how he can tell that they all, personally, agree what their beloved leader is doing? He doesn't seem to care - "crush them all". Confirms that image I was talking about. Even if those opinions aren't too many.
Oh, I'm not questioning your judgement. I can agree that you know too few Americans to really make an accurate assessment however. I know that I personally am guilty of being extremely patriotic, but then again, I also fight for my country, and I certainly don't do it for the money. I do it for the love of my homeland. If that makes me look bad, I honestly don't care.
My qualm is associating the entire populace, which include people like my family and close friends who aren't "Ignorant Americans" or have anything to do at all with the "Failing Country". A majority of them pay very close attention to these things. I do not like it when my country, and by default, my loved ones are insulted. I'll defend Mother America and her Peoples to my dying breath. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
I think it's extremely stupid to judge an entire countries population (in most arguments like this, the USA) on the acts of its government, which rarely reflects the true thoughts and feelings of the general population. But Cranium has come along with this thread and reinforced that stereotype.
North Korea have admitted several times they're afraid of the USA and they believe the USA would not invade a country which is nuclear weapon armed so of course there's going to be a lot of talk and show from NK in regards to how "powerful" it is. It's not just a case of send over a few B2's and hooray hurrah the war is over. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
NK is not that wide land mass so dealing with them wouldn't be that much of a big matter mass destruction weapons wise as most things are pretty much clumped which is militaristicly bad but thats price for their location and would be less costly venture than common land invasion but WMDs probably won't be sanctioned so moot point.
NK remains just a talk and in reality they have zero chance hold out against prolonged serious attack and know it far too well thus nuclear deterrant bluff. QUICK_EDIT
For all the stereotyping, down-playing, and parody, North Korea is still a very dangerous state. And with such poor living conditions, any attempt to intervene in it would incur a vast drain on the resources of an invading nation.
The alternative is the annihilation of the entire population of North Korea, and that may not be morally or ethically justifiable.
blubb wrote:
[...] also theres a lot of unimaginable stuff selling at the black markets, (even nuke warheads).
This doesn't ring true to me. Not only does it raise the question of why no terrorist organisation has irradiated anyone yet, but it raises the question of who would sell their nuclear weapons? All of the major powers safeguard their nuclear weapons to a phenomenal degree. Even if a country wanted to sell nuclear warheads, I wouldn't count on it being logistically possible to do it without a lot of press attention being called to it fast.
literally, you can buy, everything.
just look how responsible so called legal arms dealers are and you find yourself astonished and asking yourself how responsible anyone else with a responsible position is, especially if it has to do with money.
why else would for example, the congo being flooded despite of the contract, with new types of chinese weapons.
I love how people are willing to advocate the annihilation of North Korea (which is more than a big army, there are human ztyping beings there. I know, hard to believe), because they threatened us with something they can't do. Do you really think the Koreans are stupid enough to nuke the U.S.? Are you serious?
God. People who think they're serious about nuking AMERICA are delusional war-mongerers. If NK is going to nuke anybody, it'll be South Korea or the Japanese - not the U.S.. Korea's delivery methods are either poorly made (missile tests) or likely... plane delivered. Do you honestly think NK has enough fuel to send a bomber across the pacific (without getting shot down) and nuke the west coast? Are you serious?
You people are ztyping stupid. Really. A war with NK with even a military 'victory' would result in untold death, possibly a hub of the global economy being annihilated, and South Korea's economy in shambles as it tries to reconcile and unify the NK infrastructure and people. No. A war is bad, and everyone should be doing their best to stop something like that. _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
I love how people are willing to advocate the annihilation of North Korea (which is more than a big army, there are human ztyping beings there. I know, hard to believe), because they threatened us with something they can't do. Do you really think the Koreans are stupid enough to nuke the U.S.? Are you serious?
God. People who think they're serious about nuking AMERICA are delusional war-mongerers. If NK is going to nuke anybody, it'll be South Korea or the Japanese - not the U.S.. Korea's delivery methods are either poorly made (missile tests) or likely... plane delivered. Do you honestly think NK has enough fuel to send a bomber across the pacific (without getting shot down) and nuke the west coast? Are you serious?
You people are ztyping stupid. Really. A war with NK with even a military 'victory' would result in untold death, possibly a hub of the global economy being annihilated, and South Korea's economy in shambles as it tries to reconcile and unify the NK infrastructure and people. No. A war is bad, and everyone should be doing their best to stop something like that.
in the view of NK the land has 2 choices to re-open trade routes and deal with their problem of starvation and strenghen the moral of citizens there, 1st is declaring a war, and yeah they pretty much can chose from a tablet who they chose for their target, or going back to the SK borders with diplomacy which they recently totally shut off. Reconciling with NK isn't as easy for south korea as it may sound, by re-opening the borders we find a situation like germanys border opening east and west, just 100 times more horrible, it'll be impossible for NK to retain or to adapt to SK's immense growth and economic wealth and thus will either be neglected or consumed leaving NK citizens in a frustrated state. But eiotherway, a blitzkrieg situation won't happen where NK goes to war successfully, it simply won't actual parades show age old military models and technology, they're as said, stuck in the 50's with a few exceptions, they were a long time behind in any real renewal of forces. Sure they'd have the manpower, but i doubt they can pull of guerillia tactics like the eastern people with their traditional training. and why would they not buy on black markets and possibly get suffucient delivering systems, also the rockets that were tested, aren't they long range missiles? sure, they might not come to the US, but still it's a threat.
but you're right that, on their own, i don't think they can afford any sort of strike, so it might be their usual rattling for attention. does anyone take nk's claims seriously anyhow nowadays? _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:11 pm Post subject:
Besides all the chest thumping machoistic YEAH MURICA WE GONNA F*CK YOU UP, I see we have a blow-hard trying to say the US military has no capability at all.
This is a curious statement, given that the US military is by far the strongest on the planet...
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Besides all the chest thumping machoistic YEAH MURICA WE GONNA F*CK YOU UP, I see we have a blow-hard trying to say the US military has no capability at all.
This is a curious statement, given that the US military is by far the strongest on the planet...
Unless you dig rusty T-72s sitting in 50 year old armories or over-done T-54 modernizations
no one says that, thing is, it's you underestimating other countries capabilities, would you have known that afghanistan to this day is a lost cause and can't be successfully invaded? and there's more than one army trying to do so. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Well, if the government looked at the Vietnam war seriously and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan then we might not be there for a ztyping decade. That said, to call a region a lost cause is rather crass. The Germans were ruled a lost cause by quite a few people after starting two world wars, now weren't they? _________________ Victory! QUICK_EDIT
yeah, rather true, i say lost cause just especially in afghanistan because 2 world powers tried to invade there, and yeah...both times it sort of ran dry so no one dared to enter afghanistan for a long time :/ but the same thing is practically applicable everywhere, you'd really don't want infantry wars in the congo for example, or burma. the terrain does half the work against foreign forces. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject:
My apologies to DaTS (and anyone feeling offended) by my generalisation with 'you lot'. I just find it insane that Cranium so easily talks about invading a third-world country (what North Korea is in essence) only because they are threatened by them. Hell, haven't previous wars (since WW2) where the US was involved proven that invading a country isn't the solution? QUICK_EDIT
one thing to blame is, they may have freed for example iraq, of a dictator regime, but they left a shithole that is plastered with chaos, what they'd have needed is the same aid we got after WW2, humanitarian aid, and plans to rebuild, a perspective. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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N.Korea declares war against USA
