air shp?

Exley · Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: air shp?

question
can SHP in TS be air unit as TD had orcas SHP-ed ?

I know from somewhere when its killed IE is shown
but if unit is unkillable ?

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

SHP AircraftTypes are entirely impossible. In TS and also in RA2.

Only alternative is a flying VehicleType which can be an SHP. But flying vehicles have the invincibility issue where only railguns can damage them in midair. (See the many research topics about flying vehicles)

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Orac · Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:26 am Post subject:

Holy Master has SHP aircraft in Reign of Steel. They're completely doable in RA2 if you're OK with balloonhover.

TS though.. yeah, nope.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

a) Read closely. I wrote AircraftTypes. Balloonhover units are VehicleTypes.
b) Well, this is the TS forum, so it's surely TS.

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Sion Reaver · Vehicle Driver **Joined**: 26 Nov 2012

About the invincibility issue with Jumpjets that aren't infantry, wouldn't a work around be making a infantry that looks more like a plane(if that's somehow possible) probably have to make another type of building for them to come out of as well.

Because I doubt its as simple as going to a infantry and changing its image to Orca. That's asking for a IE.

Bittah Commander · Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:06 am Post subject:

Making an infantry that looks like an aircraft is indeed doable, although it then won't be able to land on a helipad, it won't be able to reload its ammo (so you can't give it limited ammo), it'll "walk" to locations that are close by (rather than fly), it can't have more than 8 facings and it'll use the tiny infantry selection box.

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Exley · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:31 am Post subject:

got a question #Tongue

as I never did SHP vehicle, what happens to it when it needs to tilt
by either terrain or a weapon shot at it ? #Tongue

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Orac · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:42 am Post subject:

It doesn't tilt.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Exley wrote:

got a question #Tongue

as I never did SHP vehicle, what happens to it when it needs to tilt
by either terrain or a weapon shot at it ? #Tongue

Nothing happens.
Wolverine and Titan are SHPs showing this from the beginning. Wink

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Exley · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:10 am Post subject:

hmm good point, I totally forgot about them

so basically TS can have then mirrage tank/vehicle right ? Very Happy

if still frame is given to some neutral object look

Bittah Commander · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:46 pm Post subject:

It's indeed doable that way, although without any transition effects (so the unit will instantly change its image from the neutral object to the tank when it starts to move or fire).

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And you don't fool the AI or any player controlled unit that is standing near the "mirage". The auto-targeting still sees this as a perfectly normal unit.

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mevitar · Missile Trooper **Joined**: 31 Dec 2010

Civilian=yes perhaps? #Tongue

With that, only force firing and retaliation will work against it, and it will be completely ignored otherwise.
But i think it works only for infantry...

Exley · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject:

Bittah Commander wrote:

It's indeed doable that way, although without any transition effects (so the unit will instantly change its image from the neutral object to the tank when it starts to move or fire).

but can't fire frames also be simply made just like still frames, to be an object ?

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

The auto-targeting still sees this as a perfectly normal unit.

mevitar wrote:

Civilian=yes perhaps? #Tongue

With that, only force firing and retaliation will work against it, and it will be completely ignored otherwise.
But i think it works only for infantry...

maybe this: Category=Civilian
I see visceroids use it, although don't know if it will collide with Owner=Nod/GDI tag

Astor · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject:

As far as I know the Category tag is only used for the AI (TeamTypes mostly).

So it knows how to handle the unit (i.e. is it a transporter, combat unit, artillery, etc)

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Bittah Commander · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:25 pm Post subject:

Exley wrote:

but can't fire frames also be simply made just like still frames, to be an object ?

Yeah, that's possible, but why would you want that? IIRC the Mirage Tank always changes back to its tank form whenever it starts firing in RA2 as well.

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Exley · Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:49 am Post subject:

so it fools player ofcourse

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Exley · Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:29 pm Post subject:

oh, sorry got 1 more question regarding shp vehicle
how many turns/facing directions does it must have ?

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Zero18 · Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:33 pm Post subject:

32 facings, i believe.

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MasterHaosis · General **Joined**: 01 Nov 2010 **Location**: Serbia

Exley,

According to Terror Drone, 8 facings, but they are in clock-way turning, not clock-reverse like infantry.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Exley wrote:

how many turns/facing directions does it must have ?

8 facings for chassis, 32 facings for turret. (with 32 facing hack like in DTA, chassis can have 32 facings too, but that hack is not yet public available iirc)
Vehicles rotate clockwise in SHP, Infantry counterclockwise.

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Exley · Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject:

thanks

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Bittah Commander · Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:56 pm Post subject:

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

Exley wrote:

how many turns/facing directions does it must have ?

8 facings for chassis, 32 facings for turret. (with 32 facing hack like in DTA, chassis can have 32 facings too, but that hack is not yet public available iirc)
Vehicles rotate clockwise in SHP, Infantry counterclockwise.

I'm not sure if the hack has been posted anywhere, but anyone is free to ask for it if they need it. Hyper first gave it to me after all and he has no issues with sharing it (although he didn't document it FAFAIK, so he'll redirect anyone who asks for it to me anyhow =P).

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Wasn't the 32 facing hack a feature to go public in Hyperpatch?

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Bittah Commander · Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject:

No, it won't be included in HyperPatch because it doesn't work 100% perfectly. The main issue is that after applying this hack the first frame of SHP vehicles won't be north, but it'll be 1 facing before north-east (and the 30th frame will be north).
This alone is already enough reason for Hyper to not want to include the hack in HyperPatch, but an additional issue is that after applying the hack all SHP units will have to use 32 facings (or 1 facing) and having just 8 facings will no longer be possible (meaning that the original Wolverine, Titan, Juggernaut, Cyborg Reaper and Core Defender will then no longer work).

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MasterHaosis · General **Joined**: 01 Nov 2010 **Location**: Serbia

Ah guys, you have there much of SHP Vehicles.
We have only Terror Drone as vehicle as Squid and Dolphin as Navy.
What are Limpet Drones there, shps or voxels?

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