Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:13 pm Post subject:
Voxelgeddon 2013
Subject description: (Free Reign Voxel Competition)
Welcome to VOXELGEDDON 2013! The new voxel competition that I will host yearly shortly after the annual Cartographer's Call Competition. Voxelgeddon does not have a theme of any kind, the entrants will have free reign over their submissions and may submit any kind of voxel they desire, be it Allied, Soviet, Yuri, GDI, Nod, CABAL, Forgotten, China, America, GLA, Eejits, Gibberish, Something with a funny face, Aircraft, Vehicle, Navy, Projectile, bla bla bla, you get the point. Anyhow, onto the rules of the competition.
Rules:
1) Only one submission per entrant
2) The entry is to include the Voxel and HVA. If applicable, turret and barrel voxels and HVA's, offset values must also be provided.
3) Voxels must be new and exclusive to the competition, previously released voxels or Westwood edits will not be accepted.
4) Once submitted, your entries can not be changed. Make sure you're happy with your voxel before submitting it.
5) Your voxel can be made for any game you chose. Please state when submitting your voxel what game the voxel is for (TS, RA2).
6) Entries must be submitted to Aro (Me) by the 8th of July 2013 (00:00GMT)
7) I will only be accepting submissions via PRIVATE MESSAGE! No emails! No IM Client!
8) If your submission is released anywhere before the competition results have been posted, it will be disqualified!
Judging:
Judging will be done by Aro, Morpher and OmegaBolt. None of the three judges are experienced voxel artists, meaning you will be judged primarily on the in-game result of your voxel, 'cause after all, that is the only thing that really matters, right?
30/30 Will be the highest possible score per judge, Your voxels will be judged on the following criteria:
Detail: Coloring, Shading and Details. (Max: 10 Points)
Creativity: Shape, Concept, Style and HVA Animations (if any). (Max: 10 Points)
In-Game Result: Usability, Normals and of course, whether or not it actually looks good in the end. (Max: 10 Points)
Unfortunately this time I am unable to offer any kind of prize, unless somebody else would like to donate one for usage in the competition (though that also means the person involved will not be allowed to enter). This post will be updated if prizes for the first place winner(s) become available.
I will only be accepting submissions via PRIVATE MESSAGE! No emails! No IM Client!
Good luck to everybody whom wishes to enter, I expect great things from this community! Last edited by Aro on Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:44 pm; edited 6 times in total QUICK_EDIT
clever subtle advertisement for TI using goliath voxel in headline
Was about time PPM has some competitions again.
I'm looking forward for the results. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Can we get some preview pics of the entrants as they are submitted, or will it be secret until after the closing date? _________________ Adapt or die QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:33 pm Post subject:
@Aro, I just thought of few ideas that you can consider doing this for the winner's prize.
- Spotlight Voxel
- Voxel Winner Rank (Like What you did in Mapping Competition, from Banshee.) _________________ Mod Leader and founder of World Domination
.... and lollipop! With hot Brazilian girl in pack! (Banshee will take care of it)
Seriously, I agree with Zero18. Additionally to that, something also should be as prize.
Well about me...... I think I will skip this contest, I do not want my model to be the last. it is better if leave it for professionals. _________________ PPM Halloween Season 2021 QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:41 am Post subject:
Can we use custom VPLs and palettes optimized for the voxel, or they must look good with standard RA2 setup?
This is a pretty good question IMO since this is the first voxcomp where this plays a role _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Plus it would make judging much harder, as comparing the voxels using different VPL & palette setups could get bit lopsided. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:26 pm Post subject:
That's sad because every voxelling tool of mine already uses my pal as default(if they have pal-switching capability at all). _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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If we get into using VPL and/or any other enhancing tools then I'm just not going to participate. _________________
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hope none forget to make sure their voxels clip correctly when positioned next to each other.
nice comp and a nice header too. _________________ Free Tibed!
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A question about something I only just now noticed.
Aro wrote:
5) Voxels are to be hand-made only. 3DS2VXL will not be allowed this time around.
How is this going to be enforced in case it's not obvious from the apperance of the voxel, such as in case someone only creates the basic shape of the voxel in 3D modeling software, converts it to a voxel and then paints & edits it. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I find that it's typically easy to spot a 3DS conversion, another way would be due-to the reputation of the participants. For the most part, I just trust that people will actually abide by the rules given that there is no real prize to win. QUICK_EDIT
you can definitely tell a 3ds2vxl conversion...there is tell tale signs that will give it away everytime...so don't even try it fellas, _________________
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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:16 pm Post subject:
This is also a 3dsvxl, Cranium... you sure?
Infact, this is the perfect example I can think of as what Starkku meant. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Yeah personally the 3DS rule sounds a bit silly. Straight 3DS to voxel never looks good so it needs editing anyway, which is where the raw voxel skill comes into it. QUICK_EDIT
I don't know anything about Azri doing a 3ds to vxl conversion for that aircraft carrier. Unless he said specifically that he used a 3d model for that, i don't think that's the case. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:58 pm Post subject:
Yes. They are nice from far... but a mess when you see them closely. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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It's pointless to argue with them. It's like arguing with hipsters. You're not going to convince them 3ds2vxl does a fine job (and has produced higher quality voxels than the average voxeler for almost a decade), because, if that were true, how would they justify doing it by hand?
3ds2vxl must be shitty, otherwise their work would be devalued.
Which is, somewhat ironically, why I can see a reason for the rule: Being forced to do it by hand actually turns it into a challenge. _________________ #renproj:renegadeprojects.com via Matrix - direct link QUICK_EDIT
Reality is that normal texturing method (such as 3ds2vxl) is not ideal due to way voxels behave and lose some detail always so whole pixely detailing will always look messy.
Else the actual voxel creation method is quite irrelevant, whether shape is from model or done by hand.
Key thing is way of detailing really and to compensate for detail loss blending by exaggerated detail. QUICK_EDIT
Well personally LKO they don't look quite smooth enough, which you could probably get by further editing those in VXLSE. I'm all for whatever looks best ingame which is why 3DS conversions should be allowed. If a straight conversion manages to look good enough to win then so be it, but I doubt it. QUICK_EDIT
Which is, somewhat ironically, why I can see a reason for the rule: Being forced to do it by hand actually turns it into a challenge.
The main reason was because I have seen events in the past where somebody has just downloaded a free model online and converted it to a voxel which required no work what-so-ever on his part, though I did anticipate some backlash. QUICK_EDIT
If VXLs are recoloured in the voxel editor then I'd say its basically almost impossible to tell if they originally came from 3ds2vxl. The main way I can tell if the colouring has been done in the voxel editor is because the details will usually look exactly snapped-to-grid. 3ds2vxl tends to anti-alias things and cause a lot more colour shades to be used. QUICK_EDIT
As far as when I've used 3ds2vxl, they still needed to be edited to fix the black dots, for smoothness, to fix lines like on that aircraft carrier, etc.
I agree that it takes much less pixel art skill to convert, but that's just me. And to be honest, I think most voxel artists would rather make it from scratch than with 3ds2vxl.
BTW, is LKO allowed to participate? If so I'm out . _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
The only reason I hosted a voxel competition was because the majority of the community seemed to want one, and so far I've only received one entry. Dafuq, PPM? QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:07 pm Post subject:
We still have two weeks. And you said no updates on those voxels (unlike the map ones which could be sent everytime)
I am still doing mine. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Maintainance: Extra Expanded Enhanced Encounters! | BGEESpawn
Contributions: EE Fixpack | Enhanced Edition Trilogy | DSotSC (Trilogy) | UB_IWD | SotSC & a lot more... QUICK_EDIT
True. I never really thought of it that way. I guess it just seems odd given that I'd received 6 maps in the CCCIII within the space of time that has passed for this competition. QUICK_EDIT
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