Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:21 am Post subject:
New PC
Hello everybody,
I've been quite busy in the past few month with my baccalaureate and admission to Uni. Luckily, I've finished with that, and now I've been
researching a bit for a new PC, and this is what I've managed to create:
Now, I've got 2 minor questions:
1. RAM and it's frequency. Should I go for 1600 mhz, or it won't make significant changes?
2. Processor. I have the FX 8320 in my list, but then there's also the FX 8350. Not 100% sure if it's worth throwing 30-40 bucks (the prices here...), or if there's a better Intel i5 around this price.
Any tips appreciated.
EDIT: Changed the power supply, I accidentally put on a different one. QUICK_EDIT
Why would you buy a BOX version of the processor, if you buy a separate cooling system?
Also, I would recommend to buy an additional SSD
And yet, look for processors with socket FM2+, though among they do not have processors with eight cores. But in general, they are more productive, as well as to integrate into the core of a decent video, which allows not to buy Video Card.
RAM - It's better to buy a higher frequency, the difference in price between 1333 and 1600 is not very big. Also, better to take two modules at 4GB, than one in 8, it will operate in dual channel memory mode. Last edited by Glukv48 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:13 pm; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:48 pm Post subject:
You're going to want a heftier power supply (at least 800w minimum) if you plan on really using that video card to it's fullest.
I have a spare PNY XLR8 GTX 770 2GB OC here, but shipping to the capitol of Romania for the box size would be somewhere in the $300USD ballpark, which is pretty much the cost of the card. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject:
First of all, if you can afford it, by all means use an SSD as system disk. The difference in responsiveness for the whole system is massive. An absolute must-have nowadays, in my opinion. Makes a bigger difference than CPU.
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For CPU, it's up to you in the end but from my experience, Intels' massive advantage in single-threaded performance shows even in seemingly trivial everyday things like web-surfing, and of course in gaming.
For web-surfing, I have the everyday comparison between an A8-6600K system with HDD (my mothers' PC), i5-2400 with HDD (office PC at work) and i5-2500 with SSD (my own PC).
The 2400+HDD loses badly to my SSD system in loading times but fares good enough at responsiveness.
The 6600K loses even more badly in loading times and is much less responsive on top of that, even scrolling websites often stutters a little, unthinkable with either Intel system. Maybe the AMD system isn't configured optimally though I didn't find anything when investigating that poor performance), but the point is that current Intel CPU tech is so superior
I think for 90-95% of consumer tasks, performance per core is still (and will likely remain) very important, and AMD's current offerings are too weak to be future-proof in that regard, in my opinion.
8 weaker cores might be slightly better sometimes, but 4 strong cores beat them most of the time.
The lower power consumption (less heat, quieter system) is just the icing on the cake.
In case you want to stick to AMD though, I'd say the 8320 is good enough, the performance difference to a 8350 is negligible and they both have open multiplicators anyway, so you can overclock the 8320 if you want more performance. The 8350 isn't worth the price premium, IMO.
@Glukv48: BOX versions usually have better warranty coverage, so unless the OEM version is noticably cheaper, I'd always go for BOX.
@daTS: Are you sure? It's just a 280, not a 290X... QUICK_EDIT
A 620W power supply is well enough for that system.
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And yet, look for processors with socket FM2+, though among they do not have processors with eight cores. But in general, they are more productive, as well as to integrate into the core of a decent video, which allows not to buy Video Card.
While the integrated GPUs in AMD APUs are generally powerful for integrated GPUs, they're far from as powerful as a R9 280 and not powerful enough to run the latest games smoothly even at low detail settings.
I'd also recommend an SSD, it makes a clear difference in the general responsiveness of your system.
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The 6600K loses even more badly in loading times and is much less responsive on top of that, even scrolling websites often stutters a little, unthinkable with either Intel system. Maybe the AMD system isn't configured optimally though I didn't find anything when investigating that poor performance), but the point is that current Intel CPU tech is so superior
Sounds like there's something slowing down the system, I see no difference between a Phenom II X4 and a Core i5-2500K when just web browsing. Basic operations are smooth on both systems; in gaming there's a difference though, but that's mostly load times since both systems have mid-class GPUs (Radeon HD 7850 and GTX 560 Ti, respectively).
In most games there will also be little difference between a FX-8320 and a i5-4590 with a R9 280; the GPU will be limiting factor most of the time. Mostly the i5 might be more smooth when a game is loading things in the background (suffering fewer FPS drops). However, if Deformat is playing really CPU-intensive games that lack proper multi-core support (like a lot of strategy games or MMORPGs), he'll indeed be better off with the i5.
Mostly what's bad about the FX-8320/8350 is that the AM3+ platform is outdated. No PCI-E 3.0 and no upgrade path for the CPU. The higher power consumption is also a bad thing (how bad, depends on the cost of electricity), but pure performance-wise the FX-8320/8350 aren't bad choices, especially since they're overclockable.
So, if you're not planning to upgrade your system for a while and you're not running CPU-heavy single-threaded software / games, I'd say stick with the FX-8320. Otherwise get a slightly more pricy Haswell-based Core i5 (if your budget allows it), like the one Reaperrrr linked. _________________ CnCNet Client | CnCNet TS patches | More Quality-of-Life Improvements for RA Remastered
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You're going to want a heftier power supply (at least 800w minimum) if you plan on really using that video card to it's fullest.
I have a spare PNY XLR8 GTX 770 2GB OC here, but shipping to the capitol of Romania for the box size would be somewhere in the $300USD ballpark, which is pretty much the cost of the card.
Mostly what's bad about the FX-8320/8350 is that the AM3+ platform is outdated. No PCI-E 3.0 and no upgrade path for the CPU. The higher power consumption is also a bad thing (how bad, depends on the cost of electricity), but pure performance-wise the FX-8320/8350 aren't bad choices, especially since they're overclockable.
IIRC AM3 has no support for USB3.0 and SATA6Gb / s on the chipset level, that as a bad influence on the performance of these interfaces and the price of the motherboard.
If you're interested, here's a list of used my of components: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GV4Bzy A small clarification, my SSD on 120gb. I have no problem gaming, poorly optimized RenegsdeX Beta2 at medium settings work without any noticeable lag. QUICK_EDIT
If you're interested, here's a list of used my of components: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GV4Bzy A small clarification, my SSD on 120gb. I have no problem gaming, poorly optimized RenegsdeX Beta2 at medium settings work without any noticeable lag.
That's because you're not playing demanding games. Try running something like Arma 3 on that APU and you will get a barely playable experience at best. Of course it's impossible for me to say if Deformat plays graphically-intensive games, but he did pick a mid-high-end GPU so I'd assume that he does. (Btw, my Phenom II and HD 7850 max out Renegade X at constant 60 FPS at 1080p, but I'm able to run Arma 3 only on medium settings - and Arma 3 isn't overly demanding compared to some of the newest games, so the same would apply to many other games as well. Compared to the most powerful integrated graphics engine available, the GPU part of the A10-7850K, the HD 7850 is over twice as fast - so integrated graphics aren't suitable for graphically intensive games, at least not yet).
-changed my mobo since a friend tipped me that the old one wasn't that reliable
-changed the video board since it seemed like a better deal. The 770 is too much for me, sadly.
-added a Kingston SSD.
-changed the memory
IMHO the processor will still be pretty okay for my needs as it's still PCI-Express.
I think this one is quite okay, right?
One more thing: Could someone point me to what I'm supposed to disable when installing Windows 7? I know Windows 8 has some better performance, but I'm not intending to go for it.
if money is such a big concern to you then scrap the SSD. There's little to no benefit from it. Shorter loading times are... instead of waiting for 20sec you wait for 12sec. There are YT videos where they compare it and no Windows 7 on a HDD is not slow.
You can always get an SSD later on but ofc you'll have to reinstall the OS so that its on the SSD then.
Gaming with the integrated graphics card of the processor is the worst idea ever. Not only can't you go near 720p and don't even think of 1080p you'll have to play games such as Skyrim on medium with no physx. Again there's plenty of articles around where they tested the performance of integrated graphics. _________________ Free Tibed!
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On the RAM, even 1 stick of 8GB at 1600mhz is good enough. If going for a Kit that come with pair of sticks
then it is fine, don't buy 2 individual 4gb sticks. For heat management or if RAM slots gets constrained due
to cpu cooler etc., it would be easier to relocate a single stick than 2.
If cash is a constraint, drop SSD as OrangeNero said. Check your cabinet, it may not have SSD slot. QUICK_EDIT
In the next few days I'll try to build it as soon as I get the parts (as discount prices are pretty hard to find). The whole thing is about 3700 RON or about 834 euros or 1118 dollars. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:32 pm Post subject:
The Radeon R9 280 is roughly comparable to the GeForce GTX 760 (source) and needs at LEAST 200W TDP.
To run your cards at max, you'll need a little more juice. I would recommend at least an 800w PSU, just to be safe. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
Then why do you need a separate cooling system?
If they will not overclock, the fan of the delivery box will cope with the task.
While the stock heatsink + fan will do, you still get some benefits with a seperate (stronger) cooling system. It makes it possible to overclock in the future if he changes his mind, and it will also make the PC a lot less noisy. The stock fans for 125 W CPUs are pretty horrible, especially AMD ones tend to sound like helicopters. _________________ CnCNet Client | CnCNet TS patches | More Quality-of-Life Improvements for RA Remastered
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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:17 pm Post subject:
Deformat wrote:
-added a Kingston SSD.
Please don't use that one if you haven't ordered yet. It's one of the least stable drives using the particular controller that it has. I don't know what you can get where you live but try to find either the Crucial M550 or the Samsung 840 EVO. Either will be a bit faster than the Kingston, but more importantly, FAR more stable. _________________
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I would have ordered a different AMD setup. Should have gotten an FM2+ board then a quad core APU. Those 8-core AMD FX processors are not worth their price. You would have saved a bit of green then you could have gotten a better SSD. _________________ KGR | AT
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