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Iksilak
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject:  Can't run the game
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Hello there, I would really like to play the mod , but something still goes wrong...

I have downloaded the game by the launcher, seems like everything is fine ( musics downloaded and videos too.

Launcher works fine, I run the DTA.exe to run the game, then i thick the SKIRMISH option and I am able to set up here everything , BUT when I try to launch the game, the main screen goes to the startbar and that's all - nothing goes on more. Just my desktop screen.

Any ideas ?

I am on Win 10, frameworks installed etc.

Which options for graphics should I choose ? windowed mode ? compatibility mode ? I tried few options already, but don't know if I am forced to enable few of them at the same time, and if so, which ones...

Please help  Crying or Very sad

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Iksilak
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

firewall is not blocking anything, same with antivirus.

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Iksilak
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

and when I try to run the game on default graphic options in windowed mode with win 98 comp. mode :



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Iksilak
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I am at 64 bit win op. system

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Lin Kuei Ominae
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

oh god, win10. I doubt anyone has that OS and tested already DTA on it. Thus i doubt anyone can give any help/support for this.
Since win8 was already a pain to get the TS engine running, i wouldn't wonder if win10 is entirely unable to play such old engines.

My only suggestion: get a win7 PC.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
oh god, win10. I doubt anyone has that OS and tested already DTA on it. Thus i doubt anyone can give any help/support for this.
Since win8 was already a pain to get the TS engine running, i wouldn't wonder if win10 is entirely unable to play such old engines.

My only suggestion: get a win7 PC.


Then You are probably wrong Smile no offense of course.

I don't meet any problems with running the old games , for ex. like Tiberian Dawn , red alert 1 & 2 , or others.

I am feeling that I may run it the same way as the users of win 8 , don't know how about 7.

When You are trying to run it at win 7/win 8  , then You are forced to run it with which dependings ?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
I doubt anyone of us/the staff has that OS and tested already DTA on it.

fixed. sorry. meant it from the staff point of view, since we tested the mod before the release, but not on win10.

for win8 it helps trying the different renderer in the options menu.
IE-DDRAW
TS-DDRAW
not sure which one is working since i'm on XP and win7 machines, for which the Default is already working.

But seeing that win10 misses some 16bit desktop dlls, i'm not sure if the renderer options help. Since they are enabling some special ddraw.dll's for the game, they might not be compatible with win10. No clue how win10 handles special direct draw dlls.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Considering what I've heard of Win10... I detect an awesome OS on the horizon.

Yes, I just said that.

I'd rename that DESKCP16.dll - never seen such a file in my C&C dirs.

Win7 x86 didn't needed wacky stuff and ran out of the box. Win8 demands TS-DDRAW as renderer.

Update: I am mixing the dlls. IE-DDRAW needs windowed mode.  Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

All right, so now I am running the game at Win 8.

It starts, ( no compat. mode , only administrator mode ) , BUT when I just move the cursor the game stops for that moment, for example when I move my mouse continously - game is totally stopped. After that I dont move my mouse, game just work like a charm...

Any solution ?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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All right, so now I am running the game at Win 8.

It starts, ( no compat. mode , only administrator mode ) , BUT when I just move the cursor the game stops for that moment, for example when I move my mouse continously - game is totally stopped. After that I dont move my mouse, game just work like a charm...

Any solution ?

Go to options, select "TS-DDRAW" from the Renderer menu and save the settings. If it still doesn't work, post back and tell your system specs (especially your graphics cards). The TS engine is known to have issues with Intel integrated graphics.

We indeed cannot provide support for Windows 10 because no one on our staff runs it. If you get the game working on Windows 10, that's nice, but if you can't get it to work, we won't be able to help you with it yet.

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
My only suggestion: get a win7 PC.

Thanks to hifi's TS-DDRAW Windows 8(.1) actually runs the game nicely. Compared to XP and 7 there is a small amount of noticeable microstuttering, but it's so insignificant that you don't generally pay attention to it while playing.

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Iksilak
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well , couldn't find the way to run it at win 10. Radeon HD 4xxx series ;(

Hopefully got the keys for 7 , 8 and 10 enterprise Smile

After all , I am currently back on 7 , and the game is GORGEOUS - I was always looking for something like this... really innocent.

Great thanks for this !

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Could you try removing wsock32.dll and see if the game runs on Windows 10 then? I've heard that RA1 also won't run when that file is present, but mind that you won't be able to play online without it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:10 pm    Post subject: Windwos 10 64bit Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Bittah Commander wrote:
Could you try removing wsock32.dll and see if the game runs on Windows 10 then? I've heard that RA1 also won't run when that file is present, but mind that you won't be able to play online without it.


Man thank you so much!!! Its work!!! I have win 10//64bit works perfectly! Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It seems confirmed that the CnCNet wsock32.dll is causing the issue on Windows 10. We'll be including a fixed version of that DLL when the CnCNet developers (hifi) update it. In the meanwhile it's possible to play the game by removing the DLL, but multiplayer won't work.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmmm, I tested today CnCNet with hosting game vs AI, everything work's fine.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Were there other human players in the game?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

^Rampastein wrote:
Were there other human players in the game?
No, only vs AI. I'll update this post after testing with brother.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fisher4war wrote:
^Rampastein wrote:
Were there other human players in the game?
No, only vs AI. I'll update this post after testing with brother.


Playing with other players - sync lost Sad.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As expected. CnCNet needs its custom wsock32.dll to work.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've got the very same problems as described in the first post of this thread, when I try to run the game in fullscreen mode.
And I'm running Win 7 64.

Two of my mates tried it as well, both also running on win 7, and had the very same issue.


On my own machine (haven't tried on the others) I was able to fix it temporarily (but reproduceable) by this procedure:
Start the game in TS-Render Mode. (This mode doesn't work very well for me, I always have to restart the session to even make my mouse working. And then it keeps freezing for several seconds everytime I enter the menu.).

Once I've done that, I quit the game, restart it and switch back to default render again.

I can then play the game with the default render, without any problems. I can also quit the game and restart it and still won't get any problems.

The issue however is back as soon as I reboot my computer.

Any ideas?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm sorry, I forgot to add my system stats:

Win 7 64 Pro with SP1
i5-3570k
8GB RAM
GeForce GTX 680

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does your system and your friends' systems have anything in common (hardware, software)? Usually Windows 7 runs the game fine with non-Intel GPUs.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think an Nvidia driver update messed up TS and RA2. Recently mine have started having problems similar to Win8 users where menu items graphics fail to load or update properly and it's fixed somewhat in windowed mode.

I'm on Win7 64bit and have had no issues until recently, I'm presuming it was the graphics driver updates.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just updated my Nvidia drivers to confirm this (I'm also on Win7 64bit) and it appears I'm getting horrible performance now as well. Scrolling arround lags horribly and when I'm not scrolling, the game freezes for 2 seconds or so after every so many seconds. Additionally the ingame menus also lag horribly and are completely invisible until I click a button.

Placing Aqrit's ddraw.dll file from the topic I linked to in the game dir improves the performance, but I still get much better performance by changing the renderer from Default to TS-DDRAW instead.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So it's an Nvidia driver issue. I recommend contacting their customer support informing them about a bug in the drivers. In the meanwhile downgrading drivers or using different renderers (including TS-DDRAW and the one Bittah linked to in his earlier post) might improve the situation.

I can't contact them myself because I'm using a AMD graphics card (HD 7850).

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've just confirmed that the issues started with version 344.48 and version 344.11 is the latest version that works fine.

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