Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:25 am Post subject:
Mod demo?
I've been working on this sort of Secret Labs expansion, where neutral structures give lots of extra units, and secret labs unlock an additional tier of unit and base defences... as well as adding special abilities to some garrison structures and so on...
I don't really intend to release THIS particular project as a full mod; however i would like to share the things i've been working on... as a concept showcase or as a possible source for ideas or whatever... Something to give ideas potentially, or get new modders up and running. (I'd probably be listing a lot of script and how to put it together and whatnot). There are a lot of things i intend on working out and sharing, for example giving a sound ini compatible with the stock game that gives radio blips to all units, reworking a lot of basic things, designing units and weapons etc (minus images).
Anyways, what i want to ask is where do you think would be a good place that people will see, to host something that isn't a mod per se?
Reason being, is i have a lot of assets i've gathered up over the years and things i've collected and probably some i've ripped from other mods, and don't really intend to find the sources and give credit (if it's even possible to find some of that old stuff, i used to brows archive sites which are now dead). Basically i want to just declare that none of the assets (aside from the ini's) are mine, and merely as demo/experimentation. _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:20 pm Post subject:
You cannot release anything involving ripped assets. If images don't matter then just replace them with the first 50 PPM voxels/SHPs you find and good to go. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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WeiDU mods: Random Graion Tweaks | Graion's Soundsets
Maintainance: Extra Expanded Enhanced Encounters! | BGEESpawn
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I have no idea what's ripped, if anything, the stuff is so old lol. Much of the assets i've literally had for years, and no idea where it came from.
So i can't even if i make open announcements that the assets are not mine and that the ownership of said things belong to their respective owners (i don't even care if an owner notices and tells me to credit them)
PS: that forum doesn't have posts since last year. Not an ideal place to show things.
I probably won't list any downloads of units themselves anyways. I mostly intend to show and tell, again as a concept showcase to help newcomers or help those who ran out of creativity, or simply as something they'd like to add or change. (anything i do list for download would be of my making, like ini settings or sounds or w/e. and it's not like we all obey copyright very well, for ripping assets from other games. modding communities tend to hold each other's assets as more prized than that of those who put more dedication into making commercially viable works. techncially sharing of copyrighted works is legal under non-profit agreement; ie "for educational and promotional purposes"... and commercial copyright has more rules/protection than non-commercial copyright but anyways) I have zero intention to claim ownership, i don't care if my ideas get stolen, i rather someone use my ideas than not lol (someone wanting to use your stuff should be flattering, it means they like your stuff that much, but hey people have their opinions on stuff). I respect people's opinion on things, but i dunno how they feel about something if they don't tell me. (for example if i were to use something and someone were to explicitly tell me not to use their stuff, i'd be like "hey that's cool, if you don't want me showin off ur stuff i won't, but is it really a big deal?") Mods are for fun, doing what you want, and maybe portfolio, but no reason to be uptight unless ur moving towards commercializing :).
Regardless, as said it's not meant to be a released at all, just a concept model, a show-off thing, maybe a tutorial/guide base. I just wanna know what you think might be the best place to put a lot of pictures, and explanations / ini rules that'll get seen. (but for example: i'm not all that familiar with moddb policies, it seems to be like deviantart where they assume you automatically claim ownership for what you post, i don't wish to claim ownership) Really, just suggestions: "this is what you could maybe do with something like this, try making your own version"
Anyways i'm rambling.
Basically, to the point:
I just wanna show what i come up with, the things i actually design (implementations, weapons tweaks, anything short of the images/animations themselves), instead of keeping it all to myself.
I'd even add a bulletin, something like: "i do not claim ownership to any of the visual or auditory assets, they are used for demonstration purposes only, credit belongs to their respective owners"
So again, where would be a good place to set up a place to use as a demonstration base (possibly even as communal thing) where i, and potentially others can share ideas (not assets) with tangible examples, without causing a fuss over ownership and not being forced to make my own models/images/animations or use stock ones only? I just don't wanna have to worry about what is what, hundreds of assets, many years old, no idea where many of them came from. Ideally, in the future it would become a place for people to dump stuff, unused assets, excess, random projects with nowhere to go. But for now i just want to show what i'm working, maybe get feedback or ideas from others, on without releasing anything. Making a thread for it here would get lost in the forums (i guess maybe unless it got stickied, but going through a forum thread for pages to look at what someone is working on is a hassle). Maybe a blog? _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
My suggestion is to share the stuff the way you want so long as you clarify that you didn't make the assets yourself. If someone has a problem with you using their asset(s) you'll hear about it, and you'll know who created them. It's better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Osaka (JP)/Hong Kong/Germany
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:24 pm Post subject:
Well, there is a Private Mods subforum... I think it's fine to post anything there, I've even seen screenshots of ripped things. As long as you don't make them downloadable, I think it's not against the rules of that place. _________________
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Allied General already suggested that, but nobody posts there anymore. I want a place where i can show what i'm doing and probably explain how you make stuff like that. I just want to know if anyone knows where a good place for that is... _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:24 am Post subject:
That is the place, dumdum. "Nobody has anything there to post." more exactly atm with the active private projects going silently. Since everybody runs aimed-to-be-public mods. I - for example - pretty certain would read it because I read all posts, no matter where they got posted on this forum, lol.
Stop being attention whore. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Past C&C projects: Attacque Supérior (2010-2019); Valiant Shades (2019-2021)
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WeiDU mods: Random Graion Tweaks | Graion's Soundsets
Maintainance: Extra Expanded Enhanced Encounters! | BGEESpawn
Contributions: EE Fixpack | Enhanced Edition Trilogy | DSotSC (Trilogy) | UB_IWD | SotSC & a lot more... QUICK_EDIT
GOt nothing to do with attention whoring... there's no point in showing if nobody sees it. And not much point if the only people who see it are those who already know most of it. _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
You run a private mod given you have assets you have 'borrowed' from other mods (without permission) and thus it belongs under private mods forum.
Other forums portray mods/content showing intent for public release/use and play by different rules.
Admittedly other half of issue may be that not too many care for as some assets given oldness are potentially outdated quality so may not be of that much interest unless you have actually improved quality or so.
Bulk may even be originally public stuff thats forgotten about, you'd be best off starting by pictures and for the record, many use the newest post method to browse this forum than going strictly to specific subforum only but honestly not that many frequent forums so may not get attention regardless of forum given its just 'old stuff' you wanna display... QUICK_EDIT
That's what i meant: forums not very trafficed... I mean websites, not forums... Like modb is designed for releases only far as i know... A place to display stuff, forums are not very guest-friendly. _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Osaka (JP)/Hong Kong/Germany
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:18 am Post subject:
Some limitations are just given by the size of the community, there is no real "solution" to it I think... maybe there is a modding website aimed at a more general audience, but chances are that any C&C subforum there would also not get much more attention (perhaps less) than you would get here.
Private Mods may be inactive right now, but once you post there, it wouldn't be anymore?
Maybe you should just take a day to figure out the sources/authors of the assets you have used and wether they were public? Or else, just find new things, or, since you're mainly showing "proof of concepts" (I think?) maybe just use dummy graphics?
Like Graion, I would probably read all your posts, regardless of forum. I like your ideas and experiments. _________________
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Our mission, unfinished, may take a thousand years.
there's no way to figure it out lol... the websites i used to go to for a lot of voxels and shp's no longer exist so i can't confirm anything. i'd have to look up like every mod ever and look at their assets to try and see, and even then i won't know if they didn't use public stuff... we're talking stuff from like 2007 and back. _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:23 pm Post subject:
GenesisAria wrote:
That's what i meant: forums not very trafficed... I mean websites, not forums... Like modb is designed for releases only far as i know... A place to display stuff, forums are not very guest-friendly.
ModDB can be used for WiP stuff as well QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Osaka (JP)/Hong Kong/Germany
Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:13 pm Post subject:
GenesisAria wrote:
So again, where would be a good place to set up a place to use as a demonstration base (possibly even as communal thing) where i, and potentially others can share ideas (not assets) with tangible examples, without causing a fuss over ownership and not being forced to make my own models/images/animations or use stock ones only? [...] Maybe a blog?
It's this forum. Of course it's possible to make a blog on modding (I have a blog on game design in general, because I used to do some work for a big gaming company). But for C&C in particular I think this forum and Revora are the places with most attention. QUICK_EDIT
I think i might just say screw it and go moddb . . . i don't think i actually am using any ripped assets from other mods . . . if i am without realizing it, i'll keep using it till someone says otherwise XD
The point is to be able to show pics and descriptions and hav eit organized... On a forum everything will just be chronological regardless... (unless i edit like a psycho)
I wanted somewhere where i could show off test units and experimentations, but it seems like i'm finding myself slowly creeping towards having a reasonable mod... _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
Sounds like a pain. Wikia's aren't very intuitive either. There's no navigation menus or anything for those... _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
Making menus the old fashioned way sucks. You need access to the CSS templates for that crap. Wikia doesn't let you do that.
I swear though, reading this stuff, people sure as hell make a huge deal out of modding, like it's mega serious business. RIp off the copyrights all you want, but stuff other modders make is illegal no tochey... lol.
I'll start it up on moddb when i get my hands on some screenshots and stuff... People can talk about stuff in the comments i guess...
Still not ideal. I'd want something half way between a show site like moddb and a forum. somewhere easy to show stuff, but with room for discussion but not all obsessed with content release :X _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
I think he means it's better to not worry until someone says something... If you dunno that is... Give credit when reminded. So long as it's known you're not claiming their work as your own.
Though that wording does sound dirty.
Overview found here:
http://www.ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=528907
gonna stop babbling and put it there. when i get more going (find credit, and get screenshots and all that jazz) i'll throw stuff up on moddb. _________________ ????????MyAnimeList my Last.fm QUICK_EDIT
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Mod demo?
