I'm not really a history buff, but i learn things here and there, pick up on stuff i maybe wasn't supposed to know, etc.  I forget a lot of details cuz i don't care much, but it's mildly interesting.

I'm sure this thread intimidates people now though because of all the text.

Some things I can't do, or refuse to do, because they simply don't compute in my imagination - say, a modern-day Latin American faction centered on cybernetics, like that Cybersyn Argentina thing in ECHOES (I COULD make an ancient maya/aztec/inca faction with cybernetics, though, if you also allow me to have aliens/ancient astronauts ).

Probably a kind of odd and unusual help offer, but eh.

That's not design, that's just giving names. And that has nothing to do with real modding but just write down some texts. From your description won't come out certain assets, weapon codes, etc. Calling that design is unfair. Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon can be just another 120mm without description about behavior.

For the grenade part. Can you modify the movement of projectiles so they look different? Will you at least add a grenade projectile shp?

To put it bluntly: I don't think you can be an inspirator for any project steering away from realism.

That's quite my point. From what I read is some emphasis on what side should use what kind of weapon, but that's certainly the aspect of modding that no experienced modder needs advice. Be it naming, choosing weapon,"whether it fits with their fluff and playstyle", there is nothing concerning real modding.Even you claim it does, then where is the part that exceeds HTNKKs?

I would make the gun less effective against vehicles, but I would add chemicals to it.

That kind of technology just seems to grate with a psi/mutation/toxin-themed side

but the function itself is a great idea I think.

maybe a certain faction (Scrin) uses not tanks, but biological creatures.

dissembles/absorbs nearly-defeated enemy vehicles and makes their turret its own, gaining their weapon.

Everyone can make up a suitable story for it.

That's exactly what can be called new. Lower efficiency vs certain targets is not. Adding emp\mutation\psychedelic effect is just one step away from vanilla RA2/YR and is done too may times.

And not only the simple idea but also HOW to do it. An idea without the meanings to achieve the effect is just daydream. Like the following:


You need to create the assets. And a concept drawing is also needed to create such things. Not simply the words "biological creatures", I can say it too.

That's just RA3. And you need to get the old YR engine work that way. Much harder work to code Ares than the few inis.

So last question, if you would like to answer:
What kind of support power you would like to add to this building? We have planned the support superweapons for it. Just want to know what can you think of.

"We decide to add a secondary vehicle production line for every faction to provide more tactical choices to players.
The secondary production line for the U.S. is this weird structure, Tactical Air Control.
You can build helicopters here, independent from the War Factory.
All helicopters built here will be veteran."

Hey cool down plz!
I beliebe what kenosis means is that "talking designs on paper without seriously considering the possibily to implement them in YR engine" is not proper.

Yeah, Allied tanks getting CIWS killing nearby infantry while Russian tanks shoot ATGM for long-range encounter is a great design. However, personally I think most of the modders in this community can easily come up and code something like this. (for example the T-80 has got its Refleks long ago in EASB Hour)

And I believe Kenosis's somewhat straightforward attitude here has its reason: In Chinese YR modding community there're hordes of noobs bragging about their genius "designs" but can't code even a simple spawned aircraft, let alone making original SHP or VXL assets...
Sorry for carrying this attitude here. Let's talk in peace...

Indeed there are instances where modders get a lack of "designs". For example: B.A.Znd still can't decide what tanks should China in his mod(with a 1950-era background, WWII ended halfway) use since historically PLA had nothing qualified as a capable tank back then......But I personally believe none can find a legitimate design anyway.

Of course, people can indeed run out of ideas and an experienced modder willing to help is definitely a great thing. But "fighting a cold war" there is seemingly not quite proper...even if the RA2 itself has a shadow of the Cold War.

Yes, you are making a great mod that has unique features, like active protection on tanks, but I feel many mods "under-use" such cool features... it's those people I would like to help, just with sharing ideas if they need them.

I'm also horrible at making graphics, I admitt it!

Yes, I think I could not help you guys with anything that you wouldn't have considered on your own yet. Maybe some sides don't need tanks at all though. Maybe they have different strategies/methods - assault guns, tank destroyers, towed artillery.

Sorry for the possible offence.

Btw, I have to mention that apart from some outdated SU-76M and T-34, what a historically realistic 50-era PLA can possibly rely on in a RA2ish tank combat is just something like tank traps or men carrying explosive packs...

It sounds very interesting if you decide to do it that way in your mod!

I never said my ideas were unique, they're just, I don't know, unit concepts that some might want to consider, even if they've been done before. Having a chem-shell tank is certainly more interesting that having the N-th light tank with an ordinary gun.

most of the modders in this community can easily come up and code something like this

"talking designs on paper without seriously considering the possibily to implement them in YR engine" is not proper.

"bush robot" is not concerning an Ares tag.You should give the exact flag for it in ares documentation.

And for the TAC building. You didnt come up with something more than I have expected.

As for the touhou stuff. It is a modified version of this

I wont consider my reuse of own old stuff is creative. It is not airburst. It is forced shrapnel.

You can't really help people who are out of ideas with the "where it should fit"/ plain idea

"tanks that shoot missiles and cannons" is just idea. "tanks uses gattling system to first shoot a missile and then cannons" is what can be useful.

"cannon shell that can deal both normal damage and psychedelic effect" is idea, but "psychedelic warhead on weapon and normal damage on animation" is what is really needed. (Dont you take this example too seriously, I know many ways to do this with different patches, this is just one stupid way with lots of problems.)

if a modder can really use some help, you should at least mention the game logic.  That's the most difficult part in modding and in which one could need help.

For the lab prototype part. Many fancy effects in EASB Hour is adapted from the old lab mod. You don't like the prototypes, is that a problem? Modify it then.

I don't understand the question "do they play well in game".

A battleship launching brute is nonsense, but this serves as a logic of "creating own infantry with weapon". Do you fail to see that?

Differs from your given example, "Yuri gets shells that don't work as well against armor, but make infantry go psycho and on elite, maybe mutate them"

Our team talk is always like :
"use this weapon logic with a this looking asset"
"use this logic so this unit can have this effect, and we make up a story like this"

When run into issues with designing coherent factions, such modder talks surly helps more than just concepts.

We talk about real doable solutions, not just description of how things SHOULD look like.

The most problems people have is just " I can't come up with interesting/unique weapon systems for the Eastasian air units". This especially needs to be realistic on the game engine features.

like the TAC sw design:
TransC:"use has air superiority, so use this sw to set up a no fly zone, interceptors will shoot down enemy fliers that fly by"
Kenosis:"how"
Trans_C:"deliver a unit that look like a no fly zone sign,shp vehicle, shooting normal inviso weapons, weapon warhead animation is interceptor coming, unit own firing anim does damage to itself so it shoots down limited amount of aircraft"
Kenosis:"but the animation will be repeated.....wait, use a gattling and different anims on stages, set ratedown negative so it will look random. Also, since USA has the satellite/laser weapons, we can also make it shooting laser from very high point so lasers look straight."
TransC:"then lets create both of them and see which is better"

I kinda expected talks like that in this thread. Paradrops, attacheffect buffs, and other direct use of patch features can't really be considered innovation. They are in the manual and anyone that RTFM can get them.