Now I am trying understand this comparator mess...
I have been reading through ModENC-comparator, and some things just are not adding up...
Code:
0A44F17C-G=Soviet Dog Refinery Guards,0A4520CC-G,<all>,2,0,SPY,0100000003000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,5000.000000,5000.000000,5000.000000,1,0,1,0,0A4520CC-G,0,1,1
first operand = SPY ?
eight chunks of eight hexadecimal characters
01000000 <-contains the second argument?
03000000 <-octet contains the operator? operator should be ">=" ?
00000000
00000000
00000000
00000000
00000000
00000000
Code:
0A452E5C-G=Soviet Terror D vs Allies,0A454B9C-G,<all>,4,0,MTNK,0800000003000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,70.000000,10.000000,70.000000,1,0,2,0,<none>,0,0,1
first operand = MTNK ?
eight chunks of eight hexadecimal characters
08000000 <-contains the second argument?
03000000 <-octet contains the operator? operator should be ">=" ?
00000000
00000000
00000000
00000000
00000000
00000000
If you run 01000000 or 08000000 through Here it returns the Little Endian value of 1 and 8...
Now I am not really sure 01000000 can be even run through some kind of converter...
I any case this just doesnt make since... How can the second argument be 1 or 8....
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Are you aware of the contents of everything related to AITriggerTypes and friends?
Like TaskForces can only have 6 entries, reading from 0= to 5=, if '3=' is missing, the game stops reading 4= and 5=.
Same goes for ScriptTypes where the limit is 50, 0= to 49=.
Are you aware of the contents of everything related to AITriggerTypes and friends?
Like TaskForces can only have 6 entries, reading from 0= to 5=, if '3=' is missing, the game stops reading 4= and 5=.
Same goes for ScriptTypes where the limit is 50, 0= to 49=.
No I am not sure about everything related to AITriggerTypes and friends... Its been a wail since I modded Ra2/Yr...
I do remember the issue about missing index numbers creating problems.
I did not remember the limits, is that info out of the exe or the map editor or is the limits known to be that...? either thanks for the heads up!
Also does anyone know if the last 6 chunks are really unused?
Code:
eight chunks of eight hexadecimal characters
01000000 <-contains the second argument?
03000000 <-octet contains the operator? operator should be ">=" ?
He does state that, "I haven't yet located anything else about this, but it doesn't seem the latter ones are actually used, meaning multi-conditional triggers would be unfortunately impossible" with regards to the comperator.
If you can C++, I implemented the behavior of the game when it comes to TeamTypes, ScriptTypes and TaskForces.
The limits I linked you came from the game and are used in my map editor. If you want to join in you're more than welcome
I'd also like to see more research done for Group, currently I gather all the Group IDs of the units on the map and fill a list with them, but the special indexes are unknown to me :/ _________________
If you can C++, I implemented the behavior of the game when it comes to TeamTypes, ScriptTypes and TaskForces.
What?
Quote:
The limits I linked you came from the game and are used in my map editor. If you want to join in you're more than welcome
I would join but I have no idea how long my re-interest will last with RA2/YR... I just needed some thing to play around with javascript.
Quote:
I'd also like to see more research done for Group, currently I gather all the Group IDs of the units on the map and fill a list with them, but the special indexes are unknown to me :/
Ah, I guess i will eventually have a look at that and see if it does anything.
Anyways, another question from me.
What the best way to handle the value "n" for flags such as Move To Enemy Structure "n"... It looks as though the "n" value is the rules index number +1, is that right?... And then there are values such as 196609 for some allied building... A long time ago I knew how that value was made but now I forgot...
Witch is better the ID num +1 or longer number? Or does it matter? _________________ MadHQ's Graveyard - Click here!
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As for the C++ part, it was supposed to say "if you can read C++". I implemented the parsing and reading of those types based off the game's behavior.
The indexes do matter. It is just the index in the list, no '+1' what so ever.
About those bigger numbers, those exist for selecting a more specific building, like so:
DCoder wrote:
Attack Enemy Structure, Move To Enemy Structure, ChronoSphere to Enemy Structure, Move To Friendly Structure:
argument is the building's index in the [BuildingTypes] list, with one flag having four possible values:
Values:
Value 0 - pick structure whose position poses the least threat
Value 1 - pick structure whose position poses the most threat
Value 2 - pick structure which is closest to you
Value 3 - pick structure which is the farthest away from you
In hexadecimal, the result is argument = flag * 0x10000 | buildingIndex.
In layman's terms, at first the argument is the building's index. Add (Value * 65536) to the index to get the final argument you should use. This sets a theoretical limit of max 65536 (#0 - #65535) BuildingTypes in the game, should you feel insane enough to try that.
Code:
argument = flag * 0x10000 | buildingIndex.
buildingIndex =
TYPE = 0, 1, 2, 3
CONSTANT = 65536
ACTUALINDEX = TYPE * CONSTANT + INDEX
131082 = 2 * 65536 + 10
The indexes do matter. It is just the index in the list, no '+1' what so ever.
Code:
Aimd.ini
[0A6E54EC-G]
Name=Allied Anti-Nuke Transport
0=54,0
1=14,0
2=43,0
3=47,54 <---- Shouldnt this be 55?
4=8,2
5=49,0
6=46,54 <---- Shouldnt this be 55?
7=0,2
8=0,1
rulesmd.ini
52=NEGLAMP
53=NEGRED
54=TESLA <----- Not NukeSilo
55=NAMISL
56=ATESLA
57=CAMACH
That stuff is out of stock ini files... This is why I am thinking +1 on building index from from rules... Does the game engine ignore the ini files index number and start the index at zero?
anyways i am wondering if any one has any thoughts/ideas on this AI editor im working on... does it make since? I am trying to make it really easy to understand and use...
No download needed, runs through browser...
Link: http://zombapro.ppmsite.com/iniedit/aiedit.html
Still things i need to change/add with the script sections...
So far it only loads the aimd.ini I have hosted. (I plan make it so the ini files can be loaded.)
Does not save anything yet...
Does not have any way to add trigger/team/task/script yet...
And there is still a few things I need finish like some of the team flags:
VeteranLevel
MindControlDecision
House
Priority
Max
TechLevel
Group <--- I think just -1 or -2
Im am just not sure what the inputs allow... _________________ MadHQ's Graveyard - Click here!
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That stuff is out of stock ini files... This is why I am thinking +1 on building index from from rules... Does the game engine ignore the ini files index number and start the index at zero?
Yes, you can put anything at the left hand sight of the equals character.
MindControlDecision
0 - Don't care
1 - Add to TeamType
2 - Put in Grinder
3 - Put in Bio Reactor
4 - Go to Hunt
5 - Guard
House
This one is dynamic, as this is for the AI INI only, it should contain all available [Countries] entries, which for YR are:
ModEnc wrote:
0=Americans
1=Alliance
2=French
3=Germans
4=British
5=Africans
6=Arabs
7=Confederation
8=Russians
9=YuriCountry ;this country appears only in YR, it is not present in RA2
10=GDI
11=Nod
12=Neutral
13=Special
Priority
No clue, just an integer value I guess. The higher the priority, the more likely it is built?
Max
This defines how many of these teams can exist together I believe.
TechLevel
This should range from 0 to [Multiplayer/MPDialogSettings]TechLevel='s value in rules.ini
This is not hardcoded to 1 - 10!
Group
There are probably more unique ID's that can be used here, otherwise it could be all the Group ID's of units on the map (but you don't have those lol). So in short: not really a clue.
MadHQ wrote:
And theres still a few things i need to change/add with the script sections.
Is there anything you need from me to get that done?
Don't forget to add that thing from DCoder for targeting structures :p
Aimd.ini
[0A6E54EC-G]
Name=Allied Anti-Nuke Transport
0=54,0
1=14,0
2=43,0
3=47,54 <---- Shouldnt this be 55?
4=8,2
5=49,0
6=46,54 <---- Shouldnt this be 55?
7=0,2
8=0,1
rulesmd.ini
54=TESLA <----- Not NukeSilo
55=NAMISL
This is correct, as far as the referencing... the numerical ID in rules.ini minus 1.
I know my rules.ini list is missing some items, so it's not a contiguous list, if they were all "re-numbered" from 0, then higher ID buildings would never match up to the (ID - 1) rule but they do. QUICK_EDIT
MadHQ, please disregard that.
G-E is contradicting himself by saying that the -1 rule applies, but not in his rules.ini... What?
Either way, look at this.
I believe this sums it up pretty nicely:
ModEnc wrote:
The object arrays ( [InfantryTypes] , [Movies] , [Tiberiums], etc. ) are internally 0-based. That means, the first item listed in such an array will always have index #0 ingame, the second one will be #1, and so on, regardless of what the text on the left of the equals sign says. You can have things like a^2+b^2=CSQUARED and the game would recognize CSQUARED and put it into the array correctly.
These internal indices are a way how the game refers to these objects, widely used by AI scripts and map triggers. So, a map trigger action that says "Play Animation #250 at waypoint 45" will play the animation that has the internal index of #250 in the [Animations] list, which is not necessarily [Animations]250=.
Any "-1" or "+1" rule only applies per INI, Mental Omega's rules.ini looks different than YR's and has a different list.
In this case the BuildingTypes list in YR's rulesmd.ini starts at 1. Internally it is remapped to index 0.
This means that the indexes are off by 1. But this only applies to this specific rulesmd.ini.
If I add something at the top with let's say "0=MYBLDNG", this whole rule is wrong. Same goes for removing an entry or adding one in between the lines.
So this is what it would look like for YR. It's the internal array that my map editor generates, http://pastebin.com/GTdnEM5k
EDIT: It's an old dump, so it could contain some inconsistencies. _________________
On groups and recruitment (testing my understanding):
Unique Group id is used with Recruiter=no, to recruit from the same group units, thus avoid recruiting
from other groups. SP maps use 0, +ve and -ve numbers. AI ini typically use -1 (TS uses -40094 as well)
(Have tried -3, -4 etc. as well for uniqueness)
Group=-1 is no group case used as default by the game (starting units, drop pods/paradrops/crates,
escape units from buildings etc.). Game recruits such free units whenever available and applicable by
default.
Group=-2 is any group case (even with Recruiter=no), it allows other groups to recruit from its team.
TeamType's group is used for checking except when Group=-1 where it checks for its task force's group.
Recruiter=yes allows inter-group recruitment without any group checks.
When a team finishes its script actions, they become available for recruitment. They loose the teamtype
attributes of Priority and AreTeamMembersRecruitable, but the game still checks the Group from its
teamtype first (if it is -1, then check taskforce). Max count of the teamtype are still obeyed. If all the freed
units from a team are recruited, then that teamtype gets a slot vacant for one more in the Max count.
In case of recruitment from active teams (when Recruiter and Group values permit them), where the team
hasn't completed its script actions, TeamType with higher Priority= can recruit team members from lower
Priority TeamType with AreTeamMembersRecruitable=yes. Equal Priority doesn't allow that. When only
partial of an active team is recruited, the remaining members continue their scripted mission.
On structure number: Refer DCoder's explanation.
Position in the [BuildingTypes] list should be taken, counting with 0.
Low/high threat case - Threat is cumulative. For example, if there are units near a building, its threat value
will be higher. When selecting from equal threat buildings, AI will choose the one which was constructed
first by the target side. (Threat is from enemy. Friendlies doesn't pose threat / becomes a case of equal
threat. e.g. Move to friendly structure)
When there are equidistant buildings (near/far case), the team may split and target more than one building.
Max - Max count for that team. -1 is unlimited. In some cases when recruitment is involved, there are
chances that 2-3 more than max team value could be produced.
House - Entry in AITriggerType should supercede in case they belong differently.
Higher Priority doesn't mean it will be built over low priority teams. Higher weight in AITriggerType gets
more chance, so is the team referred by it
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Typical AI Editor should be able to read rules ini so that unit name, building names etc. could be picked
up for drop downs and structure number could be computed. There is an open source AI Editor in CnC
Editing tools subforum by Askeladd. QUICK_EDIT
MadHQ, please disregard that.
G-E is contradicting himself by saying that the -1 rule applies, but not in his rules.ini... What?
I didn't contradict myself, I said every BuildingType index is referenced as ID minus 1.
I said if I have 300 buildings, and I add a 301st with the index of 400=, to access it with ai.ini in an attack, I will have to reference 399 as the building number.
I didn't contradict myself, I said every BuildingType index is referenced as ID minus 1.
I said if I have 300 buildings, and I add a 301st with the index of 400=, to access it with ai.ini in an attack, I will have to reference 399 as the building number.
That's it.
Right, you are saying something that is complete bullshit.
Read the article I linked in my previous post, or even the quote and you (and I pray to God that you do) understand how it works.
EDIT: Woops, missed E1's post.
The priority I meant was about TeamTypes. Don't the AITriggerType weights define which trigger has a greater priority?
I know it sounds wrong, but from what I read is that you have to give a trigger an extremely high weight to make sure it is built regularely/first.
I don't see the relationship between the priority in teams.
Basically you're saying that they aren't used because the AITriggerType already has a weight, thus the team attached to it automatically does, too. _________________
Unless this was changed in YR, it's been functioning exactly like that for me since I started modding...
Until recently I had several of my added building's in the 300's, and moved them into the lower numbers. It didn't matter how many indexes were missing between 0 and the target. _________________ http://www.moddb.com/mods/scorched-earth-ra2-mod-with-smart-ai QUICK_EDIT
I'm not going to discuss this further with you.
At least since Tiberian Sun this is how it works.
There are people who reverse engineered this for both TS and YR.
Either you had a perfect list, or you cannot remember exactly what you did back in the day. _________________
I'm not going to discuss this further with you.
At least since Tiberian Sun this is how it works.
There are people who reverse engineered this for both TS and YR.
Either you had a perfect list, or you cannot remember exactly what you did back in the day.
Perhaps you're right about that, I actually did rearrange a lot of things...
When I got back into things I started with a fresh list and started moving things around again to clean up some inconsistencies and whatnot, maybe I just never noticed the symptoms of the few broken scripts. I did this because I had 2 forks of my ai.ini, one that I had iced with some unresolved issues, and one I had updated a bit after my crash from an older source, I did my best to eliminate all possible reasons for the crashes, including writing my checking scripts.
I'll verify this is the case tomorrow. I apologize if I'm wrong about this, don't be mad... QUICK_EDIT
I didn't contradict myself, I said every BuildingType index is referenced as ID minus 1.
I said if I have 300 buildings, and I add a 301st with the index of 400=, to access it with ai.ini in an attack, I will have to reference 399 as the building number.
That's it.
Right, you are saying something that is complete bullshit.
Read the article I linked in my previous post, or even the quote and you (and I pray to God that you do) understand how it works.
EDIT: Woops, missed E1's post.
The priority I meant was about TeamTypes. Don't the AITriggerType weights define which trigger has a greater priority?
I know it sounds wrong, but from what I read is that you have to give a trigger an extremely high weight to make sure it is built regularely/first.
I don't see the relationship between the priority in teams.
Basically you're saying that they aren't used because the AITriggerType already has a weight, thus the team attached to it automatically does, too.
Dude I mean no offense, but do you realize how much of a jerk you're being? That dude has been around since the beginning of RA2 modding, be a little respectful at least. _________________ PreRA2 Dev Lead QUICK_EDIT
Out of all people you start bashing, Symphonic? You just made my day.
Or is it because I never did any of those maps for you because you never contacted me?
I'm not being a jerk, I'm just making it clear that when I come up with answer that is backed up with sources, and someone comes about and says things don't work like that for the third time in two days, I might be a bit irritated.
I don't give a damn how long you're about in the community, if you give bullshit answers like the scenario above, you can expect a reply like mine.
He didn't even read what I posted, otherwise he would not have said anything after that which contradicts my statements.
I may have overreacted a bit, but I get annoyed when this kind of things happen.
And then it's the workings of the internet and interpretation of plain text that does the rest.
I wasn't mad at you, just annoyed.
As for the 128k and 192k addition, are you referring to this?
DCoder wrote:
Attack Enemy Structure, Move To Enemy Structure, ChronoSphere to Enemy Structure, Move To Friendly Structure:
argument is the building's index in the [BuildingTypes] list, with one flag having four possible values:
Values:
Value 0 - pick structure whose position poses the least threat
Value 1 - pick structure whose position poses the most threat
Value 2 - pick structure which is closest to you
Value 3 - pick structure which is the farthest away from you
In hexadecimal, the result is argument = flag * 0x10000 | buildingIndex.
In layman's terms, at first the argument is the building's index. Add (Value * 65536) to the index to get the final argument you should use. This sets a theoretical limit of max 65536 (#0 - #65535) BuildingTypes in the game, should you feel insane enough to try that.
In my testing that's not how it manifests, and I did lots of tests with this, with engineers too.
What I found is that adding 192k is like telling your team to ignore everything else, and go attack/move to the target. This means that it will attack a structure where it's likely to get killed trying, or while it's being shot at.
Adding 132k did the opposite, it would not approach the target at all if there was a threat nearby, it would stop about 10 tiles away and sit there like a tree if it couldn't find a safe path around.
My tests consisted of placing 1 building of the type for the AI to go after, while I did various things to disturb it, like placing units in the path to block access, or actively trying to irritate them with passive units that only guard within their proximity.
64k didn't seem to have any effect on my single target tests, but seemed to have the effect of more randomly choosing a target on a fuller map with several matching targets, not necessarily the easiest one either.
This behaviour would override the TeamType's AvoidThreats= and other aggression modifiers.
Which means you can have a team follow it's usual behaviour, and explicitly force the behaviour in a given instance -- also handy when using the same script for various types of teams.
With a single building as target, all the 4 structure number will select the same building. Your test is invalid.
The easiest way to test is to make a building with large adjacent value and in game, build 2/3 of them and
place them near and far from the AI base - for near/far case. And then observe the AI response.
For low/high threat case, build 2/3 of the same building and place some of your units near one of them.
The behaviour of not responding to attacks is achieved by Suicide=yes in its team type.
AvoidThreats=yes selects the path to its destination which avoids threat. This threat evaluation is done
periodically, rather than on every cell travelled by the units.
Target selection, path selection and unit engagement behaviour are different, so shouldn't be mixed. QUICK_EDIT
BTW did you miss the part where I said 128k won't approach? Surely that's not invalid too?
I think it is, because if you have a BuildingType at the index of 0 in the internal array, that would be the index and thus be targeted.
Code:
ACTUALINDEX = TYPE * CONSTANT + INDEX
131072 = 2 * 65536 + 0
Did you happen to put GAPOWR on the map?
Either that or it has some fallback to take some structure when the one that is supposed to be INDEX does not exist. _________________
Out of all people you start bashing, Symphonic? You just made my day.
Or is it because I never did any of those maps for you because you never contacted me?
I didn't bash you, and I frankly didn't even remember who you are. _________________ PreRA2 Dev Lead QUICK_EDIT
Well this will be an interesting read... I will have to read all that tomorrow... I am little tied and frustrated... Damn binary vxl files... _________________ MadHQ's Graveyard - Click here!
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BTW did you miss the part where I said 128k won't approach? Surely that's not invalid too?
I think it is, because if you have a BuildingType at the index of 0 in the internal array, that would be the index and thus be targeted.
Code:
ACTUALINDEX = TYPE * CONSTANT + INDEX
131072 = 2 * 65536 + 0
Did you happen to put GAPOWR on the map?
Either that or it has some fallback to take some structure when the one that is supposed to be INDEX does not exist.
No I clearly remember it would head towards it and stop, not pick some other building... It also applies to air attacks, they won't if there's AA defenses nearby. And no I wasn't using GAPOWR to test QUICK_EDIT
Deezire's guide doesn't have the correct meaning for the structure number usage. Looks like you haven't
understood the concept.
Typically a base would have one instance of conyard or tech center. In such cases, any of the 4 structure
number reference would lead to the same building. In cases like power plants, there are usually multiple
instances of the same building. In such cases, the structure number gives AI the option to select the nearest
or farthest or with least or highest threat building out of the many instances of the same building.
Attaching the RA2 vanilla ini files modified to test these. Select America for both yourself and AI. There
are teams of 2 GIs and 3 GIs which are programmed to attack GAPILE based on the structure number option.
Have given large Adjacent value for GAPILE. Now build 2 barracks and place one nearer and farther from
the AI base and watch which barracks is selected for attack by the 2 GI team and the 3 GI team. I have put
the other options in comment in the AI ini file. You can edit them for the low/high threat case. Just
produce some infantry from one of the 2 barracks to make its threat higher and watch which team goes
where.
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Well this will be an interesting read... I will have to read all that tomorrow... I am little tied and frustrated... Damn binary vxl files... 
