I haven't seen it yet, but i just hope that mister J.J. "alternate universe" Abrams hasn't completely ignored canon facts and put sewage plant waste tubes in the falcon engine room. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Honestly, not what I expected. Somewhat disappointing. The 'Star Wars-feel' was kinda not there for me. I felt bored for the whole 2-hours. _________________
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I don't think it ruined Star Wars - especially with movies like The Hobbit or Jurrassic World, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, or the new Terminator which pretty much raped their original source material.
It definitely felt like Star Wars. However, the inner nerd in me holds it to much higher standards, which I don't believe the movie successfully met.
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YOU CAN'T JUST FREAKING DESTROY CORUSCANT. You can't just pull a death star thing out of your butt and change a serious staple in Star Wars. They could have feasibly made the entire movie build up to that. Coruscant should have been the planet they're trying to save, instead of the Yavin 4 wannabe planet. For example, they could have still destroyed couscant, would would have been an awesome lead-up to the sequel, where the audience asks "What will the republic do now without Coruscant?"
They didn't even have a morsel of the New Republic and how it functioned, or what kind of difficulties it faced. That was a gem they totally missed.
OK the New Republic, after thirty years, has only twenty X-wings to accomplish this mission? WTF? The rebel alliance had more firepower as a starfleet on the run, than the entire New Rebublic of this movie.
Why are they called the Resistance? why are they operating underground and hidden? shouldn't the New Republic already have an army? It's not just a country - or continent - or plant - or even solar system. The New Republic is a whole freaking galaxy worth of crap, are they all just sitting doing nothing?
The whole movie was pretty much all action - which the action definitely kicked butt - however there was hardy any actual story development. Major plot devices it seemed were explained away in a single conversation, or off-the-cuff statement.
Many things that happened, had little actual reason for doing so, but were forced to accept because "The plot must move forward".
There were a lot of old Star Wars references that were good, but a lot were just blatantly obvious. It was as if every reference to the old Star Wars demanded specific attention and build up. "Oh look, Han" "Oh look, C-3P0. and he has a red arm." "Oh look, artoo, and he's depressed". If they just let the references seem natural, it would have made it exciting. At least it wasn't like Jurassic World where it practically beat you over the head every time there was a reference.
Han's death sucked. It was extremely try-hard. I get the idea behind it, but he didn't even act like it was a hard decision to walk out and confront Bad Guy.
Side-note, since his body fell they still have the option of doing a Darth Maul, and bringing him back in the future. Which would blow even more chunks.
Also I really hate the Han-Leia divorce cliche. I get it. their son turned to the Dark Side, and that sucked. But seriously, divorce between main characters is an overused plot device that just freaking sucks. It's not poetic, or tragic, it's just uncreative and cliche. They could have totally rocked Han and Leia being a happy old couple living out and about somewhere, being wise like old people do.
Even with "the best pilot in the galaxy" a TIE fighter is a TIE fighter. Star Destroyers should be brimming with canons all over the freaking place. And they didn't deploy ANY fighters to pursue. In old Star Wars, an average Star Destroyer had a wing of 72 fighters across several bays. I was just waiting for a crap ton of them to just take off and pursue.
If BB is an Astromech droid, Why didn't it help fix the milennium falcon?? In ANY capacity whatsoever. Heck, sixty years earlier, R2-D2 fixed a hyperdrive from the outside a ship, while under fire. BB is freaking useless.
Fin was stupid. The reason he turned on the Order was very stinkily developed. It's like oh no, he sees blood, now he has a conscience. I would imagine whatever Stormtrooper training is out there that none of it would come as a surprised. If they made him appear more confident in the decision, like, acting out of a buildup of disgust instead of some short-lived PTSD thingamajic. BUT THE PLOT MUST MOVE FORWARD.
How did it take a whole lifetime for Han to finally use Chewie's bow? and why is he so surprised with its effect?
Chewie gets shot, but is okay almost right afterwards.
There were a couple of "Freeze Don't Move's" and I HATE HATE HATE THEM. Stormtroopers are brutal killing machines that shouldn't give no craps who they kill. But around main characters they always do the "FREEZE DONT MOVE"
Luke should have done something more than just stand there awkwardly. but hey they needed him in the credits so whatever.
What I liked:
The movie was good. I'm happy to say Star Wars is alive.
The Bad Guy was NOT a cliche super powerful, invincible dude that just goes around killing everything (aka he's not just another Vader copy-pasted). It was clear he had power, but not maturity or confidence - which is probably the reason he wears the mask. I also liked how they used a very unpolished form of lightsaber fighting, like in 4-6. After all, Lightsaber fighting is like a dead art, so it should definitely not be as refined as the fights in the prequels
Action scenes kicked butt.
The cross-guard, was used once. And the way it was used it could have totally killed that guy if the plot allowed it. For all the debate over is the cross-guard a practical device or not, they could have exploited it just a little bit more.
Naturally, I hold Star Wars to a much different standard than the average movie. I'm happy to see it wasn't another let-down Hobbit or Jurassic World, in which both movies, pardon me, raped the original goodness and filled the empty nostalgia shell with shiny graphics, minimal character development, irrational character decisions, and cliche plot.
Even so, Star Wars was not all it could have been, and I likely won't go out of my way to see it again. end rant. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
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The final scene should have been Rey meeting Jar Jar and NOT Luke
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Also kinda dislike how they sucked a sun into that planet thing (which name is ridiculous imo) without any consequence to the universe at all.
Star Killer Base or something? Like a COD player called xXxKillerxXx?
Shit tier name.
And what amazed me the most was that when that planet gun thing got destroyed, the sun re-appeared.
That moment was a solid 5/7.
I now see why my Star Trek fans friends call Star Wars a "fantasy" movie and don't even remotely consider it a tiny bit science fiction. _________________
BTW, has anyone if you noticed how the Force was different?
Now enables to read minds (previously only emotions), feel the presence of any specific person (before only Jedi and Sith) AND IS ABLE TO STOP TIME.
Or what the hell was that at the beginning?
I mean, stopping that plasma (can't be laser after all) shot in the air, without it moving, and then unleashing it after a specific time (so, it is not as the kinetic force was neutralized, but supsended!).
(Though when stopping time, it should also stop any reflective light from that spot, turning it into a black void - and when the time resumes, all the absorbed light would be released at once ... But well, Fantasy...)
At the same time, that guy had problems moving the lightsabre. Seriously? In the movies before, they were throwing around tons of things, and now he was unable to move a light-weight Lasersword...? And Rei, who isn't proficient to use her force (even if she is much stronger in general), had no problems at all.
Yeah .... 'Cause no one needs training to control the force and stuff. All happens automatically, the training we saw in the last titles was just for show.
And don't get me started with that huge Star Killer Base. But still, I want to get some things straight:
Where did they land? Wasn't it the hollowed out area where the cannon itself was placed? So, why the hell are there trees and stuff?
Why was it a snow desert? You would expect, that you would use a planet in close proximity as a base.
How does that planet even resume its normal orbit? It's shape was extremly altered, it should have changed its course as well.
How much man-power would even be needed to remove such a big chunk from a planet? I doubt that it could be accomplished in 30 years, even with their technology. Especially the terraforming, all round it was supposeldy metal and constructions.
And what about the planet-core? It should have caused some geological activities.
And when they landed, it was just a small valley. Thats in no way in relation to what was shown in space. That thing should have walls that strechtes hundreds of kilometres. Oh well...
Sucking the Sun into the planet - how was that done? Absorbing the plasma itself? ... Well. I have no idea how they were able to absorb it and store it. I mean, come on, you can't store power great enough to obliterate several planets in a relatively small device (seen from the planet itself) with a small cooling facility (lol. What the hell was up with that cooling device and for what reason was it there? Shouldn't it have been a magnetfield generator to kepp that plasma from touching anything?)
Enough of that Star-Killer-Something. It was a strange plot device to get something of an Ultimate to make everything more ... suspending. Not that it worked for me, I was internally dissing that thing since the first time I saw it.
I as well disliked the lack of any explanation whatsoever. Yeah, what the hell happened with the Imperium? Why has it rebounded to become such a huge threat? Why has the Republic, after being restored, disappeared without a bigger trace (it was sometimes spoken about, but not once did you really see any of its infrastructure). Who is that leader of the first order? Weren't the Sith all annihilated? And I doubt that its the disciple of Luke, I mean, look at how old that guy is.
Fin was also done pretty halfassed. His primary motivation was to escape from the First Order (which could have been staged better), but then he would actually jump on getting back to rescue someone he didn't know for that a long time. I liked his character in itself, but it lacked consistency.
I doubt that Han Solo was really offed. It smells like he will return through a Deus Ex Machina (for example, when he fell, he was somehow able to stop is fall, crawl to a ship and hide him there. He then got transported out because of the orders from that leader guy, who told them all to retreat).
Also, did you ever doubt what the hell was up with Kylo Ren (the son of Han Solo, dunno if I got the correct name).
Lets just take a look:
- Chuby's Crossbow blasted more than 2 Stormtroopers with a single shot. Then he shots Kylo - and he has a light injury with which he could even fight?!
- That guy got hit several times with the lasersword, but he himself didn't sustain any injury. Nope, Laserswords are nooooot hot at aaaaaaaall.
That list of injuries would probably even end Darth Vader. But since he needs to turn good in the sequels (I guarantee it), he needed to survive it all. That guy could probably walk through a group of rebels, and wouldn't care. Heck, he may get hit by a spaceship-weapon and wouldn't die.
... Well, just some things which I had to write down _________________
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At lest I am not the only one who has mixed feelings about this movie... It was Okay... Not as great as I keep hearing people say... Just seemed way to much like a New Hope for me.
I will say I did like Rey... Should be interesting to see who she really is...
But the comments about Solo coming back... No, I do not think that will happen... I was shocked Harrison Ford came back for this one... I remember seeing interviews saying he wanted his character to end in Return Of The Jedi. I can only assume he came back only because Solo died, and he got paid... _________________ MadHQ's Graveyard - Click here!
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@Nordos, the star killer base was a snow planet, I guess they ended up at some edge of the 'base' part.
But you should all know that it's Disney's property.
George Lucas sold the rights, and is now only allowed some suggestions / minor input about the plot.
If Disney wants to turn left, Lucas wants to turn right, it'll go left.
I guess this is just the result of Disney's take on the Star Wars universe.
There's a reason they ditched all the non-movie storyline and canon.
IIRC they also plan to release movies about specific scenarios/characters to fill the waiting gaps of the big Star Wars movies.
Not storyline gaps, but waiting gaps. The time, we as a people, have to wait for Episode 8. _________________
felt like a boring version of a new hope with a really really whiny horsefaced villain......best movie of the year is still mad max for me. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
Solo's death was far too predictable and too unceremonious, the whole scene was stupid even being the father... it was out of character for a guy who would run away from family, and not very shrewd for a lifelong freelancer living by his wits.
The two main kids were alright, but that premonition scene in the basement was weaksauce, are we supposed to believe a lightsaber can somehow store force memories? meh.
I enjoyed the raging monsters on Solo's new ship, that whole part reminded me of Alien 4. Although I don't really understand how he amassed enough wealth to get a large scavenger ship, then happily zips away in the 'falcon just because people are shooting at him... you'd think he'd at least feel torn about it, or Chewy would have baulked.
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