Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:00 am Post subject:
A Jumpjet Miner, one that-won't land
So, I was trying to set up a new type of miner - basically it's a helicopter that mines ore, but it functions like a jumpjet (ie: it doesn't land). What I have so far shows the targeting reticle over the Ore, but when it reaches it it doesn't mine it, and it doesn't show the docking icon when I hover over a refinery. Here's my code.
Code:
; Heli-Miner 2.0
[JHARV]
UIName=NOSTR:Anti-Grav Miner
Name=Anti-Grav Miner
Image=SCHP
Prerequisite=PROC,TECH
Primary=BlackHawkCannon
Secondary=160mm
Category=Support
JumpJet=yes
Strength=700
Armor=medium
TechLevel=7
Sight=7
Speed=12
PitchSpeed=1.1
JumpjetSpeed=30 ;params not defined use defaults (old globals way up top)
JumpjetClimb=10
JumpjetCrash=40 ; Climb, but down
JumpJetAccel=12
JumpJetTurnRate=6
JumpjetHeight=500
JumpjetWobbles=.01
JumpjetDeviation=1
Owner=Russians,Confederation,Africans,Arabs
Cost=1400
Soylent=1400
Points=15
ROT=5
Crewed=no
ConsideredAircraft=yes
Explosion=TWLT070,S_BANG48,S_BRNL58,S_CLSN58,S_TUMU60
MaxDebris=3
VoiceSelect=SeigeChopperSelect
VoiceMove=SeigeChopperMove
VoiceAttack=SeigeChopperAttackAir
VoiceCrashing=SeigeChopperVoiceDie
CrashingSound=SeigeChopperDie
DieSound=
ImpactLandSound=GenAircraftCrash
;Locomotor={4A582746-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1} ;flying
Locomotor={92612C46-F71F-11d1-AC9F-006008055BB5} ;jumpjet
MovementZone=Fly
DamageParticleSystems=SparkSys,SmallGreySSys
;AuxSound1=BlackOpsTakeOff ;Taking off
;AuxSound2=BlackOpsLanding ;Landing
ThreatPosed=0
SpecialThreatValue=1
VeteranAbilities=STRONGER,FIREPOWER,SIGHT,FASTER
EliteAbilities=SELF_HEAL,STRONGER,FIREPOWER,ROF
Size=15
SizeLimit=2
HoverAttack=yes
AllowedToStartInMultiplayer=no
Crashable=yes
;CanPassiveAquire=no ; Won't try to pick up own targets
SpeedType=Hover
MoveSound=SeigeChopperMoveLoop
EnterTransportSound=EnterTransport
LeaveTransportSound=ExitTransport
ElitePrimary=BlackHawkCannonE
EliteSecondary=160mmE
PreventAttackMove=yes
TooBigToFitUnderBridge=true
Trainable=yes
Bunkerable=no; Units default to yes, others default to no
Turret=yes
IsSelectableCombatant=yes ; TR
BalloonHover=yes
Dock=NAREFN,GAREFN
ToProtect=yes
Harvester=yes
PipScale=Tiberium
Cost=1400
Soylent=1400
SelfHealing=yes
ResourceGatherer=yes;gs for the AI to handle the slave miner, it has to understand what makes money
Right now it's mostly just cut and paste stuff to test it out, but I suppose I should ask - is something like this actually feasible within the engine? By that I mean, can I actually create it, either with or without Ares? _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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Yeah, I shoulda figured. I was trying to make a miner that would work without landing and would instead just like "absorb" the ore and deposit it. It was to be for a map being made with OmegaBolt's LTX as a way to have a miner cross space, but I didn't like the idea of it landing, taking off, moving 1 tile and landing again just to mine ore. If it's impossible then it's impossible I guess! _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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When original game developers never needed such (nor coded such), it's quite likely it won't just magically 'absorb' the ore from long distance (height is long distance even if directly above!) like magnetron despite how you code it.
You'd be better off with a hover miner (amphibious zone, not true hover)
if you want it to cross to islands. QUICK_EDIT
The problem with it being Amphibious was how I planned to use it. OmegaBolt's Lunar Terrain Expansion makes it kinda impossible for hover units to just cross space, it would need to be a flying unit.
Ultimately I've resigned to just use regular Helicopter logic, since there is no workaround, but I figured I'd ask to see if I was wrong and that maybe it was possible. _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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water in the lunar theater could just be low flying units.
add in a dummy override for the water animations like ripple to empty frames.
jumpjet or flying units are high orbital units or whatevers...
The problem still arises that there's no way to actually cross onto the space/water surface with the pack, not from what I've seen within the tilesets. If there was a way, I could just do a hover unit and be done with it (Though I would also need to figure out how to remove ripple animations, but since I can't do the first part, worrying about this is moot).
Mig Eater wrote:
Random thought; what about a flying slave miner with jumpjet infantry?
That's actually something I was debating trying next, it would probably work feasibly enough too - though it would mean the miner becomes its own ore processing station, which in the long run isn't too bad I guess.
Atomic_Noodles wrote:
hmmm could try that out. if the new ares trick of making flying carriers work for this one as well.
I'm not quite getting how flying carrier logic would relate to this. Could you explain? _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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A crazy idea:
How about using the Yuri-disc drain-weapon? Ares surely offers a way to steal money with the drain-beam from refineries (and disable the power-drain functionality, so money-steal is the only functionality).
So all you have to do is placing immune Neutral house refineries which look like a field of resources.
Then your ships can "collect" the resources while mid-air and even use a cool animation when harvesting. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
ah, just noticed it doesn't work anyway. At least in TS is Neutral house completely unable to store any resources. If it's the same in RA2, the Neutral refinery would be unable to store anything. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
So, I tried to do the Slave Miner method, and it kind of works. But there's some complications. The biggest complication is, it doesn't do anything automatically. It'll fly to the ore, but it won't deploy. I should probably record a video to show it in action. It also does the same thing for the AI, preventing them from mining ore. I tested this by modifying the actual Slave Miner entry, as evidenced here.
Code:
; harvester
[SMIN]
UIName=Name:SMIN
Name=Slave Miner
Prerequisite=YAWEAP
Nominal=yes
ToProtect=yes
Category=Support
Strength=2000
Armor=medium
Primary=20mmRapid
ElitePrimary=20mmRapidE
Turret=yes
OpportunityFire=yes
TechLevel=1
Sight=4
Speed=3
Owner=YuriCountry
AllowedToStartInMultiplayer=no
CrateGoodie=yes
Storage=20
Cost=1500
Soylent=1500
Points=55
ROT=5
Crusher=yes
Crewed=no
SelfHealing=yes
Explosion=TWLT070,S_BANG48,S_BRNL58,S_CLSN58,S_TUMU60
VoiceSelect=SlaveMinerSelect
VoiceMove=SlaveMinerMove
VoiceAttack=SlaveMinerAttackCommand
VoiceHarvest=SlaveMinerHarvest
DieSound=GenVehicleDie
MoveSound=SlaveMinerMoveStart
CrushSound=TankCrush
DeploySound=SlaveMinerDeploy
VoiceDeploy=SlaveMinerDeployVoice
MaxDebris=6
DebrisTypes=TIRE
DebrisMaximums=4
;Locomotor={4A582741-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1} ;drive locomotor
Weight=3.5
;MovementZone=Crusher
ThreatPosed=0 ; This value MUST be 0 for all building addons
ThreatAvoidanceCoefficient=.65
DamageParticleSystems=SparkSys,SmallGreySSys
ImmuneToVeins=yes
ImmuneToPsionics=yes
ImmuneToRadiation=yes
ZFudgeColumn=9
ZFudgeTunnel=14
ZFudgeBridge=7
Size=3
StupidHunt=yes ;this guy can't handle a hunt command, so he should just run towards the player
Trainable=yes
DeploysInto=YAREFN
DeployFacing=0;0 = N, 7 = NW
Enslaves=SLAV;gs The Refinery does not get an Enslaves listing because the Slave object will get passed from unit to building upon deploy
SlavesNumber=5
SlaveRegenRate=500 ;225
SlaveReloadRate=25
;moving brain to refinery to start
;Ugh. Now that placed as building, problem arises from managing to get a SMIN as vehicle (Campaign map, crate). Both get this listing now, and Brain transplant will check to make sure extra one is not created
ResourceGatherer=yes;gs for the AI to handle the slave miner, it has to understand what makes money
ResourceDestination=yes
DeaccelerationFactor=.2 ; This is TS's mizspelingg knot min
Accelerates=false
Bunkerable=no; Units default to yes, others default to no
OmniCrushResistant=yes; so Crusher can crush Crushable, OmniCrusher trumps Crushable=no, and then OmniCrushResistant trumps OmniCrusher
Parasiteable=no
Unsellable=yes
;-----
JumpJet=yes
PitchSpeed=1.1
JumpjetSpeed=30 ;params not defined use defaults (old globals way up top)
JumpjetClimb=10
JumpjetCrash=40 ; Climb, but down
JumpJetAccel=12
JumpJetTurnRate=6
JumpjetHeight=500
JumpjetWobbles=.01
JumpjetDeviation=1
ConsideredAircraft=yes
MovementZone=Fly
SpeedType=Hover
Locomotor={92612C46-F71F-11d1-AC9F-006008055BB5} ;jumpjet
Perhaps I need to do something else to make it work? I'm not sure. _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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It could be the JumpJet logic, which itself has several special logics applied.
Try an aircraft locomotor and remove all the Jumpjet stuff. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Removing the jumpjet tags (I think I got all of them) and keeping the following tags, while adding the aircraft locomotor works worse - to the point where it doesn't work period. Here's what that bottom section looks like now.
The Slave Miner, when built from the structures tabs, takes to the skies... and it never lands again. It also spazzes out when you try to get it to deploy. When you try to build it from the War Factory it does some interesting things - it builds it from the main gates, not the aerial ones, and never closes, and the Slave Miner itself just kinda gets stuck at the war factory. _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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The neutral refineries would need to collect resources in order for you to steal it from them tho.
ProduceCashAmount=15000
ProduceCashDelay=65535
Effectively starting with 15000 and generating 15000 every 38 mins wouldn't correct it?
DerxwnaKapsyla wrote:
Removing the jumpjet tags (I think I got all of them) and keeping the following tags, while adding the aircraft locomotor works worse - to the point where it doesn't work period. Here's what that bottom section looks like now.
Code:
ConsideredAircraft=yes
MovementZone=Fly
SpeedType=Hover
Locomotor={4A582746-9839-11d1-B709-00A024DDAFD1}
The Slave Miner, when built from the structures tabs, takes to the skies... and it never lands again. It also spazzes out when you try to get it to deploy. When you try to build it from the War Factory it does some interesting things - it builds it from the main gates, not the aerial ones, and never closes, and the Slave Miner itself just kinda gets stuck at the war factory.
Flying units can't spawn units at all so it'll get stuck in an infinite loop when created and grounded. I'm assuming a Slave Miner has slaves here. _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
@DK: Sounds like the flying vehicletypes bug in tiberian sun.
Well, i guess then it's not possible to have a flying/jumpjetting miner. At least not one which the AI can use automatically as well.
btw, do you tried a subterranean miner? You could call it an "alternate dimension" traveling miner.
Effectively starting with 15000 and generating 15000 every 38 mins wouldn't correct it?
Would it even be possible to make a Neutral refinery that a Disc could absorb from without destroying it, let alone actually make it generate funds? I suppose it's worth trying.
Edit: So I actually tried to do it on an oil derrick, which shoudln't make a difference? I made it drainable and removed the Disc's primary weapon (and replaced the primary with the drain weapon), but when it drained over it, it didn't absorb any cash. I can't really imagine it being possible unless there's a way to give the neutral house a large sum of cash to start with. _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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It would have to be on a refinery to drain money, it only drains power from everything else. _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
So I put the tags on a refinery, made the refinery be part of the neutral house, and tried to suck cash from it, but it still didn't do anything. I'm just guessing at this point that it's kinda not gonna work. _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:35 pm Post subject:
Slave Miners need to deploy to spawn Slaves. This is not a SimpleDeploy, it's an actual unit-to-building transition. You cannot do that while in the air, so your aircraft would have to land to be used that way. At that point, you may as well just use a miner that flies, but lands to harvest (which is perfectly possible).
The "flying vehicle" idea is most promising I think - I cannot tell you what will actually happen when a vehicle with that locomotor attempts to harvest ore, and whether the result will be to your liking.
But the general issues about flying vehicles are relatively easy to overcome if you are willing to make your factories look a little different from how they usually look in C&C (or if you are using Ares). _________________
Mao Zedong wrote:
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I am curious what you mean by that, making the factories look different from how they usually do. Can you elaborate on it? _________________ STAY-AT-HOME BATTLE-ROOM UNCLE
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Make the Factory Building a "fake" Air Unit where its spawn point for unit production is the center. Add the tag that makes structures passable to make it more believable that its flying.
The only bug I can see happening is weapons will still target the ground area of the cells. _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:36 pm Post subject:
DerxwnaKapsyla wrote:
I am curious what you mean by that, making the factories look different from how they usually do. Can you elaborate on it?
Try using a simple 1x1, 2x2 or similar structure that has NO Factory-relevant tags set except Factory=UnitType. I'm not sure what causes flying vehicles to get stuck inside "conventional" factories, but I know that omitting the usual factory features (ExitCoord, a gate anim, a roof anim, ImpassableRows, etc) prevents it. Maybe I will bother to find out what tag makes the difference.
There are a few other issues that affect flying vehicle types - attack ranges don't work properly for them (not an issue if they are unarmed), damage done on the ground affects them even if they are in the air, and their shadows are not drawn properly, although I can think of a few workarounds for this last issue.
Some, not all, of these are also true in Tiberian Sun. _________________
Mao Zedong wrote:
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WeaponsFactory=no makes units spawn next to the factory
WeaponsFactory=yes gives the usual opening door, spawn inside factory logic. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:01 am Post subject:
Helicopters in RA2 are usually jj vehicles, I got on a tangent here and started investigating vehicles with flying locomotor (which actually have a few interesting features that jj vehicles don't have - they just also have a lot of drawbacks). _________________
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A Jumpjet Miner, one that-won't land
