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MustaphaTR
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 3:22 pm    Post subject:  [India] Tiger Tank Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

India uses a different tank as their MBT. Tiger Tanks are only have a bit more armor but has too much more firepower when compared to Scorpion Tanks.

Role: MBT
Weapon: 135mm Cannons
Cost: 600
Armor: Heavy
Speed: 8
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Isaac_The_Madd
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not to offend you over your work, but it looks like an M1 Abrams to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

M1 or not, it looks quite nice, good job,

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Mig Eater
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

India & South Africa as GLA factions, that seams rather implausible considering their demography & alliances. What happened to cause such a political shift?

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MustaphaTR
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't know much about the Tanks, i just grabed a tank from a pack and recolored it. It was a Soviet tank so i don't think it is M1.

I don't know much about politics too tho. But questioning India and S. Africa is a bit odd when there is Ukraine in GLA too. I have a story behind it tho. Other 2 GLA factions are Morocco and Palestine. Also RA2 universe is a bit different, not sure if you ever noticed China is mostly Blue in RA2 loadscreens. Back to these two, a big WW and Yuri problem happened. Changes are to be expected.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes Ukraine as a GLA faction makes even less sense, but the fact that you think it's odd too is even worse :/

If you dont have a good story with plausible reasons why a random bunch of countries are joining together when they have no real military allegiances, geographical links or shared religion/philosophy, it's just going to confuse & alienate people.  

In the RA1 timeline the Chinese civil war never happened, thus China is still a democratic allied country in RA2.

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Millennium
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

On the unit:
It's true that, in these days, where we know the Abrams mostly in its desert camouflage scheme, your voxel will evoke association with it. The turret does also look deceptively angular from some angles, which is a feature commonly associated with the Abrams. The color scheme is certainly fitting, I do see some tiger stripes on the sides. Maybe you could make those more prominent?
I can also not make out any remaps on the voxel, unless they are what I think to be the orange parts of the tiger stripes.

Generally, I like the idea of a "Tiger" tank associated with India. If it were not for the name's previous association with Germany, I would likely use the name for an Indian vehicle in my own mod. While I cannot overcome that aversion in my own work, I find your use of the name entirely acceptable and a better choice than most.

On the GLA:
I don't know what portfolio and story you have in mind for the GLA in your mod.
I think there are spins that can be put onto the GLA that puts the idea of a GLA India within reasonable stretch of imagination.

The appearance of Ukraine as part of the GLA faction is somewhat similar to Nod's expanse from the Maghreb into the Balkans in the Tiberian series - I've always been abit irked by what I perceived to be the implausibility of Nod's geographical extension, but it is somewhat congruent to Islamist movements and sets a precedent that such uncommon territorial expansions can appear in games and mods without being too much of a stumbling stone in the plot and lore.

Although not stated in Generals, it is a plausible assumption that the GLA is intended to represent Islamist groups. If you do not explicate the GLA to be an Islamist faction in your mod, you avoid implausibility when composing it (partially or in whole) of countries that would be implausible to have significant association with Islamist movements - such as South Africa. The GLA could be a more generalist - and true-to-name - "Third World" faction motivated by anti-colonialism and (perhaps) achieving greater economic participation.

Of course, the historical divergences in RA, RA2 and YR can explain global political/military scenarios that are not possible in our timeline. Some constellations, such as an Islamist alliance of South Africa, India and Ukraine, would still be... highly implausible.

A larger problem may arise from the question of whether you want to keep the GLA as a principally non-state actor (as it was in Generals), or if you want to make it a true state, or alliance of states. Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword had http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Next_War - The Great Southern Empire is such a near-future superstate based on the "global south". If your GLA is supposed to be a non-state actor, the entire concept of composing it of country sub-factions is inconsistent. Of course, I don't know what concept you have decided upon for the GLA, but perhaps this gives some food for thought.

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In the RA1 timeline the Chinese civil war never happened, thus China is still a democratic allied country in RA2.

Is this true? I've been trying to compile a comprehensive account of the RA timeline for awhile, I never found any indication that this historical event did not occur. Can you walk me through the reasoning through which you got to that conclusion?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MustaphaTR wrote:
I have a stroy behind it tho.

Ukraine is just a step to move GLA forces through europe. GLA forces came to here and secretly built bases here before doing a big approach. There was a big WW3 behind so noone really found time to check them. After 3 years in 1975 (as opposed to Generals story acts in todays) they gets really powerful and War Agaist GLA on my mod starts. With making India/S.Africa GLA subfaction this doesn't really mean goverment is under GLA control, just there is a big majority that makes them powerful at this places.

Also why not Turkic Soviet states as in Generals, because they are still Soviet States. Generals has no USSR, my mod has. GLA indeed has bases in these places in my mod too, but not much.

Edit: Also Ukraine is not just Ukraine, they are fully called as Ukrainian Rebels, real state in Ukraine is still Ukrainian SSR.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

But the GLA are an Islamist movement in your mod?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Millennium wrote:
But the GLA are an Islamist movement in your mod?

imo GLA are terroists not muslims.

Since, i am a muslim, i already know that but i can't translate it in english, so here is a site that shows the islam forbids terrorism:

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

In islam Terrorists or people who suicide go to hell.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Millennium wrote:
But the GLA are an Islamist movement in your mod?


That was what i was thinking. I mean like ISIS, they calls them as Muslims but mist people including Other muslims are aginst them. Not in game or briefing but in my literature project to write story and i wrote abouf GC Soviet Mission One, Yakubov says that "Let's learn what that stupid guys who thinks they are Muslim." So like that.

I'm a muslim too and i know that islam forbids killing, himself or anyone else. But Sucidie Bombing≠Terrorism, you can be terrorist without bombing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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That was what i was thinking. I mean like ISIS, they calls them as Muslims but mist people including Other muslims are aginst them.

Okay, so your GLA are deluding themselves into thinking that they are muslims.
While I can somewhat understand India as a GLA subfaction, I would suggest exchanging the Ukraine subfaction with the Balkans, if you are determined to keep an European subfaction in your mod. I also estimate that South Africa would be the principal Allied state in Africa, while all the other states on the continent would be far more likely to affiliate with the GLA. Perhaps a more generic non-state "African Warlords" faction would be more fitting than South Africa as a subfaction?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Why i chosse Ukraine is making the GLA bother Soviets, if a Balkan state would be a base, Soviets could even go to alliance with GLA until they do something wrong same as irl WW2 Germany. I want Allied-Soviet alliance formed because of Yuri hold a bit more.

I may really go with a unstate-faction as i did for Ukrainian Rebels to others too. I never thought well about the story so we need to fix it before it starts to form in campaign.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Central Asia or the Caucasus (Chechnya) would be a more plausible location than Ukraine for a hostile Soviet-GLA encounter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The GLA aren't Muslims, but apparently Sikhs...the faction's logo is that of the Sikh religion. At least this is what CNC Generals implies.

Considering Sikhism was born in India during the 15th century, it would be a very plausible country for them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's an interesting thought.
MustaphaTR has already stated that the GLA is supposed to be pseudo-Islamic (if I'm allowed this vaguety of expression), but yours is certainly a suggestion to consider.

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