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What's wrong with these buildings in Fa2?
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MadHQ
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:51 pm    Post subject:  What's wrong with these buildings in Fa2? Reply with quote

Looking into single player maps is opening my eye to all kinds of things I know nothing about when it comes to Ra2...  Laughing

Anyways,

Why are there transparent buildings? And why can't I do anything with them? And how do I do something with them? I do not see them listed in the [structure] list...

Also,

Why do some of the buildings have a dotted base around the buildings.

What is is this crazy shenanigans...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are base nodes, which control what and where the AI will build as long as it's not using the Skirmish base building mode, which it doesn't by default.

You place a building normally and then you use one of the 'Base nodes' options: by clicking on the building you can leave it there and create a node for it (which means AI will keep rebuilding that building if it has a ConYard), delete the building and create a node for it (which means it'll build it as soon as its order in the queue comes) or just delete the node you created previously.

Those dots on the building outline just show that there is both a building and a base node present at that location.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is faster to add all the buildings and then manually add the nodes editing the map, copying and editing the appropriate lines, once you understand how it works. It is also something that will let you proof the map before commiting them, since you have to rejig the nodes if you ever move the buildings on the map.

Also remember you can add nodes that don't line up with the original buildings, or tell the AI player to add more buildings to what's on the map once production starts.

In lieu of nodes, you can flip the AI to build normally like a skirmish game via trigger too, handy if you have a half constructed base to speed them up.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-E wrote:
In lieu of nodes, you can flip the AI to build normally like a skirmish game via trigger too, handy if you have a half constructed base to speed them up.

You mean completly like skirmish / multiplayer games? If so does it work for Tiberian Sun too? If it does this thread needs help with it: https://ppmforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=47086

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean you've been modding RA2 for 16 years and never knew about base nodes? Smile

Also nodes are listed under the house/country section they belong to.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah I meant skirmish/MP like building of bases (randomness)(without nodes)

EDIT: Ohh wait was a that a reply to MadHQ

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimsonum wrote:
You mean you've been modding RA2 for 16 years and never knew about base nodes? Smile

Also nodes are listed under the house/country section they belong to.


Mission maps are some thing I have never gotten around to figuring out... Truthful, there is probably quite a bit that I do not know about modding Ra2/YR Embarassed

And I have not been modding this game for 16 years. I didn't really start tell maybe 2005, and there was a quite a few years gap were I didn't touch this game. Plus I am not really sure I consider what I do these days as "modding" this game...

I just fake it till I make it.  Razz

It was GE that re-ignited my interest in playing with mission maps. Blame him if people are getting annoyed with n00b questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was curious just like MadHQ, and finally we know how these transparent and semi-outlined buildings work, sure this will help me more on making custom missions :p
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadHQ wrote:
Blame him if people are getting annoyed with n00b questions.


Nah, I just found it funny that's all Razz There's quite a lot of stuff that FinalSun/Alert doesn't tell you about, like the D key...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crimsonum wrote:
MadHQ wrote:
Blame him if people are getting annoyed with n00b questions.


Nah, I just found it funny that's all Razz There's quite a lot of stuff that FinalSun/Alert doesn't tell you about, like the D key...


What is the D key?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MadHQ wrote:
Crimsonum wrote:
MadHQ wrote:
Blame him if people are getting annoyed with n00b questions.

Nah, I just found it funny that's all Razz There's quite a lot of stuff that FinalSun/Alert doesn't tell you about, like the D key...

What is the D key?

It takes all tiles and forces them to height 0.
I believe the shortcut may have actually been ctrl+D, but I'm not sure.

Any ways, D is good to see behind cliff-backs easily without having to resort to the "hide tile(sets)" functions. Saves quite some time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAK02 wrote:
MadHQ wrote:
Crimsonum wrote:
MadHQ wrote:
Blame him if people are getting annoyed with n00b questions.

Nah, I just found it funny that's all Razz There's quite a lot of stuff that FinalSun/Alert doesn't tell you about, like the D key...

What is the D key?

It takes all tiles and forces them to height 0.
I believe the shortcut may have actually been ctrl+D, but I'm not sure.

Any ways, D is good to see behind cliff-backs easily without having to resort to the "hide tile(sets)" functions. Saves quite some time.


Can make stuff hard to click still. just my experience.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MRMIdAS wrote:
TAK02 wrote:
MadHQ wrote:
Crimsonum wrote:
MadHQ wrote:
Blame him if people are getting annoyed with n00b questions.

Nah, I just found it funny that's all Razz There's quite a lot of stuff that FinalSun/Alert doesn't tell you about, like the D key...

What is the D key?

It takes all tiles and forces them to height 0.
I believe the shortcut may have actually been ctrl+D, but I'm not sure.

Any ways, D is good to see behind cliff-backs easily without having to resort to the "hide tile(sets)" functions. Saves quite some time.


Can make stuff hard to click still. just my experience.

Personally, I find it's the other way around.

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