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Suggestions for making infantry units more potent
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Otuken
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Joined: 14 May 2020

PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 2:55 pm    Post subject:  Suggestions for making infantry units more potent Reply with quote

Not sure if this section is suitable to discuss for it. I don't want vehicle spam to be meta in my personal mod. Also I don't want huge game changes like limited ammo for vehicles or something.

Currently I just made all infantries uncrushable and decreased t1 tank speed's slighly. It helped but the meta is still the same. Statistically boosting infantres or nerfing vehicles is obvious answer but the question is what thing should be buffed/nerfed in which ways for balance?

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Lin Kuei Ominae
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank spam started with RA1, when vehicles got very fast and shot always accurate versus infantry.

The later games didn't change that back much, so the same problem remains.

If you reduce vehicle speeds so infantry can actually keep up with them, so vehicles have a harder time to crush them, you fix a big part of it.
The second issue is the very high firepower vehicles have against infantry. Changing the warhead Verses helps here

If a unit only has 1 weapon, you could also make this completely unable to attack infantry and give the unit a 2nd weapon against infantry which has an Inaccurate projectile or some other change


I wouldn't like uncrushable infantry in general. only a very few should have this specialty.
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Otuken
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any known good mods that addressed the same issue and solve brillantly?

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E1 Elite
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Few ideas
- Increase health, decrease versus damages, reduce prone damage, give veteran health etc.
- Increase their firepower, speed
- AI, send APC filled with C4 infs or capture capable infs to the enemy base
- AI, send infs combined with EMP units
- Use more AvoidThreats in AI infantry teams
- Make AI teams with larger number of infs
- Use offensive droppod SW with elite infs for continuous harassment.
- Make occasional hero type infs or fearless explosive infs.

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EVA-251
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The simplest, most realistic approach would be to block vehicle crushing.

Unless your game is simulating a tech period similar to WW2, the idea of "crushing" infantry under the treads or tires of vehicles is nonsensical- almost entirely a game creation/cool factor type thing.

Post 1945 (IRL), the last thing you want to do with an armored vehicle is take it and mix it up with infantry in close quarters. Even poorly equipped militia-type infantry have the means to kill the most powerful tanks in close-quarters.
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Otuken
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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also is it just to me that advanced defensive structures and statc AA are too expensive I barely see anyone to buy them in competitive matches. I would boost them or reduce their costs.

And some infantry units are even more underwhelming than already underwhelming other infantyr units. The most noticable one is flak trooper why would I train them when I can already train flak tracks with just extra 75$ I can get more mobility+durability+carrying ability?

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EVA-251
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the nature of competitive play. Ultimately, competitive players will zero in on the most efficient/effective strategies and build orders, and discard everything else.

Defenses are static. Why invest in defenses when a blob of tanks does the job just as well, and can then be turned around and used in a counter-attack?
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Otuken
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pillbox, Sentry Gun and Tank/Battle bunkers are used to distract and slow down enemies they are helpful considering their low price and no consumption of power same cannot be said for advanced defensive structures.

I would decrease their costs by %15-%20, increase their placement radius and make trainable if possible to get good reasons to build them.

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