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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:49 am    Post subject:  After pandemic over... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

After pandemic over... one of the things... that I would like to do is travel to and attend New York Comic Con.

What about you?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I will plant houseplants in my garden Very Happy
I am joking...
Honestly, I did not think about it since pandemic may only slow down, but it wont be totally over that soon...
Perhaps I would call friends to party since we only gather a few of us at my giant terrace. And finally I wont wear good damned mask anymore.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

How much do you want to bet governments will try to keep us locked in our own homes and prolong this mess for as long as they can ?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It was over last year, the political class is just flopping around like a dead fish gasping for more tyrannical powers to abuse the citizenry.

I'm not really a "consumer" in any real sense, most of my money goes towards things like rent and product refills, but I'm not going to forget the places that voluntarily treated me like shit because of panic.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I do not understand why do you guys love to feed stupid conspiracy theories.

For centuries, governs promote social isolation measures for their populations when dangerous and highly transmittable diseases plague their population. Especially when treatment and knowledge for it is limited. And it works every time. It's not a matter of playing with our freedom, it is a matter of saving lives, gaining time to develop cures, and trying to normalize the civilization. It definitely annoys everyone, but in a situation of emergency like this one, it is necessary. Don't worry, it will end and things will return to the normal type of life we used to have. And once it happens and I get a proper job, I'd love to travel to other places and return to have the social life I used to have with my friends. Until there, patience is a virtue and we need to keep being careful to prevent contamination with covid-19.


@TAK02: Lockdowns cracks the economy, generates unemployments and cut the income of governments. Democratic governs will only apply them if it is strictly necessary, because it is not an interesting measure to anyone.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Banshee nothing the govts did had any effect, and up until april 2020 we KNEW that it wouldn't have any effect, all it did was drag this out longer than it needed to be. The virus is not a plague, it's a highly transmissible illness sure, but the mortality rate doesn't even register as serious historiically speaking.

And it is entirely unprecedented to lock people up for something that kills less people than car accidents, but they did it anyway despite plenty of people objecting logically. You think they would only do it if "necessary" but the pharma lobby and the other rich actors involved who pushed the schemes like ID2020 and various other powergrab paradigms like Bill Gates have been funding organizations and bribing politicians with "investments" to generate the political will.

I don't know why you think everything is a coincidence or prudence, you just can't accept there are global agendas pushed by powerful entities, disguised slightly to be more palatable to the uninformed serfs.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Come on, Banshee; I thought you of all people would trust governments with nothing but mistreating its people and raising taxes for no good reason and making everyone miserable.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

@G-E: I don't know in which world do you live, but definitely not the planet Earth when you say that mortality rate doesn't even register as serious historically speaking. Lockdowns do have a positive effect on retarding the spread of the virus, however, it is hard to measure its effects since you can't experimentally compare what happened with alternative realities (like no lockdowns). Also, many people do violate social restrictions as well making them less effective. I live in a place where a bunch of stupid creatures go the streets without a mask, sit on bars and agglomerate there and on the beaches like there was no covid-19.


@TAK02: I don't trust governments, especially the one from the country that I live. I do trust science, although I may question attempts to misuse it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Banshee wrote:
however, it is hard to measure its effects since you can't experimentally compare what happened with alternative realities (like no lockdowns).


Sure you can, just compare the data to Sweden. They chose the path of freedom and intended herd immunity, and haven't had a single lockdown so far. As a result, they have one of the highest Covid-19 rates per capita in Europe, and even their king thinks their plan was a failure lol.

If you ask me, I think it was just a plot to get rid of the pension crisis Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

"Trust the science"


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yea, I do trust the science, but, as I said:

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I do trust science, although I may question attempts to misuse it.


Your pictures either misuse the science or show situations of science being misused.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Frag it, G-E! Stop bringing absolute lunacy into topics!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

G-E hahaha!
,,Put some more masks on, bigot! You are killing grandma" Very Happy

Man where from do you get these? You are full of awesome theories! Very Happy
What do you think about coronavirus, who started it? Aliens or the illuminati? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MasterHaosis wrote:
who started it? Aliens or the illuminati? Very Happy
CHIIIINA! Build the WAAAALL!!1!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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What do you think about coronavirus, who started it? Aliens or the illuminati?


I think G-E will blame Nibiru. So, yea, aliens! Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Banshee likes to claim to believe or support things (or the inverse), but always demonstrates he actually believes the opposite, and then makes excuses as to why everyone else seeing it is somehow wrong or conspiratorial.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The virus and its effects are real, no denying that.

What you can deny is the opinion that the virus was accidental. This was definitely a bio-weapon in development. We've seen the GLA do this in Generals, and they had no proper resources to pull it off, yet they did.
So how do you think real-life China will handle it?

What you can also deny is the vaccines not being sketchy.
We're barely over a year into this mess, and already we have several vaccines by different companies?

Vaxx is sus. trust.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The Rockefeller foundation released a Lockstep document in 2012 detailing how the elites should handle this politically, then in october 2019 the UN hosted "event 201" sponsored in large part by Bill Gates which all but laid out in specific detail vaccine passports and such under the banner ID2020. Gates is also heavily invested in ModeRNA I believe, and Fauci gets direct kickbacks from it and Pfizer as head of NIH at the time.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm more concerned with the "you'll own nothing and be happy" thing the WEF came up with, which may or may not include people no longer able to repair/use their own machines and devices.

I know Right to Repair is a way to delay it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWIF3ZRpf0I - I'm crowdfunding a direct ballot initiative to bypass lobbyists/politicians & pass Right to Repair

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So the masks work for flu, but not for covid-19, or is there something I don't know?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

G-E wrote:
Banshee likes to claim to believe or support things (or the inverse), but always demonstrates he actually believes the opposite, and then makes excuses as to why everyone else seeing it is somehow wrong or conspiratorial.


Not really. The point is that I do support science and you don't know what the heck is science and you don't want to know it. So, it's hard to argue under these conditions.


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What you can deny is the opinion that the virus was accidental. This was definitely a bio-weapon in development. We've seen the GLA do this in Generals, and they had no proper resources to pull it off, yet they did.
So how do you think real-life China will handle it?


Your conspirational theory doesn't make much sense. You think China released it on purpose, right? Why didn't they have any treatment for it? Why was it "released" on their own population, placing the families of those who are authorities at risk? Don't you think that those who participate from these governments that you "fear so much" do have families and friends?

The World Health Organization has investigated it and while there are no firm conclusions of what happened, they have discarded the odds of this virus being released from local laboratories, because these labs didn't have this virus in the first place. There is strong evidence that some bats in the frontier between China and Miammar had this virus, infected some third party animal, who contaminated humans.

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What you can also deny is the vaccines not being sketchy.
We're barely over a year into this mess, and already we have several vaccines by different companies?


Several of these vaccines were originally targeted to deal with another virus and were adapted to covid-19. Also, the speed of some of the tests were accelerated by reducing bureaucracy and by being easier to test (since people are getting covid quite quickly).


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So the masks work for flu, but not for covid-19, or is there something I don't know?


The masks work for covid too, but there are a lot of people who don't use them. Also, flu numbers are lower because in many cases where the victim has covid and flu at the same time is usually reported as covid only.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The masks work for covid too, but there are a lot of people who don't use them. Also, flu numbers are lower because in many cases where the victim has covid and flu at the same time is usually reported as covid only.

So, 99.995% of flu cases just happen to be covid case too?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't know about the numbers, DonutArnold. Diagnostic of covid-19 is not a trivial matter, since the existing methods have several limitations. Detecting flu in covid-19 victims is even harder since flu is detected by the symptoms and its symptoms may match with some of the covid-19's. Sometimes it starts with covid-19, the immune system gets compromised and other diseases attack it as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A bit late but, after all this is over, I just want to hang out at my friend's place like we used to before, just fooling around, enjoying the last few years we have left in high school. The closest thing I could get to that right now is online multiplayer, but not all of them could come play.

A rant about my government, not at all related to the question, but the topic kind of shifted to covid so might as well join in.
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In the Philippines, the government here is a fuckfest, and the only good thing I can say about our gov is that they can't hide anything through lies like EU/NA governments can. The masses distrust the PRC yet our president went ahead and loaned a f-ck ton of cash from there for infrastructure projects only in the capital about a year or two before the pandemic broke loose, and guess what happened? Those red SOBs took our islands to the west, stationing a number of their navy in the area and building artificial islands, and you know what the pres. said? He can't do anything about it, in the face of an invasion, he admits to his people that he's hopeless about the situation.

Fast forward to the first two months of 2020, news about the pandemic got out, they banned all air travel to and from the country, except Mainland China where ground zero was. Months later, the fool practically begged the PRC, the very same people he loaned money from, to give us their vaccines first. The people after all that Spratly Island nonsense just couldn't trust the PRC at all at that point, and the people treated the president as a joke. Going ahead to early 2021, yeah, those vaccines arrived, but oh boy, they were sketchy as f-ck, nobody wanted to take them, even our health workers, and I can't fault them, the actual effectiveness was at around 50%, hell it might not even do anything at all. A friend of mine's father took sinovac, that didn't do shit, and now their entire family tested positive, so much for that.

A lot of the vaccines were being administered in the capital, while the rest of the country was just ignored. The cases after mid-March suddenly grew higher so they threw us into more lockdowns, and guess where a lot of those cases originated from? The capital. Don't get me wrong, some cities are doing a great job really, but it's a pandemic, the whole nation is at risk, not just a certain region. The mismanagement in this country is so fucked, we're running down a path going to hell.

ah ztypes, never thought I'd see those again.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

NuclieSplitter wrote:
yeah, those vaccines arrived, but oh boy, they were sketchy as f-ck, nobody wanted to take them, even our health workers, and I can't fault them, the actual effectiveness was at around 50%, hell it might not even do anything at all.


Let me guess: Coronavac (Sinovac)?

Yea, that vaccine is quite popular here in Brazil. The effectiveness against getting covid-19, which was calculated as 50,38% is low but good enough to be authorized by almost every country. Most vaccines based on inactivated viruses do have this kind of effectiveness, like the one for Influenza that is produced here. But this doesn't mean that it does nothing at all. During the tests (at least here), it had 100% of effectiveness against intubations, as long as people take 2 doses of it and leave some time for their immune system to react to it. Only one dose doesn't prevent deaths. So, it doesn't prevent you from getting covid, but it helps you to react better against it and it reduces the crowd using ICUs in hospitals. Also, it seems to be quite safe compared to other vaccines. People usually have no problems when they take it.

It is worth mentioning that those vaccines based on inactivated viruses might react better against variants since they stimulate the immune system to produce defense against almost all proteins of the virus.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Banshee wrote:
G-E wrote:
Banshee likes to claim to believe or support things (or the inverse), but always demonstrates he actually believes the opposite, and then makes excuses as to why everyone else seeing it is somehow wrong or conspiratorial.


Not really. The point is that I do support science and you don't know what the heck is science and you don't want to know it. So, it's hard to argue under these conditions.

Proving my point nicely...
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Even I also believe that this is artifical virus, produced in lab (I did not said that Chinese lab specifically, it can be anyone. I can produce something and throw it in Banshee's backyard, to distract everyone's attention). I do not believe WHO regarding this. They had no clue what is going on.

Banshee,Donut Arnold, regarding flu and corona combo.... I actually saw it. My best friend had ,,corona". he had temperatur for two days, and was positive in test. They diagnosed it just like that. And nothing happened to him, just that. he was two weeks in quarantine. But, one month later, he and his father nad mother got corona for real. They had high temperature for few days, he was weak, his father was sent to hospital because of complications. His mother had complications. Luckily, the all survived. It was recently, Two weeks ago. He told me that first time was nothing compared to it. But he cannot have virus with one month of difference twice! That is point of all. First time it was just silly flu.
My fiance in March also got temperature. They sent her to test automatically. She was barely holding there because she had problems obviosly, but because of this situation she had to wait for hours because everyone was testing there. Both sick and not sick, those who they suspect that were sick! Everything is corona. This corona, that corona.... And she was negative, of course, they diagnosticated to her some flu. it passed over next day. But! She had a risk to really pick virus there because everyone must be tested there!
Wht I want to say, in many cases there were cases when people did not hav virus, just simple flu. People forgot that we died before 2020.... people died in 2019, 2018... etc etc... and was sick much way before corona existed. And now it seems that nobody has anything else besides coronavirus.
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She was barely holding there because she had problems obviosly, but because of this situation she had to wait for hours because everyone was testing there. Both sick and not sick, those who they suspect that were sick! Everything is corona. This corona, that corona.... And she was negative, of course, they diagnosticated to her some flu. it passed over next day. But! She had a risk to really pick virus there because everyone must be tested there!

And that's why we are asked to wear masks when go to crowded places, i.e. supermarket. Life here in a small German city is relatively peaceful, and I didn't heard any news about corona here, but everyone I see is wearing mask when asked/needed. At least better than those still protesting in Berlin about their "freedom". Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MasterHaosis wrote:
Even I also believe that this is artifical virus, produced in lab (I did not said that Chinese lab specifically, it can be anyone. I can produce something and throw it in Banshee's backyard, to distract everyone's attention). I do not believe WHO regarding this. They had no clue what is going on.


While WHO may really have a hard time to figure out what is going on and might have given bad clues in the past, I am with WHO regarding a non-artificial virus.

- First, it has been found in several bats from different locations and this is proven. So, this is not artificially created.  

- Second, to reinforce the first point. I've seen other researchers locating similar virus to SARS Cov2 on samples of material sewers from several cities in Brazil extracted in 2019, months before Covid-19 arrive here in humans. Possibly, the virus from sewers came from bat poo or something like that. Some researchers found sars cov2 cousins on bat samples from 1972. So, it is something that was being developed on bats for quite some time. I must admit, however, that I no longer have the links for the source of these articles.

- Third, Wuhan used to have (or still has, not sure) a strong market of exotic animal foods. And they weren't exactly local animals. Many were imported. These bats could have infected a third-party animal, even in Myanmar or other locations.

- Fourth, to reinforce the third point and the whole logic so far. Cousins of the virus existed in bats around the world, however, what made it reach humans was that one of them ate an infected third-party animal. Cells from different animals that are infected by the same virus don't produce the same proteins. They produce the proteins that their cells know how to produce. In this specific case, this animal produced sars cov2 with a spike protein that had some primitive ability to infect humans. Infected humans perfected it.

So, while WHO cannot prove their theory, it sounds at least realistic.


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Banshee,Donut Arnold, regarding flu and corona combo.... I actually saw it. My best friend had ,,corona". he had temperatur for two days, and was positive in test. They diagnosed it just like that. And nothing happened to him, just that. he was two weeks in quarantine. But, one month later, he and his father nad mother got corona for real. They had high temperature for few days, he was weak, his father was sent to hospital because of complications. His mother had complications. Luckily, the all survived. It was recently, Two weeks ago. He told me that first time was nothing compared to it. But he cannot have virus with one month of difference twice! That is point of all. First time it was just silly flu.


False positives on RT-PCR exams are possible. And reinfection is also possible. When you have a very weak covid infection, your body may not produce enough antibodies to protect you from an upcoming invasion of the same virus. I've seen that wth my girlfriend. She's got covid last month, had a positive RT-PCR, almost no symptoms at all and did not produce any significant amount of IgM and IgG.

Regarding the flu thing that DonutArnold said, here where I live, we used to have hordes of people having several mosquito diseases like Zyka, Chikungunya, Dengue, or Yellow fever every bloody year. With Covid, the mosquito miraculously disappeared Laughing. Nobody talks about it here anymore.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Banshee wrote:
- First, it has been found in several bats from different locations and this is proven. So, this is not artificially created.  

- Second, to reinforce the first point. I've seen other researchers locating similar virus to SARS Cov2 on samples of material sewers from several cities in Brazil extracted in 2019, months before Covid-19 arrive here in humans. Possibly, the virus from sewers came from bat poo or something like that. Some researchers found sars cov2 cousins on bat samples from 1972.

Sure, just just bat poo. The same research was coming out of Spain about viral fragments found in early 2019 in sewage. One or both of these things is true: people had what we call Covid back then, and/or the test used is overly broad and creates positives with low accuracy.

Banshee wrote:
- Third, Wuhan used to have (or still has, not sure) a strong market of exotic animal foods. And they weren't exactly local animals. Many were imported. These bats could have infected a third-party animal, even in Myanmar or other locations.

Misdirection, they've processed the genome in a dozen countries and found no animal transcoding.

Banshee wrote:
- Fourth, to reinforce the third point and the whole logic so far. Cousins of the virus existed in bats around the world...

Cousins of the virus exist in humans too, every year there are about 12-14 strains of respiratory illness floating around in any quantity, about 4-7 of those are coronaviruses, where the rest are mostly influenza A/B. We don't need to get all conspiratorial to know there's nothing you can do to stop them, and it's like playing whackamole with something you can't even observe.

Banshee wrote:
False positives on RT-PCR exams are possible. And reinfection is also possible. When you have a very weak covid infection, your body may not produce enough antibodies to protect you from an upcoming invasion of the same virus. I've seen that wth my girlfriend. She's got covid last month, had a positive RT-PCR, almost no symptoms at all and did not produce any significant amount of IgM and IgG.

The problem with ANY test is that it doesn't tell you if a person was sick or even infectious, the idea of some pepole being carriers who never get sick, ie. naturally immune is something not properly discussed.

The real important part here is PCR tests are not viral tests, and depending on how many cycles they amplify, they can guarantee a positive or negative for literally anything. This is why the CDC recently adjusted "guidance" for PCR test cycles down, and there's no industry standard to how many is just right. At 60 cycles a watermelon will test positive for Covid, and at 20 cycles a person dying of Covid will test negative. It really is that stark, which makes it useless as a diagnostic.

Of course if you actually listened to the PCR test creator you'd have known this at the beginning, he protested a number of times publicly about the misuse of the technology.


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