Hello there! Currently, currently I am making a mod, Lost Imperium, but at the same time, Ive seen people do Daleks, TD in TS and many mega cool modifications.
So, from looking on this, it may be cool if I did a Stargate SG-1 mod , I want to do something like a total conversion.
This will be based on YR, and races will be the SGC, Ghould and another, but the good part about this is that Stargate has hundreds of races to pick, from Asgard, Toulan, Toak'ra, Rebel Jaffar, but Ill leave that to a poll in future.
I think I will move to a Stargate mod the heros are easy to do, and there are millions of unitttss! which offer more fun packed laser bullet action. Lost Imperium is still in my head, and perhaps if this mod is done, then i'll look back on Lost Imperium. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Nah, it would just be a war on a Planet, for example the Ghould and the Humans are fighting on one planet (as in skirmish), the Stargate may be there as a "protect it" mission, not neccearily working. QUICK_EDIT
Make the MCV Unpack a Stargate, then you build your base from there, getting materials through the stargate. You could also do away with Resource gathering and just make the Stargate provide funds via Oil Derrick Logic, though at an altered rate.
You would need to make alliances of races. Perhaps you could have a Human, Tok'Ra, and Rebel Jaffa Alliance with units from all sides making up the forces but each faction would have their own specilized units. Then you could have a System Lord Alliance, with Everything from Nerti Haktars to Anubis Super Jaffa. This would have to be heavily infantry-based though less emphasis on vehicles and such. You could also throw in the Replicators for good measure.
\\//,DedmanWalkin _________________ "deth is only the beginning," Imhotep from 'The Mummy' QUICK_EDIT
Buildings would be easy to do, we already know about the Ghould defences, the human ones and perhaps some others, also SGC would be easy to make, just replace the marine sounds with that of the TS light infantry to make it sound more marine-like, and the buildings would be camps, outposts, basically they are the heavy punchers of the game, big money but kick ass units like Colonel O'Neill (and the rest of SG-1?).
Ghould would have sides, like Anubis, which has the Anubis Kull Warrior with that mega blaster. Other Ghould are soon to be found out with Rebel Jaffar.
Replicators may be cool ^^, they swarm with numbers, but Ghould would be pants on them (Replicator: love energy weapons Ghould: Noooo!! )
I'm still brainstorming, so any suggestions would be very nice QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:
Would the Tok'ra not be rather boring? They really aren't there to build armies or anything, since they act more covertly and there aren't that many of them. The main focus should be on the Goa'uld really, perhaps with humans. I always feel as though an RTS game controlling a System Lord or a Goa'uld of some sort would be fantastic fun, especially on a game like Rome: Total War.
For game modes, perhaps you could have a hold out mission, where you must keep a Stargate active for the full 38 minutes for some random reason. It would impose an interesting time limit to put the opposing team under pressure.
Could resource gathering not be kept with the concept of Naqadah mines? It could be combined with 'resources through the Stargate thing' but there would have to be only one Stargate.
Will Jaffa get both staff weapons and Zats, or will you separate them?. I'm also guessing that the Al'kesh, Death Glider and UAV will be major aerial units? _________________
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Would the Tok'ra not be rather boring? They really aren't there to build armies or anything, since they act more covertly and there aren't that many of them. The main focus should be on the Goa'uld really, perhaps with humans. I always feel as though an RTS game controlling a System Lord or a Goa'uld of some sort would be fantastic fun, especially on a game like Rome: Total War.
For game modes, perhaps you could have a hold out mission, where you must keep a Stargate active for the full 38 minutes for some random reason. It would impose an interesting time limit to put the opposing team under pressure.
Could resource gathering not be kept with the concept of Naqadah mines? It could be combined with 'resources through the Stargate thing' but there would have to be only one Stargate.
Will Jaffa get both staff weapons and Zats, or will you separate them?. I'm also guessing that the Al'kesh, Death Glider and UAV will be major aerial units?
Yep the Jaffa gets Zats and Staff weaponry, I think they will be seperated though, And yup those will be major aerial units
Ill go through some of the SGC units:
F-302: The second glider completely constructed by the U.S. government, and the first to be the successful template for an series of spacecraft, the F-302 is renamed from the X-302 experimental class vessel. It is armed with advanced weaponry and is extremely durable. It is equipped with a Hyperspace generator allowing it to travel across the map in split seconds.
(Hyper will work like the Guild NIAB in EBFD I've always thought. It should use the Chronosphere schematics in a deploy option?)
Marine: A human marine armed with a P90 Submachine Gun, with very extensive training, he can take on many Jaffa troopers on his own.
RL Marine: A human marine armed with a Rocket launcher. This unit is effective against aircraft.
Engineer: Human marine which can take over Ghould buildings.
*You cannot train Jaffa, or build any Ghould units, but you have stolen the technology of the Ghould, allowing you to train Zat Marines, and many more, including better F-302's.?)
Laser Sniper: This unit calls in a U.C.A.V from the SGC home base on the planet. The U.C.A.V will then fly over to the target and fire 2 heavy missles at it. However, the U.C.A.V is very weak, and it best used against buildings, or in prolonged fights.
U.C.A.V: A special unit which is created off screen by a Laser Sniper, and armed with 2 missles which are very effective against buildings. However, it has weak armour.
F.R.E.D: The F.R.E.D is a eight-wheeled SCG base creator. It carries tools and supplies, and numerous weapons for SGC troops. (Basically the SGC MCV)
Personell Tank: A light fighting tank from SGC military.
Special building for SGC: Naquedah Mine- The Naquedah mine generates a better amount of income than the tech derrick in RA2. It feeds Naquedah which is converted into credits for the user.
Teal'C: Our main man, a hero Jaffa who believes that all Jaffa should be freed from the Ghould. He brings with him a Staff Weapon, and his training allows him to destroy and infantry unit with ease. He also carries C4 charges.
Thats about all I can think of for the SGC at the moment
Ghould Units:
Al'Kesh Bomber: A Goa'uld mid-range bomber. The mid-sized Al'kesh is maneuverable, heavily-armed, and capable of firing enormous blasts of plasma energy.
Death Glider: Two-man attack vessel designed for combat in both space and an atmosphere. Death gliders are outfitted with broadcast speakers to allow the pilots to terrorize the populations beneath verbally, as well as with their weapons. They are outfitted with removable staff cannons, two to three times larger than standard staff weapons, but utilizing the same form of energy.
Tel'Tak: A Goa'uld cargo ship. Also known as a "scout ship," the mid-sized vessels typically carry four escape pods and a set of transport rings, and are unarmed. They are primilary used to drop Jaffa behind enemy lines to wreak havoc.
Jaffa: Armed with a Staff Weapon, and great training, these Jaffa are usually brought up in the way of war at a childhood age, making them born and bred to fight. In numbers, they are a devastating foe.
Heavy Armour Jaffa: The heavy armoured Jaffa, are Jaffa with Serpent Armour, which makes them extremely difficult to kill.
Ghould Symbiote: A Ghould symbiote is a unit which moves at an ample pace on the ground. When it comes into contact with an enemy infantry unit, it takes over the body completley, allowing it to be used against their former freinds.. However, it is very weak. Teal'C is immune to the Symbiote.
Takunita Jaffa: A Jaffa which throws Takunitagamituron devices, which detonate a sonic wave, blinding, killing or making everything in the area unconscious. (That small round thing which goes Boom in a sonic way)
Heavy Weapon Jaffa: A jaffa which can deploy his gun into a heavy staff weapon, it is greatly effective against structures, and infantry alike. The problem is, it takes a while for the Jaffa to deploy it, and undeploy it, also with its ridicule speed.
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(Engineer) for the Jaffa: Can take over buildings, turning them over to the Ghould, but however, they cannot build any human units, instead they gain new units:
Za'Tarc: A unit which has been turned over with Ghould mind control technology. He carries a small device on two fingers which is a laser which cuts through infantry with ease. It is a mindless automaton, it takes riddles of shots to kill this being. When he is destroyed, he explodes.
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Special Troop for Anubis (could be hero?): Kull Warrior- The Anubis Kull Warrior is a super soldier which carries 2 Kull Blasters. He can swathe through infantry with superior ease, and can destroy vehicles in a few moments. He can take a breathtaking amount of damage.
Special Troop for System Lords: Ghould Lord- The Ghould Lord carries a hand device, which only is activated if the user has Naquadah in his/her bloodstream. The Ghould lord can push infantry away with ease, but is not effective against vehicles. To make up for this, the Lord carries a personal shield device.
Thats about everything I can think of There are some SG-1 units I've overlooked possibly, but I will be sure to include them.
Seriously, the SGC is severely handicapped for units, unlike the possessing, laser bearing heavy armour troopers of the Ghould. I will desfinatley make counters to these, as I believe all units should be countered (no imbalanced cheesiness)
I like the part about the 38 hold mission It would be useful in a SG game.
SGC would be the only one to make a Naquedah mine, and the Stargate would probably be placed in the middle of the map. If you send an engineer to capture it, you will recieve free resources. (This is to represent the Engineer dialing it up, going through the gate and telling for reinforcements in money form.)
Still, Stargate Mod MUST be brainstormed further. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject:
The MALP could be implemented in a couple of ways. Firstly, there is the scout MALP (slow, but has excellent scouting range and moderate armour. In certain episodes, there were manned MALPs with a a bit shield. You could use IFV logic for this.
Ha'tak motherships can be used as superweapons, replacing the Lightning storm. Instead of lightning bolts, you could get BIG staff-weapon styled blasts hitting the ground as an aerial bombardment.
If the way of paradropping units in TS is possible in RA2 (dropping them from inside a unit of yours) then the escape pods may be used in the scout ship. _________________
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@Dedman: I think MCV'ing a Stargate is completely nuts. If you do that, and then to kill the enemy you _have_ to destroy it, which, IIRC, is kinda difficult to do. If you leave the stargate non-destroyable, you'd have to force it to be Insignidficant, which would crash the short game.
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Tel'Tak: A Goa'uld cargo ship. Also known as a "scout ship," the mid-sized vessels typically carry four escape pods and a set of transport rings, and are unarmed. They are primilary used to drop Jaffa behind enemy lines to wreak havoc.
Oh yeah, change the parachute anim into the ring drop anim and there you go.
Some of your ideas would be impossible to implement due to engine limitations. Such as Ghould Symbiote, Takunitta Jaffa, Ghould Lord, etc.
Oh, and since stun (from Zats and alike) can't be reproduced, you should make the Zat fire twice/thrice in a row, disintegrating the target
You could add some subterranean tech, saying the Tok'ra tunnel crystals are used.
Tok'ra could also be used as SGC spy units.
The problem with Replicators would be that the engine allows no visceroid-type mutations, nor scavenger logic. You could make them into power leeches, like the Floating Disk is, but that would require it to be an aircraft.
Converting ChronoSphere into a ring teleportation device is very easy and logical.
The SGC could 'borrow' some hi-tech goodies from Asgard, although their tech mostly operates on planetary scale. Or from the Tolan, their Ion Cannon tech was effective before Anubis or whatever it was destroyed them (I think it was Anubis, can't really remember). QUICK_EDIT
@Dedman: I think MCV'ing a Stargate is completely nuts. If you do that, and then to kill the enemy you _have_ to destroy it, which, IIRC, is kinda difficult to do. If you leave the stargate non-destroyable, you'd have to force it to be Insignidficant, which would crash the short game.
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Tel'Tak: A Goa'uld cargo ship. Also known as a "scout ship," the mid-sized vessels typically carry four escape pods and a set of transport rings, and are unarmed. They are primilary used to drop Jaffa behind enemy lines to wreak havoc.
Oh yeah, change the parachute anim into the ring drop anim and there you go.
Some of your ideas would be impossible to implement due to engine limitations. Such as Ghould Symbiote, Takunitta Jaffa, Ghould Lord, etc.
Oh, and since stun (from Zats and alike) can't be reproduced, you should make the Zat fire twice/thrice in a row, disintegrating the target
You could add some subterranean tech, saying the Tok'ra tunnel crystals are used.
Tok'ra could also be used as SGC spy units.
The problem with Replicators would be that the engine allows no visceroid-type mutations, nor scavenger logic. You could make them into power leeches, like the Floating Disk is, but that would require it to be an aircraft.
Converting ChronoSphere into a ring teleportation device is very easy and logical.
The SGC could 'borrow' some hi-tech goodies from Asgard, although their tech mostly operates on planetary scale. Or from the Tolan, their Ion Cannon tech was effective before Anubis or whatever it was destroyed them (I think it was Anubis, can't really remember).
Ghould Symbiote can be done, you just change it so it jumps into infantry like a terror drone, and use the permanent mind control off the dominator.
I've thought about the Tolan.. there weapons are coool, but they are a dead race plus the SGC has only about 1 cannon? to my knowledge. Anubis destroyed the Tolan by changing his shields to match the Tolan Ion cannons, which made killing the planet an easy prospect. The Tolan fled the planet in ships.. some got shot but they arent out completely from what ive heard. Asguard are a nice possiblility, but we havent seen there weapons in a ground fight yet.. so I dont know what to start on for the Asguard. They may be a 3rd race, or something
To'kra tunneling is a possiblility! Sounds nice QUICK_EDIT
Ghould Symbiote can be done, you just change it so it jumps into infantry like a terror drone, and use the permanent mind control off the dominator.
How are you going to do that? Permanent MC only works with the PsyDom superweapon.
As for the Tolan, who says Anubis shared his changed shields with all the other System Lords ? It could be like an uber defense, blasting most of the Ghould mechanical units, but poor against inf? Or just an AA defense or something? QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject:
I could've sworn that Terror Drone logic can be combined with mind control. Perhaps I made it up in my head.
The Goa'uld shield could work like the shields from Exodus, or could simply be enabled all of the time. As explained in the series, slower-moving projectiles will be able to get through a shield so that could be used somehow. _________________
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:
What do you mean? you can mindcontrol terror drones? or you can use T.D.s to Mind Control? _________________ PPM's Reichstrollfuherer, 236th Trollenparties brigade. QUICK_EDIT
Making the Stargate an MCV doesn't make all too much sense now that I think about it. However, you could make it capturable and allow it to give you resources and maybe a paradrop. Here is my contribution:
Tok’Ra, Rebel Jaffa, Earth Alliance
Infantry:
SG Marine (P90) Basic Infantry
SG Commander (P90, Grenades, T.E.R.) Commander
Jaffa Warrior (Staff Weapon) Heavy Weapons
Tok’Ra Agent (Spy, Disguised) Spy
SG-1
Teal’c (Death Glider Staff Weapon, Convert Jaffa) Hero
Colonel O’Neill (P90, Grenades, UCAV Airstrike) Hero
Samantha Carter (MP5, Mind Control Structure) Hero
{Dr. Daniel Jackson (MP5, C4) Hero} Maybe Remove
Vehicles:
Mobile 90mm Machine Gun (Deploys into Machine Gun Nest) Basic Defense
Mobile Staff Cannon (Deploys into Staff Cannon Emplacement) Heavy Defense
MALP (Repairs) Base Extension
UCAV (Missiles) Airstrike Unit
UAV (Recon) Spyplane Unit
Tel’Tak (Cloaked, Unarmed, Holds 10) Transport
Tunnel Grower (Transports 10 Infantry Underground through Tunnels) Transport
F-302 (Staff Cannons) Fighter
FRED (MCV) MCV
Anubis’ Forces
Kull Warrior (Rapid Fire Staff Weapon)
Osiris (Teleports, Za’Tarc Laser) Hero
Non-Allied Structures:
Naquadah Mine (Oil Derrick Logic)
Stargate (Oil Derrick Logic, Paradrop)
Fountain of Youth Cube (Heals Infantry, YR Hospital Logic)
Repository of the Ancients (Secret Lab)
\\//,DedmanWalkin
Edit: Update! _________________ "deth is only the beginning," Imhotep from 'The Mummy' Last edited by DedmanWalkin on Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:56 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
Especially love the Za'Tarc device so we've got 2 grand SW
A Hat'ak strike from space, and a Za'Tarc transformer.
I don't know about the heros though, usually I'd keep the heros that are living at Series 8, (For example, Selmak is dead, Osiris is rotting in some prison, Neirti is long gone )
Landed Hat'aks could be a problem, have you seen the size of them
Also the Ghould should get an Anti-gravity Dry-Dock for Al'keshes, etc.
I'll ask Banshee if he can make a Stargate SG-1 mod forum where we can dump ideas into there.
I know that Selmak, Nirrti, and Osiris are not currently available for usage but they make the most logical choices. Selmak is the coolest of the Tok'Ra, Nirrti makes the perfect stealth addition to the System Lords, and Osiris is the only hero character that would be applicable to Anubis' forces. I considered replacing Baal with Apophis because Apophis is cooler but elected not to dues to his dying many seasons before.
Perhaps we could replace the Landed Hatak with one of those Pyramid Motherships like in the Stargate Movie and a couple of the episodes, that should be better suited sizewise. I don't think they are armed, though. A Drydock would be okay but that might unnecessarily complicate things. Remember, that while this is YR we don't have to follow preset guidelines like Power, Barracks, Refinery, War Factory, Radar, or Tech. We can change the tech tree, however, we like.
It could just have 2 Sides instead of having to bastardize another SG race. A forum would be nice. Good luck with the Al'Kesh!
\\//,DedmanWalkin _________________ "deth is only the beginning," Imhotep from 'The Mummy' QUICK_EDIT
Clazzy, when I said Ghould Lord was impossible, I meant his infantry-push-back weapon, not the shield.
THe fountain of youth is not exactly a healing device, remember what it did to those rebels or whatever they were when it was first found? It's more of a portable genetic mutator IMO. Last edited by John Galt on Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:45 am; edited 1 time in total QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:12 am Post subject:
What about using the magnetron logic? WOuld it be possible to make it both move units away and make it work with the regular vehicle locomotor? _________________
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Magnetron Logic doesn't work on infantry does it? We could just use Tesla Logic for the Hand Weapon maybe make it dispense some cellspread radiation. I was thinking Temporal Logic for the Zat, one shot paralyzes the second one kills and then the third one eliminates. The Tak could be doable with shrapnel logic, the grenade is thrown then the Sonic Weapons randomly strike all units in range like a Prism Tank or elite Tesla Trooper. I know the Fountain of Youth was highly corruptive but it was only corruptive when someone took extreme amounts of damage, the other people like Daniel and that other doctor seemed okay. I was just trying to find a way to keep the infantry alive longer given that they will be the focus of this.
\\//,DedmanWalkin _________________ "deth is only the beginning," Imhotep from 'The Mummy' QUICK_EDIT
Magnetron Logic doesn't work on infantry does it? We could just use Tesla Logic for the Hand Weapon maybe make it dispense some cellspread radiation. I was thinking Temporal Logic for the Zat, one shot paralyzes the second one kills and then the third one eliminates. The Tak could be doable with shrapnel logic, the grenade is thrown then the Sonic Weapons randomly strike all units in range like a Prism Tank or elite Tesla Trooper. I know the Fountain of Youth was highly corruptive but it was only corruptive when someone took extreme amounts of damage, the other people like Daniel and that other doctor seemed okay. I was just trying to find a way to keep the infantry alive longer given that they will be the focus of this.
\\//,DedmanWalkin
Daniel and the otherguy was ok becuase they slept in a shed for the night, while that crazy south american terrorist slept with it turned on all night QUICK_EDIT
What I meant was that they got the rejuvenation effects without the craziness. Perhaps we could make it dispense permanent chaos gas or radiation after it has been captured/activated. Is it possible to make chaos gas affect your own people? Since infantry will be the focus, we need some sort of way to keep them alive longer. If you can come up with a better way, that would be most useful.
\\//,DedmanWalkin _________________ "deth is only the beginning," Imhotep from 'The Mummy' QUICK_EDIT
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Stargate Mod?
Currently, currently I am making a mod, Lost Imperium, but at the same time, Ive seen people do Daleks, TD in TS and many mega cool modifications.
, I want to do something like a total conversion.
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