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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:00 am    Post subject:  The Future of Modding Reply with quote

Go into yourselves. Think about what modding (and I am referring to TS/RA2 modding here) will look like in exactly a year from today.
Some of you may think "RockPatch4" and "NPatch Santa Claus Edition" and "gufu's TS Patch", while others may not have any hope that tools like that contribute anything and that time will do its job and slowly make the community die out as people move on to work on modern titles.

I can almost assure you that none of these things are going to happen.

The TS engine has something with it that no other game has. The TS engine, after having been researched, was found to be a kind of RTS game maker, that allowed for simple modification of its workings.
It does not use any really compiled files (MIX files have quickly been broken), it does not rely on compiled scripts that only few could decompile and even fewer could understand.
The nature of being based on INI files has made the TS engine a target for many people to create their own twist in a game with ease.

And although by the time Renegade, Generals and lately even C&C3 have been released, this is the one feature of the engine that kept it alive and popular even today.
However, time is leaving its mark.
The attitude towards modding on the developer's side has changed entirely. While they formerly encrypted and compiled files so that nobody can steal content and modify the game, it is now a standard that a map editor is included, and newer games even bring their own SDK with them.

The TS engine is standing strong, which might be because of it's nature being a 2D game (and naturally, 2D games are easier to work with than 3D games).
Still, you see members leave and move on.
In the end, the set of possibilities is used out. If you do not come up with a total conversion, which has a huge lot of work involved, it has been done already and it is not special.
The motivation starting to work on a TC is not only limited by the amount of effort involved, but also by the question "Who am I doing this for?", seeing more and more people moving on and losing interest in this old TS engine.

Have executable modifications changed anything about this?
For a while, certainly. When the first version of my own product, the RockPatch, was released, the attention was exploding.
Suddenly, there was something new. Things that were said to be impossible became possible, modders who gave up on certain ideas suddenly felt a little bit of hope.
This hope lasted for a while, but the executable modifications took something away from modders that they loved most: total control over their own project.

Most people are not able to disassemble an executable, to understand what they see and to modify it to what they want, and can you blame them?
They completely rely on the developers for that matter, and there are only three people that have ever worked on these patches in the TS/RA2 community.
Quite frankly, three people can not live up to the expectations of a community which counts hundreds of people.
Everyone wants something else, the wishlists were filled to overflowing, the bug reports arrived in masses.

After all, all the exe modifications turned out useless, being heavily bugged and not giving people exactly what they want.

So, can we expect that in one year, nothing has changed? Will 2008 be a boring year for the TS/RA2 community?
Will we see "RockPatch4", "NPatch Holy Mary Edition Revision #1337" and another guy's TS patch?

I have, while developing RockPatch2, realized that there is nobody I am devleloping it for. Maybe 20 people have a major interest in it.
And, I do not know this, but maybe, these 20 people would have found RockPatch2 buggy and stopped using it as well.

After reading through the thread that I posted on DeeZire almost 3 years ago, announcing my first executable modification, I got an idea, immediately stopped RockPatch2 development and worked on realizing this new idea.
What if I told you that modding TS/RA2 will be changed forever some time next year?

My new project gives modders back their total control.
I have a working prototype of an application that allows for executing a specific procedure in an external module on demand.
That means, you create a DLL with an exported function and tell the application when to execute it.
The DLL name, the function name and the time to call it can be specified in what TS/RA2 modders love most: INI files.

Such a DLL can be coded up in C++ with ease.
Said application is not the only tool available. As soon as I finished it, I will start writing wrappers for C++, so that later, you can have something simple as "Unit->Kill( )" and it works.
How do you know the time when your function must be called? To be honest, this will be the hardest part to make easily understandable, but I already have an idea concerning that.

The goal is that those who know C++ and those who are willing to learn C++ can implement their very own features into the game (things like new SuperWeapons will be a piece of cake).
Those who do not know C++ can opt to use other people's work, and of course there will be a RockPatch2, just in a DLL. Wink

Making advanced development publicly available is only one of the benefits of this idea.
The most important thing might be the possibilities. It can take you an hour to write a long function in assembly. That function often requires hours of planning and researching.
All that was then. Now you can easily add to the game.
Heck, if I am able to come up with good drawing wrappers it might be an easy enough job to make a SuperWeapon that launches a game of Tic Tac Toe on the screen.
If you win, the enemy receives heavy damage, if you lose, goodbye. #Tongue
Just one of many possible ideas.

And that's still not all. This system is pretty easily portable to any executable.
IE, Tiberian Sun and even Red Alert 1 will probably not be forgotten.

Prepare for a huge change next year.
Merry Christmas! Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sound kickass:)

I have use RP patch but deleted it because IS was not my work. Sad. And people say: It's have be done before.

I will really like this things. Because I have start to read C++ codes and learning on school now. This is a kickass day.

Merry Christmas PD
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Who am I doing this for?", seeing more and more people moving on and losing interest in this old TS engine.


That Is one of the reason's why I've gave up on many projects in the past. The thought that all the work I would have put into a project, and no-one would even like it or worse kind of puts me off. Long before the mod Derelict Soul was announced. I Had been working on a project by myself for a long time, right before I had even got actually any good at modding. I never announced It, sadly. And then, one day, I just thought to myself, "...Whats the point? I Wont get anything out of it." Confused

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After reading through the thread that I posted on DeeZire almost 3 years ago, announcing my first executable modification, I got an idea, immediately stopped RockPatch2 development and worked on realizing this new idea.
What if I told you that modding TS/RA2 will be changed forever some time next year?

My new project gives modders back their total control.
I have a working prototype of an application that allows for executing a specific procedure in an external module on demand.
That means, you create a DLL with an exported function and tell the application when to execute it.
The DLL name, the function name and the time to call it can be specified in what TS/RA2 modders love most: INI files.


This is Fantastic news. It sounds like a great idea, even the newer modders could easily use this correctly due-to the use fact the information can be specified in the .INI files.

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And that's still not all. This system is pretty easily portable to any executable.
IE, Tiberian Sun and even Red Alert 1 will probably not be forgotten.

Prepare for a huge change next year.


Excellent! I'll be keeping my, Evolution project hidden until I Hear more news about this, then. Smile
Thank you, PD.

Oh, And Merry Xmas to you, and the rest of PPM.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The TS engine has something with it that no other game has. The TS engine, after having been researched, was found to be a kind of RTS game maker, that allowed for simple modification of its workings.
It does not use any really compiled files (MIX files have quickly been broken), it does not rely on compiled scripts that only few could decompile and even fewer could understand.
The nature of being based on INI files has made the TS engine a target for many people to create their own twist in a game with ease.


This is exactly what kept me working on a TS mod after two years of no significant progress (except total re-design). Tiberium Wars has been released, and it has offered many possibilities a TS engine could never provide, but still something keeps me working with TS, instead of "moving forward".

This new project sounds unbelievably awesome. I'm happy to learn more of C++ language (I know some of the basics). Best of, this doesn't forget INI editing - The most simple and the easiest way of game editing, I must say.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, pd. You just won a cookie!

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Maybe 20 people have a major interest in it.


Well, I'm making a TC for YR and I'm very interested on RP2. Since I have an excellent team making that TC, I won't give up making it.

Also, I think it's time for me to learn C++ language finally and thanks to you! Smile


Merry X-Mas to you and rest of the PPM people!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won a cookie? Dam, he should win a bloody lake full #Tongue

Come on people! Hes basically worked hes ass off for how many years to make modding great for us, and now hes handed the game to us at almost the level of that of having the source code.

Not only will this allow us to have control over our projects like never before, it will also take the pressure of hes back because really, you WILL be able to do it yourself now #Tongue

So that means HP is useless now? Sad

Anyways, Merry Xmas to you to pd, have good one!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn. I forgot to say Merry Christmas. Well, here it comes #Tongue

Merry Christmas to Pd!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah. This means that we get to be our own pd #Tongue

And, pd, you're a great teacher. Thanks to you, dozens of people will learn C++.

Merry Christmas! Oi!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TSHyper wrote:
So that means HP is useless now?

If this works out as planned, executable mods (RP2, HP, NP) will indeed be useless.
Don't worry, I've been working on RP2 for over a year, to no avail, thanks to this one... >.<

TSHyper wrote:
almost the level of that of having the source code.

That depends on me now, since I need to write the C++ wrappers. But since it is C++ and no longer some weird hex soup, I might get a few nice people helping me. Smile
It's basically converting my EXE information database to C++ classes...


Thanks to Aro and Yuri o07 for commenting on some other things I pointed out. Smile

And thanks for your Christmas wishes!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an amazing idea, PaD! It should make TS modding much better than C&C3 will ever be, honestly.

And merry christmas.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PD is my hero. Will you marry me?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. PD. thank you for such good news. Thank you for all your hard work and contribution to C&C modding.

Being a modder since the days of RA1, its always nice to see modding does get better and better over the years. Very good news for TC'ers like myself and others.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pd! This is very useful. Merry christmas too.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YaY great new here Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Sounds really good pd #Tongue
VK should join you again pd, f*ck those complicated hex codes this is the real deal

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its beautiful Crying or Very sad
i will stay strong with the community until someone pries my fingers off my mouse
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Thank you for all your hard work and contribution to C&C modding

4 shizzle
so yea this news, it sounds great
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need C++ guide, fast!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea Gufu.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Team Black wrote:
PD is my hero. Will you marry me?


Cheating on me? How could you do this to me, Team Black! I Thought we had a thing... Crying or Very sad

OH NO HE DIDN'!! #Cussing out

Hmm, I Have a small question. How is progress going on this project, PD? Slow, fast, when you can be arsed, etc? I'm juts a bit curious to know, as I was a fan of the original RockPatch and RockPatch2. This new project Is going to render all of them useless, right? Any chance It'll have a built-in No CD Crack?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm working on it pretty intensively!

Actually, the application loading the DLLs is done, ie DLL implementation is already possible and works just fine.
If you want it (consists of a barely edited gamemd.exe, the app I called "Debugger.exe" and an info file specifically for YR) I can already release it and you can already start making DLLs for it, but the thing is that my wrappers will take a long time and without them, you are restricted to use inline assembly and are as far as before.

The wrappers are going strong.
I will give you an example:

For testing, I introduced my "MasterKey" function, that replaces the "show mouse coords" (for the release I will remove this again, of course).

The MasterKey function in the DLL looks like this:
Code:
EXPORT MasterKey()
{
   PUSH_GP_REGISTERS;

   MessageListClass::PrintMessage(make_unicode("Hello!"),3);

   SET_RETURN_EIP(0x537EFF);
   POP_GP_REGISTERS;
}


Those statements in all caps I will explain when the day comes, they're pretty important to not crash the game. In some advanced cases you might not want to use them, which is why I did not "hardcode" them.
SET_RETURN_EIP you will seldomly be using.

The MessageListClass is responsible to write a text, e.g. the LightningStorm creation text.
make_unicode("Hello!") will make it print "Hello!" (it wants a unicode string), "3" is the ColorScheme to use, [Colors] entries, 3 stands for yellow (remember each entry is doubled as the INI says). Later you'll want to use HouseClass::Player->get_ColorScheme() instead of 3 so you have it in your color.

Each DLL must have a control INI file so the loader application knows when to use it!
In my case, it looks like this:
Code:
[Hooks]
0=537EF0,YRWrapper.dll,MasterKey

The first value is the breakpoint, I will explain them later (also I will release lists of them).
The second, obviously, is the DLL to be loaded, the third is the function to be called.
Done!

Now I bind the "show mouse coords" to a key I like, press it, and got "Hello!" printed. Smile
That's how it's going to work.

It will feature a built in No-CD-Crack.
gamemd.exe can be run without running ra2md.exe. Running just gamemd.exe will allow you to play the original game without any DLL loadings, ie without any modifications! In order to use DLLs, you run my loader application, which takes care of launching gamemd.exe (command line arguments are passed, don't worry there Smile ).
Like the RockPatch, it will not install on a cracked game and I will think of good ways to detect them... through the DLLs I can make the game even protect itself. Wink


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now thats a professional work. At least that annoying MISSING: thing is gone. It should be better in multiplayer maps.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot merrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyy X maSSSSSSSSSSSS

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam! You remind me of me when I'm on the booze! It's freakin' great! #All_Coholic

Excellent work, PD. I'm actually amazed with the progress you're making.

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It will feature a built in No-CD-Crack.
gamemd.exe can be run without running ra2md.exe. Running just gamemd.exe will allow you to play the original game without any DLL loadings, ie without any modifications! In order to use DLLs, you run my loader application, which takes care of launching gamemd.exe (command line arguments are passed, don't worry there Smile ).
Like the RockPatch, it will not install on a cracked game and I will think of good ways to detect them... through the DLLs I can make the game even protect itself.


Very good. Thank you. Smile

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Dregan! Oh well christmas is what happiness came. Pd your the best!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pd write a dll that allows to build 2 buildings at a time and se if it works

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Lol... why? Stupid IMO...

pd i focusing on adding and fixing features that will be helpful to modders.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting. maybe a C&C chat application. xD where units message each other.
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Wow, awesome work as ever Pd. Good luck with it.

would sticky it if i could.

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Oh, I would like to add ability for units to talk if they are in midst of battle.
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Tratos wrote:
would sticky it if i could.
Stickyficated.
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Holy damn cow. That's impressive work already #Tongue.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is very good news. Very good news indeed. Smile

Edit: Oh yeah, will this allow such things as poor network coding to be fixed? I mean, there are many recon errors which can occur from excessive use of particle systems (such as smoke on debris), and even the particle system itself seems to cause unnecessary lag. It would be incredible to be able to fix these limitations (on TS, at least).

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so wait, what this thing does is literally adding new code (from a dll) into the game at any breakpoint you can want?

(well AFTER the code that loads the INI, I'd imagine, lol)
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Yea, what the program detects the program as reached that offset / breakpoint, it tells it to use the code form the DLL, then the DLL will execute that code and jump back to where it needs to goto to continue.

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Nyerguds wrote:
(well AFTER the code that loads the INI, I'd imagine, lol)

Why?
You can hit the breakpoint on the game's entry point and it'll work. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I directed my thoughts towards modding C&C3 at the moment I sensed that this thread was going the cynical way, but how wrong I was!

This sounds awesome, it sure encourages me to stay on the modding scene around here!

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wait, wait, this "code inserting debugger" is an EXTERNAL program? Neutral
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Will RP2 be built from scratch, or in other words, is this a new engin, or a new patch? If so, I think many people would agree with me if I saied the voxel-engin should be improved Very Happy And I think I should find myself a 2048-page C++ guide Very Happy And how far away is a beta?
And we need bigger maps and more players! Or give it a 99players limmit! ROFL!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nyer: Yes, a App and a DLL.

D3: Its not a new engine, but allows many more possibility's by people other than pd to write new logics and hacks using this DLL, as long as you know C++.

New Voxel Engine, and more players is not really a major thing at this moment i would think, though a 10 play game would be nice for that new... damit pd #Tongue

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Aye I'm gona love this new rp2.

My TC might be done before this one is complete,i'll add a patch if this RP2 gets done and has some usefull tags.

happy new year PD.

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Anonymous wrote:
Aye I'm gona love this new rp2.

My TC might be done before this one is complete,i'll add a patch if this RP2 gets done and has some usefull tags.

happy new year PD.


sorry that was me ...i think i logged off by accendent.
anyway will AA combat be fixed ?.

look at my post at the VK forum on Npatch bugs section.

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Would be good if you linked to it, what is the problem then?

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Sorry, but I don't check out VK's forums regularly, so I doubt I'm going to find it like that, so, you better give me some link.

OK, I won't be keeping all the 4 threads (RenProj, PPM, Revora and C-Gen) updated parallely, updates will go in here:
http://forums.renegadeprojects.com/showthread.php?tid=925

It already contains a first little demo project (no DLLs yet) which displays the money of all the players.
Critical updates will generally be available on
http://rp2.strategy-x.com/

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

response to first post:

I like modding with the TS engine. it's a great exercise in creativity. just like sketching and/or sculpting. I don't know about you guys but I really like to exercise creativity through modding. And the TS engine makes it easy for me and many other people. I really hate to think that TS/RA2 modding will die just like that Sad

I'm sure that TS/RA2 modding will be here to stay for a long time Smile , but like PaD said, we just have to invest a little more effort.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://forums.revora.net/index.php?s=&showtopic=53248&view=findpost&p=551371

read carefully- Very Happy
What i mean is the tag AG=[bool] .

Doesn't work when a unit with AAcombat=yes is used with a weapon that has AG=no set
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just wonder, have is be some more progress on this Slave Miner Smile?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good idea PD! Now we can let our creativity go wild! Razz
Happy christmas everyone!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea what's going on here, but I like the enthousiasm in this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cumulative IQ of the last three posters isn't worth a dime.

The thread is eleven months old ffs. Slave Miner is pd's alternate nickname. The progress on this is called Ares. This thread has served its purpose and is being closed to prevent more idiotic resurrections. The end.

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