NASAM and Finalsun

GameMaster0000 · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:37 am Post subject: NASAM and Finalsun

I try to add new turret for NASAM that change to Nod color theme

It's work perfectly in game both snow and temperate.

But problem is FinalSun...

Code:

; SAM site turret
[NASAM_A]
Image=NASAM_A ;GACTWR_D
Remapable=yes
Foundation=1x1
Shadow=yes
Surface=yes

If I change GACTWR_D to my custom turret, FinalSun always "Not responding" forever if I open map that have NASAM or try to place NASAM on the map.

Is my code wrong? or something?

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Revolutionary · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:36 am Post subject:

Ive have heard of this bug before and know of its excistance how ever i dont know why there is a problem or if any research in to fixing it has been conducted.
your code is right, the only sugestion you could give a try is changing NASAM_A so it has 8 letters rather than 7 but i dont think it makes a difference

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

I'm no finalsun expert, but do you have a NTSAM_A SHP for temperat maps?
Maybe FS is desperately trying to find that SHP.

In addition, you can remove the Image key. If the [ID] has the same name as the shp there's no need for the Image key, which can also cause some problems (ingame as well as in finalsun).

Shadow=yes is no art.ini key. Remove that.
Surface=yes isn't wise to use on a turret that should be rendered above other things. (Surface forces the game to render this anim on ground level)

@Revolutionary: the name is perfectly fine. Names smaller than 8 characters are no problem at all. On the other hand can names with more that 8 characters cause problems.

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GameMaster0000 · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:27 am Post subject:

I have both NTSAM_A and NASAM_A in ecache02.mix

I try to change it's image to the other, a result is FS always crash if it is not GACTWR_D

Sometime it is not crash but NASAM doesn't show turret image in FS

Edit : I just notice that NASAM turret never show direction correctly in final sun

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Cranium · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Dec 2009 **Location**: USA

have you tried putting them in an expand.mix?

For the direction thing, FS/FA will always only read the first frame in a .shp file when placing them, however will show properly ingame.

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GameMaster0000 · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:36 pm Post subject:

@Cranium : You correct, I test around again all SHP turret alway goes wrong direction in final sun.

Anyway, it still not solve why change turret on NASAM make FS crash.

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Allen · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:12 am Post subject:

The only way I was able to change the SAM site turret with out make FS lock up forever was to make a new NASAM_A.shp NTSAM_A.shp *I recolored the GDI SAM **GACTWR_D** to gray for nod* and put them in to a EXPAND**.mix not a ecache**.mix. If I placed the file in a ecache**.mix the game would crash.

Art code for recolored the GDI SAM, Place .shp's into a EXPAND**.mix
[NASAM_A]
LoopStart=0
LoopEnd=32
LoopCount=-1
Rate=0
Surface=yes
NewTheater=yes
DemandLoad=true ; with out this, the game will not load it.

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FurryQueen · General **Joined**: 24 Jul 2010 **Location**: Liyue

Allen wrote:

DemandLoad=true ; with out this, the game will not load it.

Incorrect.

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Allen · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:39 am Post subject:

FurryQueen wrote:

Allen wrote:

DemandLoad=true ; with out this, the game will not load it.

Incorrect.

With my system this is true. I just remove the tag and the turret did not load.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

DemandLoad is from my experience a very nasty key.
It doesn't only changes the way the game loads a SHP and stores it inside the memory (haven't figured out how exactly yet), but can also cause serious problems ingame like random IEs.
It seems to be problematic especially on player owned stuff using this key.

If possible i try to avoid that key.

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GameMaster0000 · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:16 am Post subject:

Put NTSAM_A and NASAM_A to expandXX.mix

result = Fail, FS still crash.

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Allen · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject:

GameMaster0000 wrote:

Put NTSAM_A and NASAM_A to expandXX.mix

result = Fail, FS still crash.

Roger. I found out why on my end. I had to put NASAM and NASAM_A in expand11.mix AND put NTSAM and NTSAM_A expand12.mix for FS to work. I don't know why this is....

I attached my expand11.mix and expand12.mix that have the SAM base and turret in them for Snow and Tempeate. You should be able to copy my code in to your art and download the two expand**.mix 's I attched. This should make FS work...

I hope.....

Art codes

; SAM site turret
[NASAM_A]
LoopStart=0
LoopEnd=32
LoopCount=-1
Rate=0
Surface=yes
NewTheater=yes
DemandLoad=true

; SAM site base
[NASAM]
Cameo=SAMICON
Image=NASAM
Remapable=yes
Foundation=1x1
Buildup=NASAMMK
DemandLoadBuildup=true
FreeBuildup=true
PrimaryFireFLH=90,50,100
SecondaryFireFLH=90,-50,100
NewTheater=yes
DemandLoad=true

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

DemandLoad is from my experience a very nasty key.
It doesn't only changes the way the game loads a SHP and stores it inside the memory (haven't figured out how exactly yet), but can also cause serious problems ingame like random IEs.
It seems to be problematic especially on player owned stuff using this key.

If possible i try to avoid that key.

I have yet to see a jump in IE's with it. That Key is the ONLY way I have found to make a new SAM. Any other way I have tried has made FS lock up or the game it self IE on map load evey time.

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Tempeate SAM. Has NTSAM.shp and NTSAM_A.shp

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Snow SAM. Has NASAM.shp and NASAM_A.shp

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Why don't you simply rename NASAM into something else like NAAAD (Anti-Air-Defense). If there should be a problem with NASAM being hardcoded in FinalSun in some strange way, this should solve the problem once and for all as every other turreted base defense works perfectly fine too.

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GameMaster0000 · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject:

That is my last way to fix this problem because I don't want to bother the non-problem thing.

But now...I'm not have other choice....

Now, I want to list all bug in FS and how to fix that bug...

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