Disguise.InWater=

Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

Hello, comrades!
I have an idea.
Why not to add a parameter for amphibious units such as
Disguise.InWater= (no by default)?
The reasons are:
1. I want to make an amphibious unit which can disguise.
2. I don't want to remake arts of existing units (such as conscripts, flak troopers, etc., just 'cause this is really difficult and boring) and rewrite artmd.ini.
3. I guess it can be useful.
I'll wait for your thoughts and suggestions on it.

PillBox20 · Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:50 am Post subject:

It makes sence, but what unit will you use for the disguiser? It must have swim frames.

Parasite03 · Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject:

He means that the Unit will revert to it's own image in water and get dusguised back when he get on land.

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Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

Parasite03 wrote:

He means that the Unit will revert to it's own image in water and get dusguised back when he get on land.

Exactly, Watson. Very Happy

Graion Dilach · Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:33 pm Post subject:

How about...

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Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

Graion Dilach wrote:

How about...

Why? What's the reason?

Graion Dilach · Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject:

1. It's useless.
2. It's stupid.
3. With your lazy logic, you coulda ask Disguise.WhileCrawling logic as well, since some inf (conversions mostly) doesn't have such neither.
4. Disguise logic is already a broken mess (disguises being hardcoded to unittem).
5. And you're acting like if this is one of, if not the most greatest ideas ever.
6. Have I mentioned it's stupid?

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4StarGeneral · General **Joined**: 14 Sep 2006 **Location**: Limbo

Well, less about it being stupid; In order to implement, someone would have to include a complete redo of every infantry to disguise as if this were set to yes, to include a swimming frame, otherwise it would call 'nil', and no one wants that.

And 4. Disguise Logic is already a broken mess.

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Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

@Graion: Man, you're kinda agressive.
@General: Yeah, that's why I want this param.

So, why not to remake the disguise and cloak logics, including Mirages?

Nikademis Von Hisson · Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject:

I agree with GD. The logic behind this makes no sense. If you want to make it disguised in the water just give it a blank frame in the shp file so no one will see it coming.

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Atomic_Noodles · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Oct 2011

If you don't want to edit every existing infantry to include a wetsuit soldier then thats not much in motivation for a modder. I've been fixing far more complicated stuff on infantry as well. Just adding a wetsuit set for every individual infantry you want it to disguise into would be enough to make your Water Disguise work already.

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Team Black · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:28 am Post subject:

modding is a business, and our currency is time. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

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RP · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:11 am Post subject:

Astral wrote:

So, why not to remake the disguise and cloak logics, including Mirages?

You make it sound so easy!
Without any knowledge I can tell you rewriting all those logics is going to take a tremendous effort not only time wise.
These are big things you're talking about.

Besides that, the disguise logic for Mirage tanks is nothing like the logic for infantry.

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Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

@Nikademis: Blank frames? No, this looks bad. And I am asking about LOSING the disguise (not to make it "cloak") when unit gets in the water.
@Jem: Hmm, it is good idea... for RA3. But anyway I'll think about it. Also, how about Conscripts that can swim and attack right from the sea? Very Happy

@RP: Of course, this is big work. It's just my suggestion.

Graion Dilach · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:11 pm Post subject:

You have to keep in mind that there are a lot of users of Ares.

I aim towards generic features with a lot of use-cases. This is totally specific which noone will gonna use thereby useless. It does not worth my time.

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PillBox20 · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:40 pm Post subject:

Yuri Clone: "Understandable..."

But if I understand correctly, the Ares guys are concentrated on inputing important stuff. Stuff that will be used by a lot of peaple.

Correct?

RP · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:47 pm Post subject:

Obviously. Why spend your time working on a feature only 2 people use, while you could spend that same time to work on features more people like and use.

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PillBox20 · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject:

Good point! The more users the better! Very Happy

Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

RP wrote:

Obviously. Why spend your time working on a feature only 2 people use, while you could spend that same time to work on features more people like and use.

...If you have such features to implement.
@Dilach: Rule your time as you want. I not pretend to change your mind. Just become less agressive. Wink

Nikademis Von Hisson · Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject:

Astral wrote:

RP wrote:

Obviously. Why spend your time working on a feature only 2 people use, while you could spend that same time to work on features more people like and use.

...If you have such features to implement.
@Dilach: Rule your time as you want. I not pretend to change your mind. Just become less agressive. Wink

If you want the feature then learn to code. If only 1 person wants a feature why should the team go and create it just to make you happy. IMO, there is no need for such a feature. So this topic should be a dead issue and left to rot.

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Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

2 days passed... It's too early to close this topic. Maybe someone who can like the idea and use it just didn't watched this topic yet.

AlexB · Commander **Joined**: 31 May 2010 **Location**: Germany

That's usually not the right way to do it. Many features are requested, they collect a fellowship, and this makes them important. Proposing something and then asking for people whether they can come up with the need for this is the other way around.

The feature proposed is a shortcut for something that can already be done, and the number of use cases is rather limited: Disguisable infantry that can swim. I don't deem it a high priority.

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Astral · Disk Thrower **Joined**: 07 Dec 2012 **Location**: nowhere

Repeat: it's just a proposition.
The priority doesn't matter, you already have another work to do.