Tiberian Sun 1.0

Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

I've long lost my tiberian sun game and have been using the EA decade version as I'm sure most others are aswell. At some point I remember hearing that the fog of war did function without crashing on an older version, aswell the orca transport logic. Does anyone know if this rings true? I would test this myself but I cannot find a 1.0 no-cd crack anywhere...

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Allen · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject:

The Orca Transport logic did work fine up to Firestorm patch. I think the fog of war and random map gen was broke some time before the Firestorm patch.

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Exley · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:57 pm Post subject:

I have version 1.0.8
everything works fine

its even more stable than 2.0 with firestorm

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Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

Is that so.... interesting, maybe my next mod will be built over an older version.

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Allen · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:23 am Post subject:

Hyper patch fixed the Orca Transport logic. As for geting the other working again I have no idea.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

You can find different patches/versions of the game here.

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Exley · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:20 am Post subject:

Aydra wrote:

Is that so.... interesting, maybe my next mod will be built over an older version.

you would miss some stuff from Firestorm then #Tongue

1 annoying thing of old vanilla versions, building walls cell by cell, no lined place
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no spider clustering missiles
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no droppod superweapon
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no "common" structure types
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no portable war factories
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no mutated plant life on maps

maybe I missed some #Tongue

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Allen · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:13 am Post subject:

1 annoying thing of old vanilla versions, building walls cell by cell, no lined place

Line placement for walls was done before Firestorm I think...

no portable war factories

Can be done using Tick Tank key. Deploy facing will be wrong but should still work.

no mutated plant life on maps

Plants can be done still. Should be done by temperat.ini/snow.ini

Other things that can be done in pre Firestorm

No Tiberium Floater.

Limpet's attach logic won't work.

Juggernaut's BurstDelay0= and BurstDelay1= won't work but the Burst=3 should work fine.

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

Fog Of War has a always been a rare random crash, but as the years go by and computers get more powerful and advanced, the crash is far more common.

Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

I'm testing 1.17 and I haven't crashed yet with fog of war, dropship and transport work without the hyper fix. I also found pre-firestorm you can't save skirmish matches which could be a problem for some.

I'll try out 2.0 and see what turns up.

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

If you can defiantly pin point the patch when Fog Of War started to cause continuous crashes, I might be able to find the cause or change that might have made this happen.

Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

With Version 1.17 shroud and aircraft work correctly, but when I upgrade to Firestorm 2.0 the game crashes around 5 minutes in with the shroud and the transport/dropship won't land. They must have changed a few things around at the cost of others and since not many people play with shroud on and air transports are not used, it wasn't a big issue. The only things I'd hate to lose using a pre-firestorm game is drop pod and skirmish save games.

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Bittah Commander · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject:

Are you able to accurately confirm which version of TS is the latest one that doesn't crash with Fog of War enabled? I personally only seem to get the crashes while playing online, so I can't reliably test it myself.

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Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

Version 1.08 - No Crash
Version 1.13 - No Crash
Version 1.17 - No Crash
Version 2.0 TS - Crashed
Version 2.0 FS - Crashed
Version 2.03 TS - Crashed
Version 2.03 FS - Crashed

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

Aydra wrote:

Version 1.08 - No Crash
Version 1.13 - No Crash
Version 1.17 - No Crash
Version 2.0 TS - Crashed
Version 2.0 FS - Crashed
Version 2.03 TS - Crashed
Version 2.03 FS - Crashed

Can you try with Version 1.17a please?

http://cchyper.cncnet.org/prj/ts/ww_patches/117a/

deathreaperz · Commander **Joined**: 20 May 2013 **Location**: Indonesia

Tiberian Sun 1.0 is different with the original Tiberian Sun???

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

"TS 1.0" is in fact TS 1.08, stock TS installation.

Bittah Commander · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:38 pm Post subject:

I've been messing with this today and figured out how to consistently reproduce these crashes:
Enable a map reveal trigger so that you can see the whole map when the game starts and then move your screen all the way to the bottom. Then while the shroud is growing, keep scrolling your screen up and down so that the bottom of your screen keeps going over the bottom border of the shroud and it shouldn't take long before the IE happens then.
It appears to be necessary to do this on a detailed map however, because the crash doesn't seem to happen when the bottom border of the fog just passes over clear ground.

In any case, I've tried a decent number of TS versions and found that the crashes actually also happen with versions 1.17A, 1.17 and 1.13. Versions 1.15C refused to run and version 1.08 couldn't detect my CD-Rom drive, although I doubt it would've made a difference.

So unless it doesn't happen in version 1.08, it's safe to say that the FoW crashes really happen in all versions of TS, although I did discover that much like with the WaveClass Errors, the FoW crashes also relate to being cut off by the bottom of the screen.

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How does a exception.log file look like for the fog of war crash?

Bittah Commander · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:54 pm Post subject:

Here's one (Eip:0046C7E2).

By the way, it appears to be much quicker to reproduce FoW crashes when using a high resolution.
Although I did manage to reproduce it with with 720x576 once (I didn't manage to after trying it again), I haven't been able to get the crash with 720x480 and 640x480 at all.

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Aydra · AA Infantry **Joined**: 05 Apr 2012 **Location**: Canada

Here it crashed the moment my MKII destroyed the enemies conyard on the edge of the shroud. ver1.17

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u304/Nevarine860/Untitled-1_zpsb6475f6f.jpg

1.17a crashed too

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Exley · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:22 pm Post subject:

CCHyper wrote:

"TS 1.0" is in fact TS 1.08, stock TS installation.

I've seen older
dunno if it was warez pre-release
but the one I saw missed some animations (like hand of nod lights) and Lasers were thin like in TD until it was updated via WOL

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Allen · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:34 am Post subject:

There was TS demo made. I don't knw what version of exe it is.

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Exley · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:17 am Post subject:

if demo doesn't have ability to auto update via WOL
then it aint it

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Allen · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:27 am Post subject:

I have no idea. I got it once to see what it has that was not in norm TS years ago.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Bittah Commander wrote:

I haven't been able to get the crash with 720x480 and 640x480 at all.

I think that's the reason why it wasn't found. In the early years only very few knew how to enable high resolutions and probably only a few played with them. Even monitors supported back then only a max of 1024x768.
In addition was surely no one able to decipher EIPs back then, so when a crash happened, no one was able to pinpoint the problem on FOW and they just ticked that off under "random crashes".

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Do you tested if it's FOW only or ShroudGrow=yes as well?
It might help finding the reason of these crashes and test what happens when you set
FogOfWar=no
ShroudGrow=yes

Do different rates on ShroudRate and FogRate increase/decrease the chance of a crash?

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CCHyper · Defense Minister **Joined**: 07 Apr 2005

Exley wrote:

CCHyper wrote:

"TS 1.0" is in fact TS 1.08, stock TS installation.

I've seen older
dunno if it was warez pre-release
but the one I saw missed some animations (like hand of nod lights) and Lasers were thin like in TD until it was updated via WOL

There is no PreRelease or Beta 'Warez', the stock TS installation is 1.08, the TS Demo is 1.15.

If you have seen older then, I guess you are only that person to have done...

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Exley wrote:

but the one I saw missed some animations (like hand of nod lights) and Lasers were thin like in TD until it was updated via WOL

Most likely you've just had Visual Details set to Low.

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DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:35 pm Post subject:

Is it possible to get the orca transport to actually land and stay landed, then unload all passengers at once, instead of the land, drop one guy off, then rise back up, land again, drop another off, etc?

Cause thats really annoying.

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Bittah Commander · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject:

Use Hyper Patch v0.3 and remove Carryall=yes from the unit.

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DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:43 pm Post subject:

Damn DTA should try this out! The Chinooks are annoying as of right now.

Actually I haven't tested chinooks in latest patch.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

The problem is, without chinooks there would be no way to transport vehicles on a island.
DTA would need another carryall aircraft to fulfill this role then.

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Bittah Commander · Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I think that being able to quickly transport MCVs and other slow units over long distances is more important than having a better working infantry air transport unit.

In addition the air transport fix in HPv0.3 comes with the issue that players aren't prevented from unloading an aircraft's infantry while it's docked with a helipad, which then causes the infantry to disappear and once this has happened, you become unable to lose the game (even if you surrender), considering our infantry are still alive for as far as the game is concerned.

This bug is something you can surely put up with in personal mods and even smaller public mods, but I don't think it's acceptable with a larger public mod such as DTA or TI.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

You can still force-docking an aircraft even if it doesn't has the helipad listed under Dock, right?
I wonder if there's a way to make one aircraft completely unable to land on helipads.
Would be no problem if new build helitrans spawn instead next to the helipad or fly in from the next map edge.

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DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr · Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:32 am Post subject:

oh I had forgotten that the chinooks can carry one tank at a time. DEFINITELY want that for island MCV expansion.

I mean, some islands have shores. So maybe you could build a Naval Yard and have a Hovercraft?

But as for the islands that do not have any shore landings, just sharp jagged cliff edges - the Chinook is the only way.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

TS engine doesn't has any vehicle/vehicle transport. The only vehicle transport is the aircraft carryall. Unfortunately.

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