Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:29 pm Post subject:
Merging&reducing buildings
Subject description: functional game with less buildings
I am experimenting with reducing the amount of buildings to build without messing the game up (crash or broken ai). Such as:
Merging the service depot with the conyard
Eliminating the tech center
Reducing need for power plants and eliminating nuke reactor
Merging radar with some building maybe with new conyard
No more gap generator & cloning vats & ore purifier & industrial plant
No more refinery.
In short I try to reduce the buildings to the bare minimum possible. Will post how it goes. _________________ Free Tibed!
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The minimum is; Conyard, Barracks, War Factory, Airfield, Naval Yard. If Factory= could list more then one type you could make the game work with only one building. _________________
I think you still need the Ore Refinery or the AI will go stupid. If you're not worried about the AI, Refineries aren't necessary. _________________ KGR | AT
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why would you want to elminate buildings? u need power.... _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
Refinery can be skipped if you give a high enough amount in the Cash Generation Tags on a building (Maybe the Con Yard) _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
Note that it turned out even BuildBarracks is a must for the game to not crash and FS-21 was wrong there.
Not like if it matters at your case because ten bucks you'll be using TibEd and it will likely make your mod running on the aptly name Bug Tree Architecture as in:
Renegade wrote:
it's based on game theory and the idea that, given enough bugs, all bugs together will form an equilibrium and ensure the correct running of the code
_________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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CnC 4 sucks ass...... _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
judging from the flood of MOBA games swarming the market CnC4 was ahead of its time. _________________ Free Tibed!
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:32 pm Post subject:
OrangeNero wrote:
I feared it would build some just like the mcv when its lost.
The AI does not rebuild it's MCV unless you tell it to do so. Via aimd. On the other hand, the AI does build additional harvesters specified as per [General]->HarvestersPerRefinery. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Past C&C projects: Attacque Supérior (2010-2019); Valiant Shades (2019-2021)
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WeiDU mods: Random Graion Tweaks | Graion's Soundsets
Maintainance: Extra Expanded Enhanced Encounters! | BGEESpawn
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:10 pm Post subject:
But since it had no refineries it won't build any. _________________
DarkVen9109 wrote:
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
How come people here all think they can tell others what they have to do? You can only give advice. What they do with the advice is up to them.
I have no need for fancy modding stuff and besides the apc passenger pip thing from SuperJoe worked for example.
You don't get it do you? I know what I want to do and how. That might not be how and what you want to do hence why you do it the other way.
Orac you're free to come up with some recommendations. I like your approach lets make this a comedy show. We already got a fan below.
I feel kinda sad for all the content creators all over the web who don't get the same amount of attention as I do here. Attention is a hell of a drug. _________________ Free Tibed!
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judging from the flood of MOBA games swarming the market CnC4 was ahead of its time.
Ahead of its time? This was the biggest waste of my money for a video game. Yes creativity, blah blah, blah.... but you can not go from HQ (what it really should be called) to barracks with out power or some way of getting cash.... there is a chain of command and once you break it (Like C&C 4 did) the process becomes crap. I spent time talking with other players of C&C and they came to the same conclusion... C&C4 & Red Alert 3 suck ass.
I don't try and sound like an asshole just to be an asshole. Some times I need to get my point across to people who wont listen in a harsh tone. If you are not a little wimp and need to hide behind mommy's apron and listen to what I say then maybe........ Also when you encourage kids to be mediocre instead of striving for greatness you fail. _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
Red Alert 3 is still okay. Compared to CNC4 its times better with the only difference being Mining is more automated and RA3 plays more similarly to the older CnC. CNC4 is like Rock Paper Scissors with Capture the Flag. _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
I liked CnC4, and it is NOTHING like MOBA's IT was NO ahead of it's time. It is Lateral in it's time, borrowing from Dawn of war tahn anything.
And No one likes you, Your a caustic little shrimp who thinks that they can hit above there weight class just because raisins.
And RA3 was good, not just because I liked it. If more people can look pass the stupid "Made by EA' and "Too Cartoony" you'd see something nice. _________________ I am Zengar Zombolt, The Sword That Cleaves Evil! There is Nothing I can not Cut! QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:30 am Post subject:
CnC 4 is a good game if you don't compare it to other Cnc's IMO. _________________
DarkVen9109 wrote:
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
I've considered making everything amphibious before, but that was only for a gamemode and it was more thought out than "it can just drive onto water/land." Now that I think about it, it was less "everything amphibious" and more "everything waterbound." QUICK_EDIT
RA3 was pretty good, just the story was utterly pointless. I loved the amphibious units and use of naval, it's not like EVERYTHING was amphibious. Building on water was brilliant. Secondary functions made units far more interesting while not being overly complex. QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: ZivDero Joined: 23 Jul 2013 Location: Russia
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject:
It's a bit sad that you can't make a building be able to be built both on water and land and either it WaterBound=no or WaterBound=yes. _________________
DarkVen9109 wrote:
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
I've considered making everything amphibious before, but that was only for a gamemode and it was more thought out than "it can just drive onto water/land." Now that I think about it, it was less "everything amphibious" and more "everything waterbound."
I thought about it too, then I figured it'd be stupid, especially since units become over or underpowered, depending on your defences, where you put them, how much money you have, not being able to cover all these at once. which way the wind is blowing, whether Saturn is in Neptune and having the computer magic the units to defeat your strategy out of nowhere. and, in the console version, regardless of the unit limit you have imposed on you.
So yeah, ztype RA3 and its fat wife. _________________ MIdAS - Turning wages into beer since 2002 QUICK_EDIT
RA3's on par with CNC3 tbh... just with gaining credits being more automated and slower (since you only have 1 collector from each resource node instead of being able to have many of which gathering from the same node)
Adding amphibious allows them to cut down on some units and in some places I do like how this is done.
Riptide,Assault Destroyer,Bullfrog,The Entire Arsenal of the Empire.
RA3 also pulled out some gimmicks which we honeslty would have seen coming if RA2's style was continued...
Multigunner Turret,Chronoshifted Time Bombs,etc. _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
dunno about you guys
but the only thing in RA3 that I liked was nice water ahahahah
Until I get a computer that can run DX11 stuff without going BSOD after 5 minutes... I can't really say anything about that.
My Laptop is crap I have to play CNC3,RA3 & CNC4 in Lowest Graphics. They look like Generals with higher poly models... _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
CnC 4 is a good game if you don't compare it to other Cnc's IMO.
But it is still CnC so people will always compare.
OrangeNero part of this community, but we don't compare him to us? _________________ I am Zengar Zombolt, The Sword That Cleaves Evil! There is Nothing I can not Cut! QUICK_EDIT
there was suppost to be a joke there. Ah well, make that as a fizzle. _________________ I am Zengar Zombolt, The Sword That Cleaves Evil! There is Nothing I can not Cut! QUICK_EDIT
Until I get a computer that can run DX11 stuff without going BSOD after 5 minutes... I can't really say anything about that.
My Laptop is crap I have to play CNC3,RA3 & CNC4 in Lowest Graphics. They look like Generals with higher poly models...
You don't need DX11 for RA3 as far as I can recall. I play it entirely maxed out and it does look pretty damn good honestly. RA3 has a really nice, colorful aesthetic with a campy story to match. RA3 is a blast to play with someone else. Co-op campaigns are easily the best part about RA3. Uprising's Challenge Mode is pretty fun too, if not a little frustrating. And sometimes too easy if you know how to DojoRush right... _________________ KGR | AT
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Merging&reducing buildings
