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Volgin
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jews did 9/11 amirite guise they run the world.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mossad, CIA, Saudi intelligence, and many security firms were involved in that one. I don't understand how your statement is a criticism of any of this thread Volgin...  close to 2/3rds of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job, and most people are waking up to the fact that Israel is the beneficiary of these interventions, providing a perfect picture for "who's the bull and who's the matador" analysis.

The Russians and Syrians have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it's the same usual suspects that perpetrate virtually all terrorism, everywhere in the world, for their own agenda. How the specific alliances shake down is more complicated, as each player has selfish interests, but they all conspire together.

Either you're completely ignorant of the facts Volgin, or you belong to the denialists/apologists. Torture works, you have nothing to hide, we need to bomb the evildoers and so on...?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, Mossad was involved on 9/11. Right... funny joke Laughing

Really, your paranoia at some sort of organization that tries to control the world through the power of jews has reached such limit that you should really seek some serious treatment.


No, it's not true that 2/3rds of Americans believe that it was an inside job. What they know is that CIA has financed/supported Bin Laden and few of his friends to prevent Afghanistan to be conquered by Russian and 'their agents' went rogue at some point. CIA would not direct support an operation that sends a Boeing straight to their own headquarters.

And do go spoiling your incredible sources of articles from sick power hungry neo-nazi/facist/whatever people with 2nd, 3rd, 4th intentions of their own to cover that one for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see, the jets aimed for specific floors, where specific companies had specific things. One key employee that suspiciously didn't show up for work ended up being the administrator for the Iraq provisional govt after the invasion.

If they had waited 2 more days there would have been a huge financial crisis, but you'll have to go research that on your own, it relates to insurance and derivatives (and the SEC).

Building 7 was also housing many important documents, conveniently gone. Remember I mentioned "office fires" ? Yea they claimed building 7 had to be demolished, because it was on fire, caused by debris from WTC1/2 that was on fire landing on it. Please ignore the fact that there was no jet fuel, and no time to rig explosives to demolish it.

The Pentagon section blown up was filled with staff specifically looking into the disappearance of that 2.3 TRILLION dollars Rumsfeld mentioned the day before.

What's perhaps most ironic, AIG was defrauded by the 9/11 conspiracy in 2002 to the tune of billions, but then handed the biggest bailout in history in 2009.

All one big coincidence.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One big coincidence...  and some of your data not making any sense at all. I mean, why CIA would be interested in 'ordering' a huge Boeing to destroy their own office where several of their own staff were working on an information that was already on CIA's system (and that information was not wiped in that event, I mean... CIA certainly has backups). There are other ways to stop certain investigations, which is a way cheaper than humiliating the whole organization, destroying part of its structure and at least killing 184 of their own staff.

Also, it is worth mentioning that terrorist attacks of this kind doesn't stop economical crisis... and there were no terrorist attacks executed in 2008 that could stop the whole crisis that happened in USA at that time.

The 'key employee' story can be a coincidence indeed, it wouldn't be absurd at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volgin is a dirty negligent ztype, he's useless.

Banshee is a classic dupe, we can spit polish this guy:

Its not a coincidence. The aircraft hitting the buildings were just a show. The buildings were rigged with bombs, you fool. The twin tower buildings sunk into their own footprint after the bombs were detonated - and watch any video and see for your self. YOU THINK A ztyping PLANE IS GONNA TOPPLE OVER A BIG ASS BUILDING LIKE THAT? You're obviously not an engineer.

This is called a "FALSE FLAG". The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is also a "FALSE FLAG". Almost every war, is simply a means to an end for royalty to dominate further.

You peasants seem to back them up, for some reason. Its disgusting.

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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/10_False_Flag_Operations.html

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The most commonly known false flag operations consist of a government agency staging a terror attack, whereby an uninvolved entity gets blamed for the carnage. As at least two millennia have proven, false flag operations, with healthy doses of propaganda and ignorance, provided a great recipe for endless war. _In "War is a Racket", Two-time Medal of Honor recipient Major General Smedley Butler wrote: "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested." _You may not have heard of these operations, but perhaps you have heard of these?


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/05/israel-nuked-america-on-9-11-01-shout-it-from-the-rooftops-part-ii/

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As Veterans Today Senior Editor and Director Gordon Duff, a veteran Intel Officer and former Marine as well as a registered diplomat, revealed conclusively when he delivered the keynote speech at the Damascus Conference “Combating Terrorism and Religious Extremism” last December 2014, the real problem is not terrorism but is a very large Organized Crime Cabal associated with Israel.

When this truth about what Terrorism actually is, was first publicly declared anywhere by Gordon Duff, it sent shock-waves around the World.

This keynote speech was the first public declaration ever that Israel is linked to a very large Worldwide Organized Crime Syndicate that uses staged, disguised, false-flag terror to attain its sinister political and economic goals.

Israel wants the whole World to think that Islamic religious extremism produces terrorism and is the main problem, when actually all Terrorism comes from Israeli religious extremism.

It is hard for the World to understand that these violent acts of Israeli religious extremism because they are false-flag attacks disguised to be blamed on Islamics and because the Controlled Major Mass Media (CMMM) owned and controlled by six Israeli assets to continually broadcast and publish big lies, false-narratives and propaganda on behalf of Israel.

We now know for sure based on irrefutable, rock solid, smoking gun Intel that these very crafty False-Flag attacks by Israel all over the World are deployed on behalf of its overlord, the Rothschild Khazarian Mafia (KM) based in the City of London Financial District, a separate nation like the Vatican.

And not only was this historic declaration by Gordon Duff fully accepted because it makes complete sense and explains and clarifies much and supports what many top Intel Officials all over the World have long suspected, it sent immediate shock-waves around the World to every major World Leader and every major Intelligence Agency.

Because we now know for sure that Israel nuked America on 9-11-01 and can prove it in any honest court of law, a US or a World Court, this means that Mideast Islamics had nothing to do with it at all.


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The September 11, 2001 Attacks
Like many buildings built in the 1970s, the twin towers were constructed with vast quantities of cancer-causing asbestos. The cost of removing the Twin Tower asbestos? A year's worth of revenues at a minimum; possibly as much as the value of the buildings themselves. The cost to disassemble the Twin Towers floor by floor would have run into the double-digit billions. In addition, the Port Authority was prohibited from demolishing the towers because the resulting asbestos dust would cover the entire city, which it did when they collapsed, resulting in many cancers with a confirmed link to the WTC dust._Despite its questionable status, in January of 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the World Trade Center. On July 24, the Port Authority accepted the offer. Silverstein then took out an insurance policy that, understandably, covered terrorist attacks, which happened seven weeks later. To date, Silverstein has been awarded almost $5 billion from nine different insurance companies. What was an asbestos nightmare turned into a $1.8 billion profit within seven weeks.

Donald Rumsfeld said about the Pentagon on the morning of September 10, 2001: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." That bombshell was pretty much forgotten by the next morning. So, as a reward for losing $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in America, taxpayers patriotically forked over another $370 billion and counting to invade Iraq. True to form, the Pentagon promptly lost $9 billion of that money, too.

Eight days after the attacks, the 342-page Patriot Act was given to Congress. That same week, letters armed with anthrax from a US military lab entered the mail. Subsequently, while Congressional offices were evacuated, examined, cleaned and nasal cavities swabbed, the Patriot Act remained largely unread. Then, with little debate, the Patriot Act became law, giving the Bush administration unprecedented power to access people's medical records, tax records, information about the books they bought or borrowed and the power to conduct secret residential searches without notifying owners that their homes had been searched.

In early 2001, executives from Shell, BP, and Exxon met with Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force while it was developing its new national energy policy. Later, the companies freely admitted interest in profiting from Iraq's oil fields, even before the US invaded Iraq. And now? A new Iraq hydrocarbon law expected to pass in March 2007 will open the door for international investors, led by BP, Exxon and Shell, to siphon off 75 percent of Iraq oil wealth for the next thirty years.

According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze Star recipient with 22 years of experience in intelligence operations, a classified intelligence program codenamed Able Danger had uncovered two of the three 9/11 terrorist cells a year before the attacks and had identified four of the hijackers. Shaffer alerted the FBI in September of 2000, but the meetings he tried to set up with bureau officials were repeatedly blocked by military lawyers. Four credible witnesses have come forward to verify Shaffer's claims. _In August 2001, a Pan Am International Flight Academy instructor warned the FBI that a student (Zacarias Moussaoui) might use a commercial plane loaded with fuel as a weapon.

The instructor asked "Do you realize that a 747 loaded with fuel can be used as a bomb?" Moussaoui was then arrested on immigration charges, but despite the repeated urging of the school and local agents, FBI headquarters refused a deeper investigation. The US also received dozens of detailed warnings (names, locations, dates) from the intelligence agencies of Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Egypt, Jordan, India, Argentina, Morocco, Russia, Israel, France and even the Taliban. It would seem that the entire world was onto the bungling Saudi hijackers and somewhat perplexed that the US wasn't taking preventative actions. But in each case the US, as if by design, chose not to investigate. Instead. Condoleezza Rice, on May 16, 2002, stated: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon."_We also know that on the morning of 9/11, multiple Air Force war games and drills were in progress. The hijackers would have never made it to their targets without these war games: Operation Northern Vigilance ensured that many jet fighters that would have normally been patrolling the east coast were flying over Alaska and northern Canada in a drill that simulated a Russian air attack, complete with false radar blips. _Remarkably, operation Vigilant Guardian simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector, while real hijackers were in the same airspace. This drill had NORAD and the Air Force reacting to false blips on FAA radar screens. Some of these blips corresponded to real military aircraft in the air posing as hijacked aircraft. That's why when NORAD's airborne control officer, Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, heard Boston claim it had a hijacked airliner, her first words were, "It must be part of the exercise."

Changing colours

If you follow the money, you can see that the people with the most to gain occupied the key military and civilian positions to help 9/11 happen, as well as to cover up the crime. Such is the hallmark of false flag operations throughout history. But the incredible scale of the 9/11 sham, and the sheer number of people who still refuse to see the mountain of truth in front of their eyes...that's what makes the September 11, 2001 attacks the greatest false flag operation of all time._Hermann Göring stated: "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."_Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, a book still forbidden in some countries (such as France), wrote: "In the size of the lie there is always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people...will more easily fall victim to a great lie than to a small one."

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volgin wrote:
Jews did 9/11 amirite guise they run the world.


Srsly. Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams!!1!
I bet the Jews stole all the debris cuz it was gone so fast after the 'attack'.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banshee wrote:
One big coincidence...  and some of your data not making any sense at all. I mean, why CIA would be interested in 'ordering' a huge Boeing to destroy their own office where several of their own staff were working...

Do you know how many obsoleted or end-of-life (flight time + flex stress limits) airframes are sitting in various deserts in the midwest? What makes you think they had to "buy" anything? An old jet with a lick of paint and some Raytheon (or Israeli) supplied drone control hardware...

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... on an information that was already on CIA's system (and that information was not wiped in that event, I mean... CIA certainly has backups). There are other ways to stop certain investigations, which is a way cheaper than humiliating the whole organization, destroying part of its structure and at least killing 184 of their own staff.

I was hoping you'd bring up this point! Just because they have backups doesn't mean they would let auditors know that does it?

Although we already know officially that the Pentagon had a myriad of old VAX, DEC Alpha, IBM AS/400 etc machines that couldn't talk to each other, where many files were stored as data on various obsolete tape formats too. I actually find this explanation fairly plausible, except that they should have had entire depts devoted to transferring the most important data to new systems.

The people in the Pentagon on that day in that wing were specifically tasked with bridging that data gap, collating all the data from disparate systems, and they all conveniently died. The list of "records" also disappeared with them, despite your rational assertion they had backups of those too.

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Also, it is worth mentioning that terrorist attacks of this kind doesn't stop economical crisis... and there were no terrorist attacks executed in 2008 that could stop the whole crisis that happened in USA at that time.

You forgot to ask the key question: what purpose does the Pentagon (and even NATO) serve when there's no enemy state who can attack you, let alone wants to attack you? The Pentagon and the entire military contractor network depends on war for its existence, if there's no war, why buy war toys? I won't make any Dr. Strangelove references Smile

The Cold War had ended, Russia was broke, the union collapsed, there was literally no threat in the world that needed a conventional army to face down. So, like all military psychos, they invented a reason.

The Pentagon/DoD exists as an extortion racket, to enrich the contractors, and the politicians who vote for war by kickback.

Even a 5-yr old can piece it together...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RP wrote:
I bet the Jews stole all the debris cuz it was gone so fast after the 'attack'.
No it was shipped to China, without even an investigation...

Anyway, you and Mr. V are just changing the topic here, this was supposed to be a cultural/ethical discussion, not debunking decades of coverups.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no cultural or ethical discussion in this topic at all. There is a bunch of non-sense conspiration bull crap in this topic, saying that airplanes full of american citizens (including jews, yea!) were sent to explode buildings that were already full of explosives (who wouldn't guess that? Ah... a 5 years old kid would, of course Laughing) to blow up thousands of americans, dollars and military officials because they want to create more war to increase funding on CIA/NSA.... which is commanded by a bunch of jews who wanna control the world, the media and everything else, of course.

Nope, sorry, it doesn't make any sense at all. It's obscenely pathetic.

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See you're doing it again, you're mixing the official story with the criticism and coming up with a completely untenable scenario.

There is no reason to think there were any passengers on the jets that hit the WTC, except that they looked like passenger jets, and we are told they are passenger jets. So of course if you start from the premise that there were passengers, it doesn't make sense why they would crash them deliberately.

Just like the "burnt offerings" story tells us that Jews were gassed in showers, even though none of them could have lived to give first hand accounts of it. Also the official story says the Nazis removed the equipment and piping involved in the gassing days before the camps were liberated. So the eye witnesses don't exist, and the supposed equipment doesn't exist. If you believe people were gassed, then these two facts are in conflict, and nothing makes sense.

We know the WTC buildings were the first modern highrise buildings to have collapsed due to fire, that alone merits some additional scrutiny. Unlike a plane crash investigation (use the MH17 jet as an example) where everything down to the tiniest detail is saved and reconstructed as best as possible, something that can take years, the WTC debris was carted off to China and disposed of within about 2 weeks.

There are simple murder investigations that take longer than that, and here we have 2 plane crashes, and thousands of dead, with a 2 week scene investigation only? The fact that 2 buildings struck by airplanes AND a third unrelated building not struck all collapsed nicely into their footprint, is not the slightest big unusual? Don't tell me that doesn't ring alarm bells for you?

We already know "Jews" run the legal/news/movies/porn industries almost exclusively, they have names, they have business records, they aren't hiding this fact. At best many of them have changed their names to sound more American or more exotic, no one is persecuting them. We also know the majority are flaming Zionists, many of them openly admit it, most prove it at Zionist meetings like the AIPAC summits. No national secret here...

I honestly don't get why you keep holding back like you do, it's like you make the connection, then short-circuit by including something spurious...?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominant_Hunter (lol): Hey, smartypants, are you an engineer? if so, please explain to us proles why, exactly, the twin towers were destroyed by bombs inside, or thermite, or tiberium, whatever the real reason is because apparently the planes didn't do it.


G-E: OK, so let's pretend that all of these people are in on it. How on earth do all of these people plot, execute, then shut up about this gigantic project which took thousands of lives. All of this while risking their necks and hoping that they aren't outed by somebody with the truth. How does this work? Why aren't there people stepping forward to confess involvement?
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G-E: OK, so let's pretend that all of these people are in on it. How on earth do all of these people plot, execute, then shut up about this gigantic project which took thousands of lives. All of this while risking their necks and hoping that they aren't outed by somebody with the truth. How does this work? Why aren't there people stepping forward to confess involvement?


Well that has a simple answer: they were all Jews.
Jews did the 9/11, they would never betray their own kin so there's your answer.

In all honesty. I'm not sure if you are serious or joking, but I do believe more happened that day then the American government is telling everybody.
I'm not saying it were Jews, flying saucers or whatever, but things are off.
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G-E: OK, so let's pretend that all of these people are in on it. How on earth do all of these people plot, execute, then shut up about this gigantic project which took thousands of lives. All of this while risking their necks and hoping that they aren't outed by somebody with the truth. How does this work? Why aren't there people stepping forward to confess involvement?

How many genuine whistleblowers do you know who get away with distributing state secrets? The only contemporary ones to escape "justice" aka revenge are Assange and Snowden.

How many times have you heard of military personnel being told to keep their mouth shut about some illegal act, or face court martial, being fired, or being transferred to a hell hole? This happened a lot after Vietnam, these days the "employers" snoop on their phones, watching everything they browse too, so no one dares.

If you're a spook or a contractor it's even worse, they just disappear you, there's no retirement option.

Seriously there's like 34009 movies that cover the subject of loyalty and punishment, they are all based on truths. We could even call them warnings...
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If you follow the "chemtrails" issue at all, you'll find that the govt and contractors hold hearings to discuss applications, there's hundred of patents filed, you have scientists openly talking about maybe one day trying it, just to see, you know....

Yet if you approach _anyone_ in a position to know or just investigate (like your local health/environment ministry) they will not respond. Generally not even a denial. If they have a reporting hotline or email, you can expect a whole lot of silence, regardless how much proof or data you provide.

You don't have to be psychic to know that they aren't telling you for a reason, and that reason ain't good.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to think some of the people posting in this thread were intelligent, then I read through it.
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Aro wrote:
I used to think some of the people posting in this thread were intelligent, then I read through it.


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See you're doing it again, you're mixing the official story with the criticism and coming up with a completely untenable scenario.


No, I'm mixing your story with criticism and showing how absurd it is.

These jets had real passengers. Lots of them. I don't know if you were a kid when this whole event happened, but I was not. I remember that there was an extra jet that was targeting the White House, but the passengers themselves managed to prevent it from reaching its destination sacrificing their lives. CIA would never target the White House, under no circumstances. Also, if you really watched these explosions from the jets at the WTC, you would notice that there was no bomb there. The buildings falled because their structure were affected and it couldn't support its own weight at some point.

And later on, I've even been personally to New York and visited the 9/11 memorial myself. Oh yea, I saw jewish names there...


G-E wrote:
You don't have to be psychic to know that they aren't telling you for a reason, and that reason ain't good.


The reason is bureaucracy. And that ain't good indeed.


G-E wrote:
We already know "Jews" run the legal/news/movies/porn industries almost exclusively


Nope, I don't know that at all. Walt Disney, Fox, Time-Warner does not belong to jews, nor are ran by them. Sony does not belong to jews either, although the president of Sony Entertainment Pictures might happen to be a jew at this moment. I don't know anything about the porn industry and I won't get into details on it in this forum. I hope you guys respect it. I wouldn't be surprised if there are many of the strongest companies may not belong to jews. In Brazil, the Globo organizations dominates the news and the movie market and they are not ran by jews at all.

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RP wrote:
Aro wrote:
I used to think some of the people posting in this thread were intelligent, then I read through it.


See what religion does to people?  Crying or Very sad


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This thread is approaching legendary status. Do you preserve it for future generations, or purge it from the internet to save precious brain cells? (those not already warped by the chem trails, all-consuming jewish power, fluoride, etc, etc)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These jets had real passengers. Lots of them. I don't know if you were a kid when this whole event happened, but I was not. I remember that there was an extra jet that was targeting the White House, but the passengers themselves managed to prevent it from reaching its destination sacrificing their lives. CIA would never target the White House, under no circumstances. Also, if you really watched these explosions from the jets at the WTC, you would notice that there was no bomb there. The buildings falled because their structure were affected and it couldn't support its own weight at some point.

And later on, I've even been personally to New York and visited the 9/11 memorial myself. Oh yea, I saw jewish names there...

I visited the WTC a year before it was blown up, I was on IRC when the first plane hit and knew immediately.

You say there were many people, did you see the people on the plane? I didn't. You saw breathless commentary and blurry video of smoke from the towers, like me. Then you saw a second aircraft hitting the other one. Neither of us saw tail numbers, and neither of us saw passengers.

Do you remember the official 9/11 report that said everything was pulverized, and in most cases they were able to recover nothing more than a toe bone of a victim? They told us that one of the hijacker passports was found on the sidewalk after gently floating to the ground, but that all the hijackers died. They told us many things, they didn't show us anything except smoke.

They told us that at a time when cellphones were banned on flights, that passengers made all sorts of calls to loved ones, even from the second plane. Meanwhile people on the ground were unable to make phone calls because too many people were using the networks, and they were all overloaded.

You are assuming facts are in evidence as they say legally, when they are certainly not.
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And you assume all conspiration theories as possible even if none of them has proven anything either and are based on absurd ideas. And so what? We are even.

And honestly, those Boeings were all comercial flights from American Airlines and United Airlines. I don't think these companies would send empty Boeings to destroy important buildings from the country such as the Pentagon. These Boeings cannot flight only with terrorists. They are not used in that way, nor designed to be used that way. It is not commercialy viable for an airline to dispose 2 Boeings like that, not to mention the insurance costs involved. American Airlines usually do overbooking even if it is forbidden by their own laws (I deeply recommend you to not flight with them). Do not expect them to fly empty. And finally, a bunch of people use cell phones in flights, regardless of all warnings that we receive to shut down mobile phones.

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Exactly, terrorists couldn't fly those planes! See you're soooo close! Smile

I wouldn't expect a _real_ flight to fly empty, but these weren't your typical flights. So yes, if they were genuinely hijacked, they would be nearly full, but if they weren't legitimately hijacked, then they were empty. There's no paradox here.

Yes I'm aware we are _told_ those jets were commercial flights, but we can't be sure that's what we saw, transponders can be faked, fooling most air traffic controls. In fact it's been a common tactic of the military to spoof commercial airlines. Likewise I've looked at every piece of footage I could find over the years, and can't see a single legible marking that proved those jets were in fact the specific aircraft.

Then the military was asked to release radar plots, they refused claiming that they only look at "external" threats. Later, quietly the military did release only doctored plots, which disagreed with the civilian radar stations close to New York city. I might remind you we're talking about the military that spends the most money in the world, the one that can track 50k pieces of space junk down to 10cm long, and can read license plates from space.

I understand if you are skeptical about their intention, but not their ability. If they were aware of the hijackings, even suspected, they could have maneuvered 3 satellites into position and tracked everything in high resolution. This isn't a failure of Cheney to tell some lackey to warn some General, this would be a monumental failure of absolutely every single military and civilian apparatus in the entire USA, and that's plausible to you? To me it's like listening to Hillary saying she didn't know her emails were classified...

It's actually the same story with the Russian jet being shot down in Sinai, they say "we saw a flash" but then refuse to publish any actual photos. Either they are lying about the flash, or they are lying about the photos, there can't be any other possibility. Same with the Malaysian jet in Ukraine, "the separatists did it with a Russian missile!" and still no photos. They know we are gullible, they know they control the media, they aren't even trying anymore.
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Wow. I thought G-E couldn't get any stupider. I was wrong.

Tool to the extreme. He and his fuckbuddy D_H. Seriously. Go suck each others dicks somewhere and leave the rest us out of your crazy train.
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Back to the topic...




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lol, Furry, you useless ztyping degenerate. Go play dress up with your brony pals, or not. Actually please don't.

G-E's my main bitch, hahah, hes my bottom bitch. Nah, just kidding. I don't pimp.

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Shucks that no one read the articles, the previous articles, and didn't check anything, didn't bother at all to look up all the names and places and dates.

Meh. To be expected.

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We are slaves. Just trying to give yah reasons as to who, what, where, when, why and how.

Thats right.... go ahead and not respond. Go ahead and NOT REFUTE ANYTHING.  It shows alot.

PEOPLE! WAKE UP! Stop being slaves, or at least destroy everything I've presented. You've yet to lift a finger. Volgin sneezed and thats about it.

Aro? Why don't you give it a shot?

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Dominant_Hunter (lol): Hey, smartypants, are you an engineer? if so, please explain to us proles why, exactly, the twin towers were destroyed by bombs inside.


Well you didn't read the previous articles you lazy bastard, but here:

Now THIS IS ON TOPIC. He asked a question and I'm answering it. If you tl;dr, than your a pussy. If you really want to prove it all wrong, go ahead and refute it, piece by piece.

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The catastrophic destruction of the World Trade Center complex is said by government reports to have resulted from structural failure due mainly to fires initiated by the impacts of the airplanes. A closer look at the evidence reveals a much more disturbing crime.

Apart from the fact that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fire prior to or since Sept. 11, the manner in which the buildings came down is itself a substantial cause for re-investigation. A collapse due to fire would likely proceed gradually with large deformations visible in the building’s perimeter, with the building tipping over slowly in the direction of the steadily weakening structural members – to the path of least resistance.

Yet the Twin Towers both came down quite suddenly, without warning, and without any “jolts” that would indicate the upper mass impacting the lower mass. The smooth rate of descent was measured at 2/3 of free-fall. In other words, the building was accelerating (traveling faster and faster second by second) straight down through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – the 80,000 tons of structural steel below that was at least five times stronger than necessary to resist this load. Physicists and other experts agree that this could have happened only if the underlying supporting structures were removed ahead of the falling upper building mass. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) acknowledges that each building was destroyed in fewer than a dozen seconds, and that they “came down essentially in free-fall”.


http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/345-twin-towers-evidence-blows-away-fire-theory.html

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All of you put your half assed programed response about Jews running the world (I have never said that before, I keep telling you, its NOT jews. Again, read thee previous ztyping articles, lazy bones) to rest, and focus SOLELY, on how buildings collapse. 9/11 has got to be the most lazy false flag event in history.

There are only two events known to cause ground-hugging pyroclastic flows: A volcanic eruption, and a thermo nuclear detonation




On the morning of September 11, 2001, we were told a fairy tale.

That wide body jets flew into the twin towers and completely destroyed them. Let me repeat that: Passenger planes (large hollow aluminum tubes) flew into industrial steel, marble and concrete sky scrapers, and caused them to turn into a pile of dust. And the worst part about this fairy tale is that we, the American people believed it.

Now, many years later, it’s time to wake up from your slumber and take a good hard look at what did and did not happen on that fateful day. You can go back to sleep after this though.

The conventional explanation we were provided, by government and media, for a top-down highly destructive gravitational collapse, in near-free-fall times, is physically impossible, and is thus about as worthy of discussion as is the belief that the Earth is flat.

FICTION: Passenger jets flew into the Twin Towers, and the burning jet fuel caused them to collapse.
   
FACT: The Twin Towers did not collapse. They suffered a mid-air pulverization due to an extreme unconventional energy source that caused the initial upward trajectory of so much of the towers’ mass during the ‘collapses’ as (supposedly only) gravity was pulling them down.
   
FICTION: The burning jet fuel melted all of the steel beams causing the buildings to collapse directly onto their own footprint.

FACT: 80% of each of the towers 50 million ton mass NEVER hit the ground. The steel did not melt, but turned into nano-dust. Pulverization + Molecular Dissociation = Ground Zero Evidence. When matter is elevated to temperatures hotter than the surface of the Sun, molecular dissociation results.

Molecular Dissociation (MD) is easy to understand once we realize that there are four (4) states of matter: solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. Just as ice has trouble surviving in water or steam, molecules have trouble surviving in plasma, which is highly energetic (ie, extremely hot). When molecules dissociate, they leave behind loose atoms and fragments of molecules.

In other words, extremely small particles. In this sense, it is correct to think of molecular dissociation as disintegration.




What do these two pictures have in common? They both represent a highly unconventional destructive release of energy, with temperatures much hotter than the sun.

So once we confirm evidence of widespread molecular dissociation having occurred at Ground Zero in New York City, we have a very strong indication that only exotic, unconventional weaponry could have released that much extremely - unimaginably - high intensity energy which suddenly appeared just as the towers disintegrated from top to bottom.

This understanding means we cannot blame the highly unconventional Ground Zero devastation on thermite/thermate/super thermate and “controlled demolition” any more than we can blame it on “jet fuel” or “box cutters”.

In a “pancake collapse” the rubble pile should be at least 1/8 of the original building height (12.5%). The actual rubble pile was no more than 2% of the original building height. Both towers went “poof.”

So where did these 110 story tall 50 million ton sky scrapers go?



They were turned into nano-dust and 80% of the “dust” floated off into the atmosphere.


From left to right: A huge steel beam from the south tower falters, turns to “dust” and blows away.

Now that we’ve scientifically proven that only exotic, unconventional weaponry could have released that much extremely - unimaginably - high intensity energy to cause the pulverization and molecular dissociation of these buildings, let’s look at some of the other unexplainable anomalies.



All of these cars have unexplainable similar damage: Paint gone, instant rusting, and all of their door handles and engine blocks are missing!

A squad car on FDR drive with wilted doors, burned paint, instant rust and no door handles or engine block.



Strange fires appear to be attracted to the engine blocks, while the gas tanks and nearby paper are not affected.

Buildings a few blocks away, had mysterious holes in the windows, and the front marble façade is completely gone, but no other damage.



Why doesn’t the paper burn?



For months we witnessed trucks coming and going from Ground Zero and the media told us they were hauling away the steel.

- What steel? There was very little steel left in the rubble because it had been pulverized into nano-dust.

- So what were these trucks really hauling back and forth? Dirt! They hauled in dirt, spread it all over Ground Zero, then scooped it up and hauled it away, and this went on for years.

- Didn’t they do that at Chernobyl? Yes they did!

So now you know what didn’t cause the buildings to “vanish.” Planes, jet fuel and thermite are irrelevant.



So,

- What kind of unconventional energy could have caused the Twin Towers to turn to dust?
- A fissionless fusion thermo nuclear event?
- Direct Energy Weapons?
- HAARP?
- A scaled up weaponized version of The Hutchison Effect?

The investigation continues…

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Volgin:
PART TWO

The Current Irrefutable Conclusion:

- Treason
- Murder and Crimes Against Humanity for 9-11
- The Iraq War
- Revocation of Constitutional Rights of US Citizens

All US ‘representatives’ appropriate US citizens, and non citizens, need to be on trial in Constitutional Courts.



The Current ‘Basic’ Proven 9-11 Nuke Evidence - (About 95 to 98% of the TOTAL evidence covered).

All proven basic physics/chemistry ANY high school graduate should understand after the basic courses:

- Three Massive WTC Craters. See us government LIDAR proof: - Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and this particular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://letsrollforums.com/update-us-government-s-t22024.html?t=22024

- Five Acres (1.2 Billion Pounds = Weight of Residue of 3 WTC Buildings - WTC 1, 2, and 6) of WTC Land Brought to Seering Temperatures in a Few Hours by an ‘Anaerobic, Chlorine Fueled “Fire”. Impossible by Basic Laws of Physics. See us gov Thermal Images proof - Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and this particular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://letsrollforums.com/update-us-government-s-t22024.html?t=22024

- Tritium Levels 55 Times (normal) Background Levels assessed a numerical value of ‘traces’ and ‘of no human concern’. See us government (DOE report) proof: - Nothing but a NUCLEAR EVENT can cause ‘tritium’ formation - basic physics fact - Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and this particular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EdWard-MD/message/141

- An Impossible “Fire” (Combustion Process). See Laws of Physics for Fire/Combustion Process and Dr. Cahill’s data on ‘anaerobic incineration’. Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and thisparticular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://www.rense.com/general77/newlaws.htm

- 3 Billion pounds of building instantly turned into 2 Billion pounds of micronized dust. Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and this particular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/ed_ward/use_of_abombs.htm

- 16 inch steel Spires that withstood 1/2 a Billion pounds of building falling on them and suddenly turn into limp noodles and partially vaporize. Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and this particular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://letsrollforums.com/update-us-government-s-t22024.html?t=22024

- Hiroshima effect cancers in responders and locals.Nothing else known to man can leave ALL the WTC debris and this particular evidence in the length of time needed , except a third generation Micro Nuke - Mini Nuke - Nuke. It’s 100% classic textbook nuclear event residue - ZERO ANOMALIES. http://letsrollforums.com/update-us-government-s-t22024.html?t=22024

All of the above are facts are proven with referenced links of reputable data sources - many are from the government itself and more…

Mini Nukes Were Used on 9-11 http://www.henrymakow.com/mini-nukes_were_used_on_9-11.html

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Mini Nukes at the WTC - 9-11 The Fetzer/Ward: Conversations on Mini Nukes in/on WTC/9-11 - 1 hour http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2010/02/dr-ed-ward-md.html

Eventually, we get to the WTC, Thermite BS - S. Jones, Micro Nukes/ Mini Nukes in the WTC, Truck Bombs - crater = mini nuke, history of mini nukes, reg demo… needed to cover for nukes & nukes to remove the demo evidence, why 5 nukes needed to fit all the evidence, ALL, 100% of the evidence = nuke; 0, NADA, NO, ANOMALIES; DEW = Wood’s BS… It’s not me, It’s physics.

When 20 = Normal, How does 1,092 = “Traces”, Listen Do Want to Know a Secret… Listen - Cancers explained, Tritium explained - Half life = 10 days, craters explained, 1 billion pounds (coincidently the approximate mass of residue of the 3 buildings - basic physics - heat transfer and residual heat) of dirt 1800 degrees MINIMUM.

The Nuke evidence - partial but still large, I apologize to Fetzer over not revealing Mini Nukes facts - still have concerns; as for our ex navy seal who more than likely had training/basics of SADM deployment, but definitely got some demo training, yet doesn’t understand the ‘science’?, Richard Gage addressed
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All Davy Crockett kilotonage quotes during the above should have been quoted as 0.018 kilotons, not .18, 18, etc - all incorrect numbers = 0.018 kilotons http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2010/02/dr-ed-ward-md.html

Setting the Record Straight on Mini Nukes in the WTC/9-11 http://www.rense.com/general91/setting.htm

Mini Nukes Were Used on 9-11 http://www.henrymakow.com/mini-nukes_were_used_on_9-11.html

I did a program with Bill Deagle - not online yet - about the only thing discussed that hasn’t been already been explained:

‘Swiss Cheese’ Steel = Extremely High Concentrations of Chlorine + Very High Temperatures = Classic Oxidation/Reduction Reaction = Steel undergoing MASSIVE oxidation by chlorine. wherever exposed to WTC pile atmosphere.

The Root

Zionism = The Worst Plague in the History of Mankind http://www.rense.com/general88/zzz.htm

The Remedy/Rectification

Return to the Original Intent Interpretation of the Constitution.

America’s Only Real Choice: Constitution or Tyranny? http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/11/19/ward.htm

The US Is “a Distorted, Bastardized Form of Illegitimate Government.” http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/09/10/ward.htm

100% Accurate/Verifiable Voting - FIXED VOTE = NO VOTE. Note - There is no need to sign the petition, just read the information contained and hopefully, act upon it. BTW - The perfect cheap FIXED VOTE yard sign - After the next sham election, grab a few old yard signs that are being discarded after the election.

Pick up a nice STANDOUT color paint (not a background color) for ‘your new political sign’ from ‘home of the pot’ - since it’s so cheap - I’m thinking FLUORESCENT - Paint/Spray - FIXED VOTE = NO VOTE! across it as big as signage will allow, put a word each on a few signs, however you want to do it - just make sure you make it known the vote is fixed and you aren’t voting until there is a candidate who’s main platform consists of ‘verified voting’ and original intent interpretation of the Constitution being followed completely.

Voting only helps the sham/crime succeed. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/FIXEDVOTE

It Can’t Happen Here Dorothy?

Take a look at ‘Operation Northwoods’. The Basic Start a War by murder and treason - CIA Basic Operation Plan - 911/Cuba http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/10/15/ward.htm

The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis, by Bill Moyers http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430#

German High Court Outlaws Electronic Voting - Wednesday, 21 October 2009, 9:45 am http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0910/S00187.htm

Proofs of a Conspiracy against all Nations/Religions - Published in 1793 as the Zionist cults were forming here in US. http://www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm

Too many to list with credit, USS Liberty, Torture, Rendition, Gulf of Tonkin, WW II attack known, Agent Orange, DU, Nuke Testing spread radiation throughout US, CIA has murdered millions in foreign countries over the decades - that list alone would need a top 100, the PROVEN death and destruction list over time is MASSIVE. Zionism has ruled mankind from the beginning and it’s never been stopped - the ‘MORE EQUALS’ continue to rule…

You have no Saviors - Only Yourself.

So What Are You Going To Do?


^^ Last few are quotes from by Dr. Ed Ward, MD, he did a thing on Pak Alert Press a bit back ago.

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So, if you did read all of this, you'll notice how it addresses everything that G-E brought up when he started this thread, and addresses everything anyone else here has said.

Now have a drink, smoke a spliff, snort a rail, ztype a bitch and go back to work tomorrow. Your country needs you, hahahaha.  #Mischievous

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Exactly, terrorists couldn't fly those planes! See you're soooo close! Smile


Nope, we are very far away from each other, with all due respect. Terrorists could hijack their airplanes and they either did it or they've infiltrated in these airlines. This operation was studied for a very long time. The date was chosen in purpose. I don't know the details, but I am still very sure that it doesn't make any sense the american govern, CIA or Mossad to order such atrocity.

It is important to mention that these spying agencies are also subject to commit mistakes and not be aware of everything that happens in the world. Considering that you've visited USA at least once, you may have noticed that once you pass the Homeland Security officers, the population seems to relaxed regarding trusting that the actions of the people around them won't harm them unless they hear a gun shot. It's not the same trust that you may experience in Canada, but as someone who lives in third world city like Rio de Janeiro, it is a kind of behavior that positively calls my attention, because here we do not hold the same kind of trust for the people around us, due to robbery and car accidents.

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I don't know the details, but I am still very sure that it doesn't make any sense the american govern, CIA or Mossad to order such atrocity.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS! THEN WHAT THE ztype ARE YOU DOING HERE?

You don't believe in such atrocities because you don't know the details. This is the number one problem.

So, why did they want to smack down the towers? To start another war, dummy! War's garner profits to the ones who control the money. Its very simple.

http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/10/15/ward.htm

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Take a look at 'Operation Northwoods'. Where the Joint Chiefs of Staff planned a similar operation to what unfolded with 911. What a coincidental date. The date is the number called for help from this government. It has to be seen to be believed. This is NOT THEORY. This is FACT. It was planned by this government and had been held 'Top Secret' by this government for 40 years. Attributed to some as the Kennedy Staff. It was Eisenhower's Joint Chiefs of Staff. Kennedy assassinated (also made 'Top Secret' by the same government) by an individual with CIA background shortly after Kennedy put a stop to this Chiefs of Staff Plot. No theory here. JUST FACTS. The Chiefs go into great detail about how this tyranny and treachery was to unfold. It shows how this government thinks. It shows how this government covers up it's tyranny and treachery.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/05/israel-nuked-america-on-9-11-01-shout-it-from-the-rooftops-part-ii/


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When this truth about what Terrorism actually is, was first publicly declared anywhere by Gordon Duff, it sent shock-waves around the World.

This keynote speech was the first public declaration ever that Israel is linked to a very large Worldwide Organized Crime Syndicate that uses staged, disguised, false-flag terror to attain its sinister political and economic goals.

Israel wants the whole World to think that Islamic religious extremism produces terrorism and is the main problem, when actually all Terrorism comes from Israeli religious extremism.

It is hard for the World to understand that these violent acts of Israeli religious extremism because they are false-flag attacks disguised to be blamed on Islamics and because the Controlled Major Mass Media (CMMM) owned and controlled by six Israeli assets to continually broadcast and publish big lies, false-narratives and propaganda on behalf of Israel.

We now know for sure based on irrefutable, rock solid, smoking gun Intel that these very crafty False-Flag attacks by Israel all over the World are deployed on behalf of its overlord, the Rothschild Khazarian Mafia (KM) based in the City of London Financial District, a separate nation like the Vatican.

And not only was this historic declaration by Gordon Duff fully accepted because it makes complete sense and explains and clarifies much and supports what many top Intel Officials all over the World have long suspected, it sent immediate shock-waves around the World to every major World Leader and every major Intelligence Agency.

Because we now know for sure that Israel nuked America on 9-11-01 and can prove it in any honest court of law, a US or a World Court, this means that Mideast Islamics had nothing to do with it at all.


Now before you fools spout some "Oh, he hates jews" bullshit, shut the ztype up. I never said that! My articles never say that. This is about the illegal state of Israel and co. Zionists

Re Read every single post of mine in this thread, and my last posts on the last two pages of the ISIS in a Mod thread, and you'll (hopefully) get it.

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This is exactly why I expect more cynicism and skepticism about the official story from you. I know Rio isn't exactly a paragon of honesty and justice, and you know how often corruption leads to wars between factions of special interests.

The Pentagon is run like any corrupt organization, I'm with you there, they waste money, embezzle, overcharge, defraud the govt etc. All bad things. Except they are also in the business of war, they need to manufacture enemies, unlike a normal corporation. They already have a monopoly, there's nothing else they can achieve except siphoning even more money out of tax payers.

Operation Gladio and Gladio B, was the defense industry's saviour to a world without war. It also happened to be a very convenient tool to overthrow any govt that resisted the typical exploitative agreements America demands. Gladio became an extra layer of imperialism, not exactly war, not exactly politics, and crucially, plausible deniability.

Read the Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins also, because the economic hitmen have largely been displaced by terrorists, but they still operate. There are layers and layers, all of them obvious if you really look. Military adventures are the last rung in the ladder.

The important point about 9/11 is not what happened, but what purpose it served. No one had an appetite for war, but everyone has an appetite for revenge... it's a human failing.

For the sake of vengeance, a country with no natural enemies, in a coalition of countries not in danger, cumulatively, deliberately, launched another 20 years of war.... and it's not over yet.
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Watch the last video I posted Banshee, the whole thing, there's some important tidbits at the end you don't want to miss too Smile
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Headlines from RT:

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A former Auschwitz guard has died only days before going on trial in Germany, Reuters reported. Ernst Tremmel, 93, was accused of being an accessory to the murder of more than 1,000 people, a court spokesman in the western town of Hanau near Frankfurt said on Thursday. Tremmel was a member of the Nazi SS guard team at the death camp in occupied Poland from November 1942 to June 1943. His trial was scheduled to begin on April 13. Two other men and one woman in their 90s are accused in Germany of being accessories to the murder of hundreds of thousands of people at the Auschwitz death camp.

Aww they couldn't convict him... or perhaps he couldn't give testimony contrary to the official story? This happens all too often when it comes to the big lie.

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Jean-Marie Le Pen fined for dismissing Nazi gas chamber

Jean-Marie Le Pen has been convicted of denying crimes against humanity for repeating that the Nazi gas chambers are a “detail” of World War II history, AP reports. A Paris court ruled on Wednesday that the founder and former head of France’s far-right National Front party must pay a €30,000 ($34,000) fine plus damages to three associations, plaintiffs in the case. Le Pen, 87, was convicted of the same offense in 2012 for claiming the Nazi occupation of France was not “particularly inhumane.” Decades ago, Le Pen was convicted for saying the gas chambers were a “detail” of WWII history, and he repeated the remark last year.

How on earth could a Nazi guard get any justice when the mere suggestion of Nazi treatment of prisoners being fairly mundane can get you fined in Europe.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS! THEN WHAT THE ztype ARE YOU DOING HERE?


Discussing the subject. You don't know the details either regardless of what you claim to know, so you have no reason to mock me for it. And yea, I will ignore all your posts, since you ignore mines since the day one, regardless of how much you quote them. It's not worth discussing anything with you.


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This is exactly why I expect more cynicism and skepticism about the official story from you. I know Rio isn't exactly a paragon of honesty and justice, and you know how often corruption leads to wars between factions of special interests.

The Pentagon is run like any corrupt organization, I'm with you there, they waste money, embezzle, overcharge, defraud the govt etc. All bad things. Except they are also in the business of war, they need to manufacture enemies, unlike a normal corporation. They already have a monopoly, there's nothing else they can achieve except siphoning even more money out of tax payers.


You seem to fail to understand one of the main objectives from almost any spying agency from USA (and from other countries as well, regardless of their religion): they seek to obtain economical advantages and advantages in negotiations with other countries. CIA/NSA/etc does not need to create wars to survive. And they wouldn't create a war that would give them extreme economical losses like the one in the 9/11 events and Afghanistan. There was nothing they could explore in Afghanistan. The war there only costed trillions of dollars for the american population, not to mention the other trillions of dollars lost with the 9/11 and its consequences in stock markets. But, before you talk about Iraq, Iraq was a different case. They indeed really wanted to control the petroleum there. But Afghanistan was not interesting for them at all. Destroying two of the most important economical buildings of the country and their own headquarters gives them no economical advantages, which is why it doesn't make any sense that they've planned the 9/11 events. And regarding the lame excuse to invade Iraq, even the media all around the world confirmed years later that they did not prove that Iraq had massive destruction weapons before invading it. Wikileaks had several details on Iraq's situation, but surprisingly, nothing on agents from the US govern planning the 9/11 attacks. Do you still wonder why did it happen? Don't you think that if there was anything about your conspiracy there, it wouldn't have been in the news? It would certainly be a shock for the american population, for sure. So, yes, I keep my opinion that the 9/11 events was indeed caused by external (non-US/Mossad/Mi-6/whatever agents).

Also, I don't think you should underestimate their enemies. Even with the end of the Cold War, they still have enemies (threats) today, such as ISIS, North Korea and even Russia. In a lower scale, there is also a dangerous and unpredictable China. CIA and NSA are certainly watching them.

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You seem to fail to understand one of the main objectives from almost any spying agency from USA (and from other countries as well, regardless of their religion): they seek to obtain economical advantages and advantages in negotiations with other countries. CIA/NSA/etc does not need to create wars to survive.

The mistake you make in this synopsis is that the Pentagram is entirely working on behalf of the American interests, much of what they do are black projects that serve only themselves, while other projects in totality support even darker agendas of people above the government.

The CIA for example has been destabilizing countries all over the world, and the State Dept. has been extorting nations for economic benefit, we all agree there. However, the CIA is also running drugs into America, for which the DEA is fighting a never ending war. The CIA and Pentagon and State Dept. are independently running guns and providing aid to political opposition groups around the world. They create opposition, and fight the opposition, it's a make-work project just as much as it is for political ends. This hypocrisy is very very well documented, don't believe me, go research.

In the Latin Americas, the "enemy" were always branded as "leftist radicals" or "communists", because they wanted to paint "right-wing" and "capitalist" as the _correct_ form of governance. In Europe the enemy is "Islamic extremists" or other meaningless names. It is a crime syndicate that has worldwide reach, and the "terrorism" is a tool to sway populations into supporting more economic apartheid. This is the failing of democratic countries, they have no immune system to these kinds of political tampering.... monarchs/dictators are more likely to resist, which is why they end up killed.

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And they wouldn't create a war that would give them extreme economical losses like the one in the 9/11 events and Afghanistan.

The TAX PAYER suffered extreme losses, the national debt ballooned, yes, we agree there. You miss the fact that the warmongers like the Bush family got very RICH from that kind of adventurism, as did a thousand defense contractors, with hundreds of thousands of employees in America. It's a racket remember? As long as the rich get richer, they love the destruction.

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There was nothing they could explore in Afghanistan.

Absolutely not true. Pipelines, rare earths, diamonds, opium... there were many things they could exploit Afghanistan for, but there were other negative reasons like cockblocking "enemy" pipelines in the region.

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The war there only costed trillions of dollars for the american population, not to mention the other trillions of dollars lost with the 9/11 and its consequences in stock markets.

Don't worry, they got bailed out with $700bn of direct cash infusions, which were promptly used to buy back their own stock and pay themselves massive bonuses. The Fed then bought nearly $1.8T of bad debts/derivatives off the American banking entities, plus loaned out another $7T in cash to foreign central banks to shore up their reserves (to prevent worldwide financial collapse)....

Did you hear any bankers complaining?

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Wikileaks had several details on Iraq's situation, but surprisingly, nothing on agents from the US govern planning the 9/11 attacks. Do you still wonder why did it happen? Don't you think that if there was anything about your conspiracy there, it wouldn't have been in the news? It would certainly be a shock for the american population, for sure. So, yes, I keep my opinion that the 9/11 events was indeed caused by external (non-US/Mossad/Mi-6/whatever agents).

It's well documented that Wikileaks never embarasses Israel, and we can surmise why, because Assange has admitted that he has cordial relations with Mossad. Why would this be? Well think about it, Mossad has access to all of America's dirty secrets, and can send Wikileaks filtered versions of anything they find politically expedient. Call it a kind of unspoken blackmail.

Maybe you think it's strange that Israel would bother blackmailing America, but actually it's about influencing policies, by embarrasing whoever is presiding at the moment, or some key decision maker, just a little nudge. Anyway, it's something the Americans regularly do with their media anyway, see Operation Mockingbird.

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Also, I don't think you should underestimate their enemies. Even with the end of the Cold War, they still have enemies (threats) today, such as ISIS, North Korea and even Russia. In a lower scale, there is also a dangerous and unpredictable China. CIA and NSA are certainly watching them.

Bullshit, China, Iran and Russia are no more imperialist than Brazil. They are purely an excuse to create the next tactical boogeyman to swindle the govt to spend even more money on militarism.

Have you noticed the rhetoric lately about nuclear terrorism? A huge summit was held to discuss plausible scenarios they say. No they are either scaremonger for more money, or soften the rest of us up for a NATO operation that explodes a dirty bomb somewhere. It also conveniently distracts from the fact that NATO is already using tactical nukes in battle.

One of the myths regarding nuclear bombs is that you need enriched uranium, which is absolutely not the case. The German nuclear research into the A-bomb was actually a sub-critical low-enrichment bomb. This technology required much less explosive, and much less fissile material than the Fatman and Littleboy bombs on Japan. The Americans confiscated and transferred all the patents to themselves illegally after the war, but of course the methods are well known to nuclear physicists around the world these days.

The only reasonable sources of nuclear material for dirty bombs comes from the stockpiles America, Israel, Germany, and Pakistan have. Mainly because Pakistan is politically unstable. Israel has never admitted to owning any officially, but whistleblowers have proven they have them, and the reactors France built for them are 3x the size they needed to be if they were just producing power...

There are also 30000 tons or so of nuclear waste scattered around the world, much of it would be perfectly adequate to make dirty bombs with. We can also draw a parallel to the gas chamber hoax here, because it's a really ineffective/inefficient way to kill people. Guns and real bombs work as well or better.

In Nagasaki, 90000 people or so died from the A-bomb, yet in one night of carpet bombing Dresden, 120000 people died. You tell me why we need nukes? BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARY.
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The CIA for example has been destabilizing countries all over the world, and the State Dept. has been extorting nations for economic benefit, we all agree there.


I have mixed feelings with the use of word "extorting" in this sentence. So, no I do not necessarily agree with what you wrote here.

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However, the CIA is also running drugs into America, for which the DEA is fighting a never ending war.


Not necessarily. They may eventually infiltrate agents in the drug dealing business to eventually catch its leaders or information on how to stop their business. Many governments do that, not just the CIA. The money usually stays with the criminal organization in order to not uncover their disguise.

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The CIA and Pentagon and State Dept. are independently running guns and providing aid to political opposition groups around the world. They create opposition, and fight the opposition, it's a make-work project just as much as it is for political ends. This hypocrisy is very very well documented, don't believe me, go research.


It is well documented, but it doesn't work like that. They provide aid/training/financial support to opposition groups around the world when they do not want to send their own soldiers to a certain place, like what they are doing in Syria right now and what they did with Osama Bin Laden against the soviets. These groups already exists, they are not created by US agents, and they may have a conflicting agenda with the US government. USA's influence hardly affects their agenda, which makes them constantly sponsor new Franksteins, from Al Qaeda to ISIS. You constantly underestimate people's ability to organize groups for a common goal. USA is not the only one who can do it.


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It is a crime syndicate that has worldwide reach, and the "terrorism" is a tool to sway populations into supporting more economic apartheid. This is the failing of democratic countries, they have no immune system to these kinds of political tampering.... monarchs/dictators are more likely to resist, which is why they end up killed.


This is where your Iluminati ideas gets completely out of the line. You overestimate their power and influence them completely. They are not 'Yuri'. They do not mind control people. They do not control the world. They may influence certain events or place some bets on regional forces that may have influence, but the world is a way more chaotic than you can imagine. These spying agencies have their limitations as well in terms of human resources and money.


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You miss the fact that the warmongers like the Bush family got very RICH from that kind of adventurism, as did a thousand defense contractors, with hundreds of thousands of employees in America.


And you miss the fact that employees from these spying agencies have families and friends in their own territory.. including at work.

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Pipelines, rare earths, diamonds, opium... there were many things they could exploit Afghanistan for, but there were other negative reasons like cockblocking "enemy" pipelines in the region.


Diamonds, really?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110222025837AA48s8w

I guess that sabotaging enemy pipelines and opium market would be their best motivation between the options you've presented. American industries cannot explore the commerce of opium and CIA does not commerce these things on their own. So, no, no economical advantages in this case.

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Did you hear any bankers complaining?


Bankers are usually not the ones who complains when the stock market is messed up. It is usually retired people, some businessmen, among those who really negotiate stocks. Banks only win.

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It's well documented that Wikileaks never embarasses Israel, and we can surmise why, because Assange has admitted that he has cordial relations with Mossad.


If it is documented in one of your crazy sources, I don't think so. Assange is 'jailed' in equator embassy in London for several years with no perspective of leaving it and no help from Mossad, so far. Unless Equator's has a spying agency called Mossad....


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Mossad has access to all of America's dirty secrets


How do you know that? As far as I know, NSA is part of an alliance called 'Five eyes', which includes spying agencies from USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Those really share intelligence information. I wouldn't be surprised if these agencies share data with Mossad, but Snowden did not revealed that yet.


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Bullshit, China, Iran and Russia are no more imperialist than Brazil


I did not say that these countries are more or less imperialists than Brazil. But the brazilian military power is a joke, specially when compared to China and Russia. I don't know about Iran's military force, although I don't think they are a threat to USA. Perhaps, they could be a threat to Israel, but not USA.

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The CIA for example has been destabilizing countries all over the world, and the State Dept. has been extorting nations for economic benefit, we all agree there.


I have mixed feelings with the use of word "extorting" in this sentence. So, no I do not necessarily agree with what you wrote here.

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However, the CIA is also running drugs into America, for which the DEA is fighting a never ending war.


Not necessarily. They may eventually infiltrate agents in the drug dealing business to eventually catch its leaders or information on how to stop their business. Many governments do that, not just the CIA. The money usually stays with the criminal organization in order to not uncover their disguise.

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The CIA and Pentagon and State Dept. are independently running guns and providing aid to political opposition groups around the world. They create opposition, and fight the opposition, it's a make-work project just as much as it is for political ends. This hypocrisy is very very well documented, don't believe me, go research.


It is well documented, but it doesn't work like that. They provide aid/training/financial support to opposition groups around the world when they do not want to send their own soldiers to a certain place, like what they are doing in Syria right now and what they did with Osama Bin Laden against the soviets. These groups already exists, they are not created by US agents, and they may have a conflicting agenda with the US government. USA's influence hardly affects their agenda, which makes them constantly sponsor new Franksteins, from Al Qaeda to ISIS. You constantly underestimate people's ability to organize groups for a common goal. USA is not the only one who can do it.


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It is a crime syndicate that has worldwide reach, and the "terrorism" is a tool to sway populations into supporting more economic apartheid. This is the failing of democratic countries, they have no immune system to these kinds of political tampering.... monarchs/dictators are more likely to resist, which is why they end up killed.


This is where your Iluminati ideas gets completely out of the line. You overestimate their power and influence them completely. They are not 'Yuri'. They do not mind control people. They do not control the world. They may influence certain events or place some bets on regional forces that may have influence, but the world is a way more chaotic than you can imagine. These spying agencies have their limitations as well in terms of human resources and money.


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You miss the fact that the warmongers like the Bush family got very RICH from that kind of adventurism, as did a thousand defense contractors, with hundreds of thousands of employees in America.


And you miss the fact that employees from these spying agencies have families and friends in their own territory.. including at work.

G-E wrote:
Pipelines, rare earths, diamonds, opium... there were many things they could exploit Afghanistan for, but there were other negative reasons like cockblocking "enemy" pipelines in the region.


Diamonds, really?
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110222025837AA48s8w

I guess that sabotaging enemy pipelines and opium market would be their best motivation between the options you've presented. American industries cannot explore the commerce of opium and CIA does not commerce these things on their own. So, no, no economical advantages in this case.

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Did you hear any bankers complaining?


Bankers are usually not the ones who complains when the stock market is messed up. It is usually retired people, some businessmen, among those who really negotiate stocks. Banks only win.

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It's well documented that Wikileaks never embarasses Israel, and we can surmise why, because Assange has admitted that he has cordial relations with Mossad.


If it is documented in one of your crazy sources, I don't think so. Assange is 'jailed' in equator embassy in London for several years with no perspective of leaving it and no help from Mossad, so far. Unless Equator's has a spying agency called Mossad....


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Mossad has access to all of America's dirty secrets


How do you know that? As far as I know, NSA is part of an alliance called 'Five eyes', which includes spying agencies from USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Those really share intelligence information. I wouldn't be surprised if these agencies share data with Mossad, but Snowden did not revealed that yet.


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Bullshit, China, Iran and Russia are no more imperialist than Brazil


I did not say that these countries are more or less imperialists than Brazil. But the brazilian military power is a joke, specially when compared to China and Russia. I don't know about Iran's military force, although I don't think they are a threat to USA. Perhaps, they could be a threat to Israel, but not USA.




Iran does not have capabilities to be dangerous to america, but they are absolutely a big player in the region, they have not the newest equipment, but they have absolute massive numbers. they are just like saudi arabia, keen on controlling the regional players because both are the mid east powerhouses.




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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS! THEN WHAT THE ztype ARE YOU DOING HERE?


Discussing the subject. You don't know the details either regardless of what you claim to know, so you have no reason to mock me for it. And yea, I will ignore all your posts, since you ignore mines since the day one, regardless of how much you quote them. It's not worth discussing anything with you.


I have plenty reason, buddy. You're literally ignoring everything I've presented this path month, whereas I have countered everything you've expressed with great conviction and back up.

You on the other hand have done little. You've spouted text book paragraphs. Well done.... Rolling Eyes

The fact that I am SQUEEZING all of your posts means that I am definitely NOT ignoring you.

Of course its worth discussing! You just can't grasp anything further. Right now you are stuck, hence your lack of comprehension, hence your lack of solid response to mine own.

You try to discuss this giant subject, but you lack so many finer details, you might as well retreat.

I quote you to make sure you realize that this is what you have said.

You said so yourself: you do NOT know the details... you told me and the rest of the forum goers this...

SO WHY DON'T YOU WORK ON THAT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, HUH? HUH!? WANNA START FIGURING THOSE DETAILS OUT ALREADY?  

I HAVE GIVEN YOU AND THE REST PLENTY OF DETAILS, BUT STILL YOU DO NOT REGISTER IT ALL.

I MOCK YOU AND THE REST BECAUSE YOU ARE SO DEAF DUMB AND BLIND, ITS LAUGHABLE.

But at least you try. Where as troll face volgin, and the weirdo brony, and the dummy soldier boy Team Black, and the lack-of-stars general, that dick lacking grey thing, plus all the other dumb nuts, have yet to even TRY to counter mine own.

You, Banshee, are the only one who has tried. Good job. But you've failed! You literally stated that you cannot understand any of this.

Therefore, I ask you: what the ztype are you doing trying to discuss this, if you haven't a clue?

I know the details, you fool. This is why I am here. I would not pester you and the rest of these simpletons, if I did NOT know the details. I can say that you mock my own posts, and you do. You dismiss them with utter disdain. You don't like what I have to say. You cannot refute what I have to say either...

Where as, you yourself have said, you do not know the details.... so... failure by omission. Wow.

If anything, I've pushed you and perhaps some others slightly, and that is reward enough.

I do not ignore your posts! Quite the contrary. I address them in full. But, you don't seem to have anything to say back, other than "please get away from me..."

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You and me are a slave. But I know it, and decree it. Where as you accept it by omission.

Well, good luck with that. Me and you are still gonna have a drink one of these days.
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Banshee, I understand it's hard to parse DH's commentary, but he's right that you seem to have hit a brick wall. We are both telling you to do your research and literally pointing you at the examples, something you should be better at then I am, since I walked out of high school.

When you mention things like the "five eyes", that's something I know about, I'm in one of the eyes, and I know many of the activities of CSEC/CSIS mirror their partners (MI5, NSA...) because they share technology. We also are perfectly aware that Canada has been caught spying on places like Brazil on behalf of the Americans. I wish we could extract ourselves from this shit, but we can't, they have us by the balls economically too, they just don't squeeze very often since we comply voluntarily.

Most of the arguments you're making now, are beginning to sound like when Luke is crying about the impossibility of Vader being daddy. Lots of negativity without substance.

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I guess that sabotaging enemy pipelines and opium market would be their best motivation between the options you've presented. American industries cannot explore the commerce of opium and CIA does not commerce these things on their own. So, no, no economical advantages in this case.

The Iraq war hasn't earned America or any of the "coalition" more money than they spent, on paper that looks like a loss. You need to stop thinking in terms of nations when it comes to western countries, corporations are able to fluidly move between jurisdictions, as do the puppetmasters (on paper) making them spiderwebs of interests. The one interest you can't exclude, which you have in a few posts now, is that the lowly American tax payer is no more important than some street vendor in Yemen.

Economic imperialism is reaching the end game. Other nations are starting to resist, and the debts at home have piled up too high. They have one gameplan left, and that's to rape their own people as quickly as possible, to keep the game going just a little longer. Then it will blow up, as all empires do.

I understand most people have trouble understanding debt-finance capitalism, no one teaches it contrasted with a moral basis. The teachers of capitalism paint a picture of freedom and perpetual wealth through the destruction of savings and value. This entire system benefits the few, by sucking the life out of everyone else, yet you absolutely can't accept that the Pentagon (with it's myriad of subcontractors) isn't sucking trillions out of Congress for it's own sake.

The brick wall is yours to break down Banshee, we're really trying to help, and you of all people shouldn't be blinded by American exceptionalism and patriotism, since you aren't one of them.

Hitler almost saved Europe from Communist left-wing (Jewish) radicals, and they castrated Germany for it. Hitler almost single-handedly drove the subversive Jewish ideologies out of Europe, and tried his best to make Europe Christian again. Today Germany is a "politically correct" feminist society that can't have honest intellectual conversation about history, lies, immigration, and the west's complicity in terrorism around the world, without someone going to jail for it.

Putin has saved Russia from the same people in modern times, but far more deftly. He kicked out the troublemakers called NGOs, he jailed the corrupt oligarchs, and brought Orthodox Christianity back into prominence. As an atheist, I'm not big on religion, but they are a helluvalot better than the Jewish option. Putin's administration has marginalized the depraved hypocrisy of the Jewish (Bolshevik) agitators that overthrew the Czar, and has emphasized honest intellectualism in politics and society. Hopefully the Germans pull their heads out of their asses and embrace Russia in time....

Please, don't make me accuse you of intellectual laziness, do your research, challenge your assumptions, and don't use answers.com or wikipedia.com as proof of anything.
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well.



ps did you know, bigfoot is a crypto jew?


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Banshee, I understand it's hard to parse DH's commentary, but he's right that you seem to have hit a brick wall. We are both telling you to do your research and literally pointing you at the examples


I do research, but I do not trust yours and his sources. You are pointing messed up examples from your own head, which is worse than the answer.com, because that answer.com person was actually there in Afghanistan to see what kind of diamonds they sell it with their own eyes.

His case is even worse. Take a look at this:
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/10/15/ward.htm

The guy uses a document that is no longer available (and there is no copy everywhere, of course) and he claims almost everything that interests him to be FACT without showing any other sources. Oh, Kennedy was assassinated by someone who was ordered by the CIA, because a chief of state of another president's whatever plot. And that before going to what he claims to be the real story. Honestly, I can't waste my time taking these things seriously.

Do you want another sample? Ok, let's see this: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/05/israel-nuked-america-on-9-11-01-shout-it-from-the-rooftops-part-ii/

The author uses the claims of his boss at the same site to say the FACT that Israeli's Spying Agency was responsible for the 911 events. His boss (Gordon Duff), however, has a serious vendetta against jews, zionists and Mossad, as clearly showed here and here. Independent media my bloody damn ass! These people have problems, this is what they have.


Oh and regarding the amazing explosion pictures from Dominic Hunter, guess what? Airplanes have fuel and they can easily cause huge explode when big airplanes shock with each others! You don't need to place bombs on both buildings to make these explosions and you don't need to be a genius to know that what I'm writing makes sense.

So, answer me, how do you expect me to take your so called research seriously? You are not enlightening me at all. You are just spreading your bull crap. That's all. There is no independent media anywhere. If you wanna know more about what really happens you need to research how the history around the actors that participate in the news, understand them, read news from several sources, understand how these sources express their ideas and what are their real intentions and finally you have to filter the bull crap, because there will always be bull crap, regardless of the source.





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We also are perfectly aware that Canada has been caught spying on places like Brazil on behalf of the Americans. I wish we could extract ourselves from this shit, but we can't, they have us by the balls economically too, they just don't squeeze very often since we comply voluntarily.


Guess what? I don't give a damn at all.

It is that simple. Countries do try to obtain information about other countries to get advantages in economy and negotiations. Naturally, Brazil is also spying on Canada. Maybe they are not filtering the contents of mobile phone conversations, but they could be doing other things... and guess what? I don't care either.


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The Iraq war hasn't earned America or any of the "coalition" more money than they spent, on paper that looks like a loss. You need to stop thinking in terms of nations when it comes to western countries, corporations are able to fluidly move between jurisdictions, as do the puppetmasters (on paper) making them spiderwebs of interests. The one interest you can't exclude, which you have in a few posts now, is that the lowly American tax payer is no more important than some street vendor in Yemen.


I am fully aware that these agencies have much more considerations for corporations than the american tax payer... and they still have more interest for american tax payer than the Yemen street vendor, for sure. The american tax payer elects their bosses. And the corporations may favor their bosses financially in a much corrupted way. But they also know that if they nuke american's economy, the american tax payer will fire their bosses. Iraq was a mistake because of that. These agencies do have limits and they know that very well. They must please the president. In Iraq's case, it has favored Halliburton and few other companies who blessed, specially, the vice-president Dick Chenney, but in the end it ruined George W Bush's popularity. Bush and his whole family were very rich a long time before the war on Iraq, they didn't need its money (but they certainly got something with it). The point is that, once the boss changed (Obama), they had to change their attitude until they've dropped Iraq.

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yet you absolutely can't accept that the Pentagon (with it's myriad of subcontractors) isn't sucking trillions out of Congress for it's own sake.


They are sucking trillions out of the congress partially for their own sake, but they also respond to the president.


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Hitler almost saved Europe from Communist left-wing (Jewish) radicals, and they castrated Germany for it. Hitler almost single-handedly drove the subversive Jewish ideologies out of Europe, and tried his best to make Europe Christian again. Today Germany is a "politically correct" feminist society that can't have honest intellectual conversation about history, lies, immigration, and the west's complicity in terrorism around the world, without someone going to jail for it.


What a utter bull crap! Congrats, you've managed to beat your own ignorance with a bull shit beyond scales.

We had a hell of an argument in another topic and you've seem to learn nothing from it. Then, I am the brick wall, right? No shit, Sherlock. This kind of shit really pisses me off.


Does the 10 commandments or the Torah has anything on communism? Anything saying that the state must control all the economy? BLOODY HELL NO!

There is absolutely nothing communist in the Jewish religion for one bloody obvious reason: communism did not exist when the Jewish sacred books were written, genius!

Other topics that may seem to scare you such as feminism, gay marriage, porn movies or naked women, among others... have no relationship with any monotheist religion at all. In fact, the jewish traditions treated these topics in an entirely different way. These matters simply comes from the conclusion that many decent people has taken which is that diversity must be respected, regardless if you like it or not. It's something that neo nazis and other pathethic junks will never accepted, because they doesn't seem to be able to accept people who think differently than they do.

Besides, the most famous communist leaders such as Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong were all atheists (few of them had other religions in their childhood, but none of them were ever a jew).

You also claim that the media is run/owned by jews. I've stated several examples of media/movie corporations that are not owned or ran by jews and they are very relevant in USA, such as Walt Disney Company, Fox Broadcasting Company and all the Rupert Murdoch empire (nope, he is not jew), Time-Warner, etc...  And even those who are eventually ran by jews they do not broadcast the jewish religion or ideologies there. They have a different agenda.


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Please, don't make me accuse you of intellectual laziness, do your research, challenge your assumptions, and don't use answers.com or wikipedia.com as proof of anything.


You don't need to do that. I'm backing your affirmations with valid arguments, but I am not trusting your sources for the reasons specified earlier in this same post.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Volgin: You have nothing.

Banshee wrote:
I do research, but I do not trust yours and his sources. You are pointing messed up examples from your own head, which is worse than the answer.com, because that answer.com person was actually there in Afghanistan to see what kind of diamonds they sell it with their own eyes.


Answers.com is a great website for learning how to clean your toilet.

My god, Banshee.

These aren't messed up examples from our own head, silly. Veteran's today are all military personnel, highly trained. And they are but one group of enlightened, very experienced people.

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His case is even worse. Take a look at this:
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/10/15/ward.htm

The guy uses a document that is no longer available (and there is no copy everywhere, of course) and he claims almost everything that interests him to be FACT without showing any other sources. Oh, Kennedy was assassinated by someone who was ordered by the CIA, "because a chief of state of another president's whatever plot". And that before going to what he claims to be the real story. Honestly, I can't waste my time taking these things seriously.


Thats just one archived link. And You do realize that everything outlined in that link describes almost exactly what happened?

Its. Called. A. False. Flag.

How many ztyping times do you have to be told? False Flag. This is how war is waged. Google the term false flag already. Why you haven't grasped its concept by now is depressing, I've given you TONES of links and info prior to this post about it.

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Do you want another sample? Ok, let's see this: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/05/israel-nuked-america-on-9-11-01-shout-it-from-the-rooftops-part-ii/

The author uses the claims of his boss at the same site to say the FACT that Israeli's Spying Agency was responsible for the 911 events. His boss (Gordon Duff), however, has a serious vendetta against jews, zionists and Mossad, as clearly showed here and here. Independent media my bloody damn ass! These people have problems, this is what they have.


Zionists are to be despised. You don't even recognize what they are! If you did, than why would you defend such people? Jews and Mossad are caught in the cross fire. They don't direct this madness, they are slaves to it. Yes, its a shame how they get trampled on by everyone, but they are the scapegoats.

You've started to read some articles. Thats good. But what you need is more background details.

Now I have given you tones of background details. In the other thread and in this one, I've shown you how the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, etc people organized themselves, what they became today.

You've got to go back and read it all. I posted explanations for Khazar, explanations for Zionism, for the Abraham religions.

I've made sure to present all of this background. Well, you must have missed it. So try again:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/zionistisraelclaimunfounded15mar13.shtml

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Much about organized Jewry is a fraud. God's "chosen people" actually have sought to displace Him. The Cabala, their most revered book, is a hoax. Similarly, as Alfred Lillienthal explained in this key 1953 essay, their claim to Israel is yet another ruse.  Zionism and the NWO are partly a recrudescence of Khazar imperialism.  (See also Benjamin Friedman, below) -

When the word Judaism was born, there was no longer a Hebrew-'Israelite' state. The people who embraced the creed of Judaism were already mixed of many races and strains; and this diversification was rapidly growing...

Perhaps the most significant mass conversion to the Judaic faith occurred in Europe, in the 8th century A.D., and that story of the Khazars (Turko-Finnish people) is quite pertinent to the establishment of the modern State of 'Israel'.

This partly nomadic people, probably related to the Volga Bulgars, first appeared in Trans-Caucasia in the second century. They settled in what is now Southern Russia, between the Volga and the Don, and then spread to the shores of the Black, Caspian and Azov seas.

The Kingdom of Khazaria, ruled by a khagan or khakan fell to Attila the Hun in 448, and to the Muslims in 737. In between, the Khazars ruled over part of the Bulgarians, conquered the Crimea, and stretched their kingdom over the Caucasus farther to the northwest to include Kiev, and eastwards to Derbend.

Annual tributes were levied on the Russian Slavonians of Kiev. The city of Kiev was probably built by the Khazars. There were Jews in the city and the surrounding area before the Russian Empire was founded by the Varangians whom the Scandinavian warriors sometimes called the Russ or Ross (circa 855-863).


@Banshee: ^ ^ ^ Read the whole thing, oh great warrior of truth. Twisted Evil

Veteran's Today are all military personnel. These guys are not paid-for civilians, like CMMM employees. They're lucky to still be alive, with everything they're trying to push.

You were supposed to read this before you started to read stuff from Veteran's Today etc. Try again:

Here, lemme give yah a different source. You seem to like the bible and shit, so here yah go. A fresh source for yah, with plenty of names, dates and places you can look up:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm  

Again, the poor Jewish citizens are not to blame. For god's sake, stop saying that. I've never said that. I've never said that jews run this place. Troll Face Volgin did. And G-E did too. G-E, hehehe, you're really playing with fire here. Good job, son! But yah, the whole Jewish angle? Pfft. Good luck.

STICK TO THE SOURCE. FIND THE OWNERS OF YOUR PATHETIC LIVES>

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Oh and regarding the amazing explosion pictures from Dominic Hunter, guess what? Airplanes have fuel and they can easily cause huge explode when big airplanes shock with each others! You don't need to place bombs on both buildings to make these explosions and you don't need to be a genius to know that what I'm writing makes sense.


This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post. For shame.

Yes, those pictures are amazing. But no, Jet fuel does not melt steel beams. Popular Mechanics for Kids are Controlled Major Mass Media, and its for kids. Don't be a fool thinking that plane debris would slice through a huge couple of buildings like those and create a "fiery conduit". Thats almost as dumb as saying the human population was exposed to AIDS thru monkeys.... *Shakes head*

You need the bombs to make the buildings actually collapse into their own footprint. They didn't topple over sideways, they ztyping SANK. Controlled demolition.

DID YOU NOT ztyping READ THAT HUGE EXPLANATION I JUST GAVE? You must have ignored it. Airplanes are hollow aluminum tubes. Theres no ztyping WAY that their jet fuel, or even their force of impact could take down a set of gigantic skyscrapers. You need to study some science and physics, bub.

I mean come on, I just told you how those structures went down. Do you need to see a video or something?





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So, answer me, how do you expect me to take your so called research seriously? You are not enlightening me at all. You are just spreading your bull crap. That's all. There is no independent media anywhere. If you wanna know more about what really happens you need to research how the history around the actors that participate in the news, understand them, read news from several sources, understand how these sources express their ideas and what are their real intentions and finally you have to filter the bull crap, because there will always be bull crap, regardless of the source.


With pleasure I'll answer you. Yes there is free media, free from the Controlled Major Mass. There are always free people. lol, you literally just said that there is no free media, so, you like that? Huh? You agree with your oppressors? Ha ha HA! You've been revealing your stance lately, Banshee. Very interesting. I can literally see you bending over.

FIrst you say that theres no independent media anywhere. Then you say you have to research the history of the "actors", that participate in the "news", even though its not news but controlled major mass media, and that they're all one source? Understand how these sources express their ideas? Its Controlled major mass media. Do you understand what that means? Its paid-for shills, goving you NOTHING useful. Kinda like Volgin. Their real intentions, are to keep you docile. Although I don't think Volgin is that clever.

So you say I should study the history around the actors that participate in the CMMM (controlled major mass media). What the actual ztype. You want me to study actors?

You just said it! They're ztyping actors.

It always slips, it always does, I see what you got. You might as well just act like Volgin now, Banshee. Useless.

Your so called bull crap doesn't exist to you. My sources are your so called bullcrap. Its not part of CMMM. You can't see anything other than CMMM. What is this bull crap you speak of, if not the entirety of the Zionist paid for/controlled CMMM?

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yet you absolutely can't accept that the Pentagon (with it's myriad of subcontractors) isn't sucking trillions out of Congress for it's own sake.


They are sucking trillions out of the congress partially for their own sake, but they also respond to the president.


No, they do not. Don't be so naive. He is pretty high up, but the President does not have maximum clearance. Hes a puppet, public figurehead, just like all politics.

Don't get me wrong, the Prez does have power, he can veto the shit out of Congress if he wants to, but, thats about it. The Vatican, the City of London Square Mile, and the Washington District of Columbia are the ones that own this shit. They are independent states operating outside of the countries that they reside within. But thats a topic for another day.

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Hitler almost saved Europe from Communist left-wing (Jewish) radicals, and they castrated Germany for it. Hitler almost single-handedly drove the subversive Jewish ideologies out of Europe, and tried his best to make Europe Christian again. Today Germany is a "politically correct" feminist society that can't have honest intellectual conversation about history, lies, immigration, and the west's complicity in terrorism around the world, without someone going to jail for it.


What a utter bull crap! Congrats, you've managed to beat your own ignorance with a bull shit beyond scales.

We had a hell of an argument in another topic and you've seem to learn nothing from it. Then, I am the brick wall, right? No shit, Sherlock. This kind of shit really pisses me off.


Does the 10 commandments or the Torah has anything on communism? Anything saying that the state must control all the economy? BLOODY HELL NO!

There is absolutely nothing communist in the Jewish religion for one bloody obvious reason: communism did not exist when the Jewish sacred books were written, genius!

Other topics that may seem to scare you such as feminism, gay marriage, porn movies or naked women, among others... have no relationship with any monotheist religion at all. In fact, the jewish traditions treated these topics in an entirely different way. These matters simply comes from the conclusion that many decent people has taken which is that diversity must be respected, regardless if you like it or not. It's something that neo nazis and other pathethic junks will never accepted, because they doesn't seem to be able to accept people who think differently than they do.

Besides, the most famous communist leaders such as Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong were all atheists (few of them had other religions in their childhood, but none of them were ever a jew).

You also claim that the media is run/owned by jews. I've stated several examples of media/movie corporations that are not owned or ran by jews and they are very relevant in USA, such as Walt Disney Company, Fox Broadcasting Company and all the Rupert Murdoch empire (nope, he is not jew), Time-Warner, etc...  And even those who are eventually ran by jews they do not broadcast the jewish religion or ideologies there. They have a different agenda.


This is now "nit picking" territory. The kind of drivel that any two bit can toss around.

^ ^ ^ THIS, is the bullshit. You and him will never figure out anything discussing such low grade, goyim society.

However, at the same time, near the end of your paragraph? Yah spelt out some good shit yet again! You say they have a different agenda? There yah go.

The Controlled Major Mass Media is not owned by Jews. They are owned by the Khazarian Crypto Zionists. Ruport Murdoch is a zionist, who owns Fox Broadcasting Company, Walt Diseny is a hideous zionist and his company is ztyping nasty (lol, he hated Jews)

We're gonna get you past this concrete wall one of these days.
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Veteran's today are all military personnel, highly trained. And they are but one group of enlightened, very experienced people.


You seem to think that they are enlightened, because they express opinions that are different than the ones seem in mainstream media. But that doesn't mean absolutely anything.

These guys uses jews as enemies in their discourse but they are enlightened at all about Judaism, Zionism, Mossad, etc. Their misunderstanding of some of these concepts together with their paranoia (which is something common in any army) and the inability to accept certain ideas are consequences of their neo nazi scheme. To understand them, you need to understand Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister:

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That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

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"The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed."



While the quote is not clear and may be easily taken out of context, it is easy to infer that his discourse is based that their enemies always lies and uses these lies to manipulate the people. And he fears this kind of thing on them because that is the main tactic used in the nazi propaganda machine itself.

They create factoids on  based on gaps from official stories and things that were not proven. They use them to deconstruct the official story to eventually replace the 'facts' with the ones that matters to them, spreading absurd fuds and repeating them all the time until you digest them.

Do you want a sample? Look at your friend Gordon Duff here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/04/04/the-very-nasty-truth-about-the-panama-papers/

The guy starts with this:

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The Panama Papers are a scam, real documents turned over to a Mossad run organization that now has dirt on even more people and more power to make a very nasty world an even darker and nastier place.


Then, come with the origins of the Panama Papers from his perspective:

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The Panama Papers are a leak to a German newspaper of tens of thousands of corporate records from a law firm in Panama that ran much of the world’s money laundering.  When a German newspaper received this dump over a year ago, they turned, unknowingly, to an organization actually run by intelligence agencies, in fact those with the most to risk from the leak itself, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists.



Now, stop a bit and let's head to the official site of the "evil organization run by greedy intelligence agencies of doom":

http://panamapapers.icij.org/about.html

Read the whole content there. Ask me: Who leaked the panama papers? Of course that they won't tell it to the public, because they have to keep the source safe and gain its trust. Then, the story has several important gaps here:

1) Who leaked the content of the panama papers?
2) What is the purpose of this creature leaking the source who leaked it?
3) Are the contents of these panama papers reliable/real?

And there are others.

You, enlightened mind, will never get the real answers to these questions. Whoever leaked it will never reveal itself to the public, nor its intentions with its actions. You will not see the original documents either, nor be able to validate each of it with governmental data from several countries at once.

Then, he will fill it with his bull crap:

1) Mossad run organization that now has dirt on even more people and more power to make a very nasty world an even darker and nastier place has leaked it.
2) They want to impeach Putin or put the russian public opinion against Putin. They also want to extort other authorities and those who evade taxes.
3) The Panama Papers are a scam.



This is not enlightenment. This is a factoid creator. The same strategy that you guys were using to describe the World War 2 actions against Jews, Israeli conspiract thing, the Khazar bull crap thing, 9/11 events, among other things. The video you've linked was created by this creature. What does he know about physics and engineering? How can someone place nukes in World Trade Center back to 1950s, if WTC was only built in the 70s?


The funny thing here is that the so called left wingers in Brazil or communists may call your same Zionists crazy conspiracy here as American crazy conspiracy, where Americans (government and corporations) want to control the world and impose their system to everyone. I won't call these Americans saints, since I've seen many suspicious attitudes from them and their supporters towards other countries, including mine. The most serious conspiracy theory that we have here is how 1960's dictatorship in Brazil started. The president at the time (march 1964), Joao Goulart, was being blackmailed with the presence of an american aircraft carrier near Rio de Janeiro (which was where the president still governed, since Brasilia wasn't fully ready yet) that could attack here if he didn't resign. That happened after several american companies such as Ford and Coca Cola fed the military revolutionaries, as well as CIA agents infiltrated the country to demoralize the current president, who they considered to be communist. Why the aircraft carrier blackmail did not instantaneously triggered the dictatorship, it has made the president drop his resistance against the military revolutionaries. While the support of Coca-Cola, Ford and CIA was never documented by the official media at the time, the presence of the aircraft carrier (which was supposedly there for training missions) was. Unlike these crazy stories of yours, these stories were confirmed even by those who were interested on the deposition of Joao Goulart, such as the Globo organizations, among others from the large media broadcasters here, as well as CIA support for dictatorships in other latin american countries. Some people who participated from it actually broadcasted their confirmation in these media channels, including how CIA infiltrated the church at the time. So, we also had gaps in these stories and they were eventually partially filled in such a way that they made some sense.


So, I'm not naive to believe that they are saints, but I am not naive to believe in every story from neo nazi creatures in the web. These creatures are nasty and dangerous, but do not believe everything you see in the web. There are nasty people on every side.

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DH: you know I know they have nothing to do with the Torah, which technically, neither should the Christians. It's the born-again Christians that believe in the old testament (aka Torah) and are therefore the closest thing to Judahites, despite not being Judean. Try explaining that to an average person though.

Banshee: I think the fundemental problem with your belief system (yes I will call it belief) is that you see all these things and can't believe they can be connected like branches to a tree. I think what you need to do is turn it all around, pretend that you want to rule the world, pretend that you want to take over a civilization, and ponder the steps it would take to get there.

It the terrible new movie the 5th Wave, the girl writes a journal, in it she lists the overview of each wave. The first step is to go for the easy ones, be as efficient as possible, that's what the first 3 waves are, destroying infrastructure, unleashing a virus, natural disasters. Then they have to start focusing on picking off the self-sufficient, the ones capable of thriving in the new reality. And the 5th wave is about turning the remaining people against each other, and out of desperation they will kill each other.

You may think this is a movie, you may think this is science fiction and should be ignored, but you can't ignore the fact that someone thought this through. More to the point, MANY PEOPLE have, and they even wrote their ideas down. Enter the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Georgia Guidestones.

The people we call "Jews" are not all bad people, but hardly any of them are Semitic, or Judean. In fact, according to their own religious texts, the real Judeans originate from what is the West Bank, literally the biblical source of Israelites. Do you see a fundamental irony here? Israel the country is not even on the land of the biblical Israelites, the Palestinians are!

We can try to distinguish between a modern Jew and Zionists, but that's like trying to differentiate between establishment Democrats and Republicans. You have to have the most selective and ignorant interpretation to believe there is a difference, not because they were one and the same, but because over time they have melded their core beliefs and cultures. Israel is not a Judean/Judahite state, it is a ZIONIST STATE.

These Zionists didn't start with the state of Israel, they started in the 1800's. Slowly, they started with banking, they expanded into inciting wars, as bankers had to fund the wars in either case. They realized that it made more sense to fund both sides, and whoever lost had to pay reparations, while the winner still had to repay their debts. These belligerent bankers became powerful enough and wealthy enough to pick and choose who else would be winners and losers in the economy. By expanding their influence through acolytes and dependents, they managed to force entire governments to give up their own rights to producing money, and therefore, their sovereignty.

Without these Zionists, Germany would have decisively won WW1, and Europe would have stayed pretty much as it was prior to WW1. Maybe with different leadership, big deal. Long live the Kaiser.

Without these Zionists dragging America into WW1, by their overwhelming control of print and radio news, the Brits would not have agreed to the Balfour Declaration. They made a deal, Britain can choose to win the war, or give the "Jews" a new homeland. Finally creating the end-game condition for the Zionists to rally around.

Without the Balfour Declaration, pre-Nazi Germany would still have been the "Jews" favourite place on earth. Despite this contentment, many of them were convinced to abandon their homes, to follow the Zionists plan of creating a "Jewish" state. Hitler even formed an alliance with these Zionists, Germans were against the Slavs and the "Communist threat" from the East, and most of the Communists were "Jews", it made perfect sense to him to help them create their own country -- somewhere else.

The Khazars that became Talmudic "Jews" were pagans, they believed in phallic worship, hence serpents, hence they are called the "Serpent People"... People like David Icke got famous telling stories of how there are serpent aliens among us for a long time, interbreeding with hoomans. We can look at his sensationalism as a way to acknowledge the "Serpent People" indirectly, rarely ever accusing the Zionists "Jews" as Zionist Khazarians. Maybe this is why they let him talk so much? I hear lately he has started addressing the more earthly issue of Zionism directly, but you can't help think that like Assange, he knows where their thin red line is.

Banshee: If you really start to dig into history, as you mentioned in your last blurb about the CIA infiltrating churches, you will find that most of history is a result of "deals with the devil" decisions, the choice with only one option. We can call it blackmail, influence, bribery, coercion, it's all beside the point.

There is a very real metaphorical tree that western society lives on, that tree has been shaped and nurtured by Talmudic derivative entities, like the Zionists, like the Illuminati, like the Free Masons, for centuries. They didn't always work together, or for the same goals, but like the Republicans and Democrats, they drink together, do business together, stick together when it really matters. And at the root of this tree is the Pharisaian money-changers, now called central bankers, and their disciples.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all due respect, you should write a fiction book with this story. It has potential to have good sales.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously? Why don't you listen to the horse when it talks...





Listen to that one entirely, don't skip, really, really listen.
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Look for newspapers in the decade prior to each world war, and you'll be surprised at the contradiction to the modern narrative.
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Likewise what the noises emitted by horse, your story doesn't make any sense at all. Likewise Benjamim Freedman, Adolf Hitler was also born jew and both were anti-semitic. The reasons for USA joining Great Britain's side in World War 1 goes far beyond the creation of an Zionist state. American naval units that being seized Germany submarines were far more determinant for joining the war than any zionist pressure. This article in your so much loved wikipedia mentions all the reasons, including the potential zionist state. The creation of the zionist state is not denied by historians, nor the Balfour Declarations.


Regarding the communist jews, Benjamim Freedman has mentioned so much, if they were bankers and big business men, it wouldn't make sense for these people to be communists. However, in order to bring american public opinion against these guys, he tried to associate them with communism, which was something feared by americans. All these kind of people try to distort their discuss using the same nazi strategy: fill the gaps of the story with bull crap. Oh! But he claimed to have the documents to prove every word of his speech! This is, of course, a lie. He was just trying to bring some credibility for his speech, that's all. Nobody would ever look at that documents. Anyway, compare what they say with what people with different intentions talk about the same thing and you'll eventually track the bull crap, specially if they talk about something that one one else can confirm.



Finally, you have to understand that in every country, there are people with different and conflicting agenda, even when the country is fighting a dangerous world war. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies the absurd criminal actions that Hitler and his gang did to whoever they did... from jews to muslims to other minorities.


Regarding the picture, it has been edited. Part of it was removed and most of it is illegible. There is always journals covering any kind of editorial opinion. I don't know anything about this 'Daily Express', nor the people who wrote these articles. So, I can't simply trust the title. I'm sorry.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're really justifying the holocaust here. Welp, guess PPM has jumped the shark.
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There is no valid justification for the holocaust. The whole thing was a completely absurd that I hope that it doesn't repeat anymore.

Banshee wrote:
Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies the absurd criminal actions that Hitler and his gang did to whoever they did... from jews to muslims to other minorities.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No people, we are not justifying the holocaust, or the holodomor, or the CIA activities, or anything else illegal mentioned in this thread. It has also been a fairly civil thread considering the topic challenges nearly everything people have been taught to believe in the last century.

We were discussing how a small group of people, with a predilection for subversive ideologies have managed to infiltrate most positions of power, by slowly leveraging every bit they gained to further their tribe. In parallel arguing that religion has ceased to be the prime determinant in who belongs to that group.

Many of you seem to think most of history is random, coincidence, many of you fall back on religious texts as if they were accurate in some way, and many of you refuse to dig beyond the official story -- which virtually always turns out to be a lie.

The few of you who use ad hominem insults like "conspiracy theorist" or anti-something, are guilty of the same ad hominem attacks used by that small group to keep themselves untouchable.

The truth is dirty, complicated, and often hurts feelings, but history and science shouldn't care about these things, red doesn't become pink because you don't like it.
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