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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:26 am    Post subject:  Arabian League
Subject description: A Possible 4th side
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A possible 4th side (17th in code and I'm still watching the development on what can fix with Ares 16th limit).

Lore:
A resource rich and neutral faction during the course of the war. Middle east had became a battleground when Allies and Soviets fight for the middle east states allegiances to fund their war effort.


I guess this may be appropriate for a cold war 4th side in Red Alert 2 Canon.

I will need help for brainstorming this one. This is not like a GLA Faction type or some kind of terror group.
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Bu7loos
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right.

You Can use a mixture of GCC (Gulf Cooperation council) Countries IE (Saudi Arabia, United Arab emirates, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait and  Iraq [tho not really a GCC member])  

some of them use some sort of mixture of allied and soviet tech with most tech focused on Western with the exception of Iraq.

Example, Kuwait has the old Yugoslav M-84 tank, and that soviet Osa mobile SAM vehicle

Another Example would be Iraq that uses a mix of western and eastern military equipment for example Iraq had both
Soviet MiG-21's and French Dassualt F-1's used in the Iraqi Iranian War.

I suggest you go to Wikipedia and look at the military equipment of the countries I cited, if you want RL perspective, Though this RA2 I would still suggest giving a mixture of allied and soviet Tech with a different color scheme, Example:

-MBT: Rhino Tank.
-Transport: IFV.
-Tank Destroyer: The German TNKD.
-ARTY: V3.
-Drone: [A drone that paints targets to reduce armor]
-Miner: War Miner.
-Heavy Unit: Missile/Cannon BFRT (with less passengers. Also, this Version of BFRT should be weaker)
-AA: Mirage SAM (AA only)
-MCV: AMCV

-Light Attack Aircraft: British Strike Master.
-Fighter Aircraft: Harrier or F-15.
-Bomber: Mirage 2000D.

The factions army should be well rounded and can adapt to any situation in early to mid game and should be somewhat defensive in late game. Its mixture tech safe guards it from both of Soviet and Allied faction deficiencies which makes overall good in any combat situation, but its lack of truly advanced/heavy attack units lowers its main attack strength as it has Medium-Heavy Combat units At best and even these are used defensively. Also, late game heavy defenses should be available with this faction or early game mixed Allied/soviet defenses in which:

Defense set 1:

-Allied/Soviet Battle.
-Allied/Soveit Tank Bunker (MadHq Version)
-Fortified Allied Anti-Air Patriot.
-Fortified Soviet Anti Ground Flak Battery.
-Fortified Pill Box or Sentry Gun  

Defense set 2:

- Pill Box or sentry gun.
- patriot or flak cannon.
- Tesla Coil or Prism Tower.
- Fortified Grand Cannon.

Moreover, This faction units should be a tad more expensive unlike other soviet and allied factions in which this side is reliant on the allied side and soviet side for equipment which ultimately 'Leads' to expensive equipment.

Example:

GI Cost = 250.
Rhino Cost = 1000.
IFV Cost = 700.

and etc..

To conclude

Faction PROS:

-Very Adaptability Faction to any combat situation.
-Good Early-Med Game Army Strength.
-Good Defenses.
-Very Good Economy.

Faction CONS:

-Expensive units and defenses.
-Defensive At late Game.
-Lack of genuine heavy/ADV. Attack units.

Strategy when playing this faction:

-Make sure you enemy is pinned down from early to mid game.
-Make sure build good defenses before enemy roles out their advanced units.
-Target the enemy battle labs and advanced structures to deny them their most Advanced and Heavy units.

Strategy when playing against this faction:

-War of attrition / Guerrilla warfare is good tactic against it.
-destroy the enemy miners as it may have a good economy but its units is expensive.
-Tech up fast as possible and roll out the heavy and ADV. units and always make sure to build more than 1 battle lab xD
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yes possible, I'm still looking at the perspective of an Ra1 timeline Ottoman Collapse If Allies will be antagonist for it or the Soviets...

So the GCC may have been established earlier in time rather late 1980's. Ra2 Timeline happened at 1970.

and will be a flash point for an Allied-Arab supported Iran vs Soviet Iraq War... which will turn out that the arab league will transform to an independent and will not rely to any European Allied Nations nor Soviet.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye that maybe good, but from a historical perspective Arabs and Iranians do not mix specifically Iranian nationalists see's us as a well ( Cricket eaters and nomadic scum who destroyed our great sasanid empire).

So I suggest you make Iraq with the 4th side and Iran with Allies, you need to make some sort of trigger that happens between the Arab nation and Iran that makes them form this GCC Alliance and stand against Iran.

Lets just say that they were "Political allies" with ottoman khalifat to stop the Arabian rebellion before it collapsed in which ultimately lead to some fighting between them. After Iran had politically played the ottoman empire by allowing Russian play their card inside the Arabian peninsula severely weakening the ottomans  which allowed the Russian in turn to take over Syria and Palestine and locking the ottomans from the north and south after defeating the joint British/Egyptian army who had defeated in the weakened ottoman's that occupied the northern section of the middle east  which leads to conquering entirety of middle east via its Army and political induced rebellious movements.

After the which the political situation for Iranian changed thinking 2 timing the Russians and Ottomans, the first turned out more formidable than expected in which their plan the allies foiled thus this had lead to allied to retreat to Egypt, fortify Iran and basically after defeating Germany occupy the surrendered ottoman empire and helping them against the Russians. in which you are left with Arabs being surrounded with in all 3 sides: west , north and east.

After WW1 they would established trade routs with soviet India (after its independence from Britain) to secure a pipe between soviet and Arabs growing them into a military power and a soviet ally.

After some time the Arabs realized that they are making enemies and they are not in a position to make such so they slowly slipped from soviet control via weaponry by manufacturing their own seeing that they do no want to be mere puppets to be controlled and they should tale a more pragmatic and open approach as they have tasted bitter defeat by the Iranians times (67) and times again (73) and it time to which they arrived at the ultimate solution of forsaking some of the soviet relationship towards the allies via buying weaponry and fusing it the soviet exiting ones (75), after which the GCC was made (76) with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Yemen and Iraq Leaving out Palestine and Syria to be the Soviets most trusted allies in the region.

Again at first Arabs will be with the soviet against the Iranians but will develop their own weaponry against Iran which will ultimately leads them to form this 4th faction, this mean you will have to disregard the Current GCC to be allied affiliated and instead it should be soviet affiliated and in WW1 the soviets should have made the rebellion inside the Arabian peninsula against the ottomans and the Lawrence of Arabia should be Russian.

The political situation is like 4th side is boxed in the middle dealing with both Soviets and Allies while keeping a balanced relations with them less they want trouble, though the allies tend to want to try exploit the 4th side more than the soviets in which relation with the soviets are more favorable in which they tend to keep all Arabs despite their political stances focused on one enemy "Iran" while still having espionage-cal fights between to which the 4th side want other Arab states to join them to weaken both soviet and allied control over the region seeing that they are more fitting because they fused both eastern and western tech (Although with limitations)

this may lead to also the allies and soviet having an unholy alliance with each other to keep these Arabs at bay while also keeping an eye at yuri who might be in control of the 4th faction as his own ? etc.... Right I will leave the rest to you these are basically my ideas, their are more possibilities to which you can make out of the 4 sides.

Lastly, Iraq should be replace with Syria or some of the African countries like Algeria and desolation and Rad tech should be inherited by 4th side.

Sheesh I wrote alot xD
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill mixed those what you've written. Interesting and I've been reading a lot lately about their friendships and stuff. Will stick into Ra2 canon and fuse it will some real life events or make it a similar in real life events.

So if its in RA2 Timeline, the Iran can be named as a Holy Empire of Iran (5th side. Neutral nation rich with lots of ore and oil) since there is no nazi germany to have economic and technological exchanges.

So we can say that when the war broke out between Allied and Soviets. In desperation of the soviets for funding since they are battling 2 fronts, they wanted to persuade other Arab League states and The Holy Empire of Iran to fund their war effort. Since some of them are now independent from the commonwealth. Soviet Iraq will Invade Iran and sometime Allies will Liberate Iran and Egypt's case will be their emissary of some sort but Egypt (in ra2 timeline) switch sides and support (similar to switching sides in real life) with the Allies and paved way for an Arab Union in which they will have defense cooperation of all Arab States in case both super powers or Yuri's attacked.

As Soviets pulled out in egypt and suez / mediterranean to avoid all out war at the south as the Arab League now becomes Arab Union and has been created to make a defense coop treaty to pushed them and in between this timeline Yuri's army sneak them in and is hiding somewhere. (this will be like an Alternate Cairo Conference of Arab States instead of real life Allied, Soviet, and China)

So in main YR timeline events, Arab Union dont have the technological strength to fight Yuri and made an alliance between the Allies.

Hmm... with regards to side tech, im thinking not giving them chemical weapons.

Buildings:
Construction Yard
Power Plant
Barracks
War Factory
Naval Yard
Radar
Service Depot
Battle Lab
Airfield
(and some kind of building in line with purifier and industrial plant)

Infantry
Militia (basic)
RPG Trooper (basic anti-tank and air)
Attack Dogs
Royal Engineers
Royal Guard
(an arab - tesla, rocketeer tier counterpart)
(an arab - seal ivan tier counterpart)
(and some arab hero lol)

Vehicles

Scimitar Light Tank (basic tank)
War Miner (subterranean)
Swingfire IFV or Stryker IFV
APC (BMP look can traverse at water)
V3 Launcher (different truck unit)
Flame Tank
Samaritan (some kind of support vehicle)
MCV
Mammoth Tank (final tier Tank)


Air Units:
(some VTOL arab named craft)
Propaganda Airship (at war factory)


Anyway will try to create a unique side concept of units for this.
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Ramius_Typhoon
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good to me; I think that one of the best inspirations would be Battlefield 2's MEC, although the faction would need more homegrown stuff (not that hard to imagine should the federation already exist for a couple decades), although I see them relying on cheaper kit in bigger numbers.
A counterpart to the Soviets' nuke and tesla tech could be chemical weapons, which sadly were a big part of Arab military history after WW2.

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