you mean on the comparison shot with the small building version? Yeah, could be a result of the super thin antennae which are anti-aliased even with the 3ds max setting "Don't anti-alias against background".
Though for anyone who uses it a quick fix in SHP Builder. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Maybe later, after i finished my current SHP project involving this model.
Though note that such an SHP, using the big sized version would surely reach several megabytes of size, since i would of course add some move, stand, landing and other animations. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
You need to add a small amount of chamfer to soften alot of the edges.
It also looks a little too bright and glossy ingame at least (i can't remember if the renders are like this).
But these are minor points and it looks like a decent remake of the Kodiak!
Would love to see a large and high detail voxel ready to be used for TS Rewire _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I've added a small chamfer to all convex edges, but i guess it's a bit too small.
I'll see what i can do to improve it. Thanks for the feedback.
I think the brightness and glossyness matches quite well the original small TS building version and the renders shown in the FMVs (like this one).
Only the wreck seems to be of a darker main gold color. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:10 pm Post subject:
SMIFFGIG wrote:
Would love to see a large and high detail voxel ready to be used for TS Rewire
Do not. Do not. Regardless what people who have no idea how things work when it comes to voxels say, this will end up bad if it gets converted to a voxel without a painful cleanup. 3ds2vxl will ztype up any detailed texture and that's a fact. The best choice is to create a many-facings SHP as Astor said, although I'm not sure if OpenRA allows more facings than 32 even (if yes, then go for more even). _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Would love to see a large and high detail voxel ready to be used for TS Rewire
Do not. Do not. Regardless what people who have no idea how things work when it comes to voxels say, this will end up bad if it gets converted to a voxel without a painful cleanup. 3ds2vxl will ztype up any detailed texture and that's a fact. The best choice is to create a many-facings SHP as Astor said, although I'm not sure if OpenRA allows more facings than 32 even (if yes, then go for more even).
Pretty sure LKO already made a decent Kodiak voxel from a .obj
May have been someone else, but it looked great. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Yes, this was a 3ds2vxl job.
-though even if the texture used back then was pretty simple, the result was quite nice
A better texture, some slight fine tuning after conversion and it should be very nice. And a 1000 times faster than placing every single voxel by hand.
However, bigger than the big version, which reached already a length of 255 voxel is not possible, except it is split up into several sections that are afterwards positioned together again in the hva. Way too much work for me to do this.
Or using OpenRA's upscaling, which then would make the texture pixelated. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
The main body down the middle is too wide. the windows are too light in color. few other proportion and details missing like the head area on yours is just a box shape while the official has some more beveling going on. i know you can touch it up youre just too lazy. its so close but in the end it just looks like a fan version of it. Fix it then release it thanks. QUICK_EDIT
... i know you can touch it up youre just too lazy ...
Fvck off? It's better in realistic proportion than the original. _________________ "Don't beg for things; Do it yourself or you'll never get anything." QUICK_EDIT
Quite cocky to demand something, when you have never contributed anything to this community yourself.
Mechacaseal wrote:
few other proportion and details missing like the head area on yours is just a box shape while the official has some more beveling going on.
Comparison shot attached.
No clue what you mean. Looks very close to me.
(i know i used a grey metal color on some parts, but i like it that way better)
Shortbus, Dreamcaseal, Electrocaseal, Mechacaseal. Names change, person behind them does not. Confirmed class A retard, been banned (and if not, shunned) on many C&C-related websites before. Wouldn't give much if any weight to his opinions or postings. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Shortbus, Dreamcaseal, Electrocaseal, Mechacaseal. Names change, person behind them does not. Confirmed class A retard, been banned (and if not, shunned) on many C&C-related websites before. Wouldn't give much if any weight to his opinions or postings.
So much hate over nothing. You mad at me for what exactly? Using a few voxels that weren't mine? Even tho people use my voxels and graphics in their mods without asking on this website? Do I care? No. Grow up. QUICK_EDIT
btw, I've shown you a comparison shot above. You could have at least tried to explain in detail where you think my model is incorrect.
-which proportion and details are missing?
-where do you think the head area is just a box shape?
Before you complain the next time about a free resource not meeting your quality standards, try to make a better one yourself. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
btw, I've shown you a comparison shot above. You could have at least tried to explain in detail where you think my model is incorrect.
-which proportion and details are missing?
-where do you think the head area is just a box shape?
Before you complain the next time about a free resource not meeting your quality standards, try to make a better one yourself.
im not going to waste time making anymore stuff for a 17 year old game that has barely enough players to get a game in during the day and many people including myself opt for using official graphics. slim down the main hull of the ship cause its too wide and you may be right. the problem may just be your texturing. the texturing doesnt match up. official one has lots of darker thicker lines which i guess appears to be more beveling at first glance. yours also has too much diffuse/specularity to it. the official is duller.
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(i know i used a grey metal color on some parts, but i like it that way better)
Well its wrong so darken it so it matches the crash scene and videos.
Make the changes and it will look right and i wont have anything to bitch about. QUICK_EDIT
yes, IIRC, Advanced Lighting with Final Gather is on.
But from the looks of it, you're right that it seems like Ambient Occlusion is missing.
I'll check when i have access to my files again.
Shortbus has a point though, about the main front hull being a tad too wide and i narrowed it already a while ago for the real SHP project which i'm working on that will use the model. Some other improvements like better chamfered edges, smooth round engines, a tad more details, better landing gears are done too.
Once i'm finish with the main project, i'll update this one with the improved model. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
hmm, it would be an interesting project, but i'm not sure if the Montauk would have any use.
It would be only a bigger building version of the vanilla TS one (which is ridiculously tiny).
It can't be really used as a transport to give some reinforcements like a dropship nor as an ActiveAnim for a building.
The only real purpose i could see in the Montauk is being the mobile version/MCV of a Nod Conyard. But that would be a lot of work to
a) get the VXL conversion look good (VXL necessary for subterranean movement)
b) get a seamless looking deploy anim from the VXL unit into the SHP building _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
@LKO: Do you have ambient occlusion added? If not, how would it look like? Just curious.
I checked again and it doesn't have ambient occlusion.
I checked some tutorials to see how this would be done in 3ds max, but i couldn't find any which do this in 1 render step (always 2 render passes and a combination of them afterwards with photoshop/gimp)
Since i like things simple, i played with the values in 3ds max to achieve a comparable effect with only 1 render pass.
My scene has 2 light sources: Directional Light for main lighting, Skylight for ambient lighting
Attached some different lighting tests.
Which one would you prefer?
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the usual TS lighting with single colored ray traced shadows from the directional light this creates the same shadow effect as the ingame generated single colored shadows
I find GAKODK0001.png most appealing because the shadow is not too sharp or soft.
GAKODK0002.png is too blurry and won't match with the other TS graphics.
GAKODK0003.png is ok, but the shadow edge is too soft and it kind of makes some small details blurry.
yeah, i find 0001 also nice. However the shadow is a tad dark and should an ingame shadow connect with one of these, you would see the border.
e.g. imagine the shadow of the sphere on the plane would extend into the transparent green area.
Then you would see ingame a darker shadow on the plane than on the terrain next to it via the shadow-frames shadow.
That's why i kept using 0000 for most of my SHPs, due to the perfect matching shadow between 3dsmax rendered and ingame drawn shadows.
Though since the Kodiak isn't standing on a foundation/bib like many buildings, it could indeed get a slightly different lighting/shadow setup. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
ambient occlusion aint gonna do shit if all the geometry is really just a texture. you said you have newer versions. thats the same model youre posting. you are so lazy. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:00 pm Post subject:
Banshee, please ban this assclown who has nothing to contribute to this community yet continues to violate the rules by making new accounts to circumvent a ban.
@LKO: Are you using any Bump/displacement maps? If not, I suggest making one. It wouldn't be too terribly hard. It adds a ton of detail without increasing your polycount, keeping render times down. Contrary to Mechapotato's asinine and incorrect comment, ambient occlusion will help, especially between the body and engine pods and beneath the wing looking bits on top. _________________ "Reality is a lovely place, but I wouldn't want to live there." -Adam Young QUICK_EDIT
I only use a very slight bumpmap. The gold metal has some kind of panels with subtle color differences and the same texture is used on the bumpmap.
I could add a strong metal panel bumpmap, though the Kodiak has in all WW renders and FMVs a very smooth surface. It's like the aluminum hull of an aircraft, very smooth and almost no visible metal panels (except you stand right next to it)
Attached is an example with a much stronger bumpmap
Stronger AO than the one provided by the Sky light shadow seems to be not possible, without using multiple render passes.
Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Location: Iszkaszentgyorgy, Hungary
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:50 pm Post subject:
So... we've got a jerkass (because of a decade old video?) who raises valid points yet everyone attack him on the sight.
On the other hand when I attack idiots on the sight I'm the bad guy.
PPM, why I am so attached to such a retardedly blatant double standarded place...
04 was the best so far, I love the texture details there. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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It's a public asset.
Feel free to use it wherever and by whomever you want
Though as usual, give credits. (And definitely don't claim it as your own work *looking at Mechacaseal*)
For Rewire i guess a bigger version would be necessary (twice the size), but that would be no problem. @Gangster, let me know if you need it. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
It's a public asset.
Feel free to use it wherever and by whomever you want
Though as usual, give credits. (And definitely don't claim it as your own work *looking at Mechacaseal*)
For Rewire i guess a bigger version would be necessary (twice the size), but that would be no problem. @Gangster, let me know if you need it.
It will be done, and twice the size? That would be pretty awesomeXD
I can imagine troopers fighting in amongst and over itXD QUICK_EDIT
It may not have been the idea of making this but any chance of anim and damage frames?
Maybe later. For now i really wanna finish the main project first, for which i made this initially.
@Mortecha: Rewire is in general a lot bigger. Thus it needs to be that big to fit in.
Not sure about having infantry fight on it. It would need to be a special terrain object, so you can have units walk on it. But surely not impossible, just needs some work to get it right. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
The way I see it, having the Kodiac on a map, any map would dictate that that is in fact the objective. It could contain valuable Intel, hardware or what ever else would make someone crazy enough to risk their neck going for it.
Maybe even possibly you could hack into semi working systems and gain intel on GDI. Hypothetically that is up to the imagination of the creator of the narrative and the level.
If it was to be bigger, you could even have the separate sections as individual buildings and then scale that as you please. QUICK_EDIT
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