Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject:
Life sucks and then you die.
Prove wrong?
I'm in a such difficult situation right now,if ill fail my learning,Ill get back to my country and it will be impossible to find a proper job ,for living.
And I have to learn on my 200%,shit its hard.There are guys who do this stuff for ten years for now and I only for one week.Shit,its hard. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Location: North America Posts: You cannot comprehend...
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Life sucks and then you die.
vefbl4 wrote:
Prove wrong?
I'm in a such difficult situation right now,if ill fail my learning,Ill get back to my country and it will be impossible to find a proper job ,for living.
And I have to learn on my 200%,shit its hard.There are guys who do this stuff for ten years for now and I only for one week.Shit,its hard.
Bang the teacher; nah, I'm joking.
But seriously, what exactly are you're having difficulty with? _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
Listen mate, year and half ago my dad kicked me out home with 5 dollars and tram ticket and i am still alive have cash, i am renting a flat and live in happines. You are not worse than i. you can handle it. _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
No.. there are Rubles in Russia.. but it is easy to recalculate funds in US dollars instead RR, while chating with foreign people. It is saves time for both of us. _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Location: North America Posts: You cannot comprehend...
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:42 am Post subject:
Gangster wrote:
Listen mate, year and half ago my dad kicked me out home with 5 dollars and tram ticket and i am still alive have cash, i am renting a flat and live in happines. You are not worse than i. you can handle it.
Damn, how'd you do it? _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Location: In ur BIOS, Steeln ur Megahurtz!
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Life sucks and then you die.
vefbl4 wrote:
Prove wrong?
I'm in a such difficult situation right now,if ill fail my learning,Ill get back to my country and it will be impossible to find a proper job ,for living.
And I have to learn on my 200%,shit its hard.There are guys who do this stuff for ten years for now and I only for one week.Shit,its hard.
no.
YOUR life sucks.
_________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
well.. simply... I have had to find place to sleep so i did a visit to several friend of mine and have made a call to my ex-girlfriends. at the end of a day i have had eight places to stop for a night. i have bought a few newspapers and got a job after few days... _________________ Gangster is a Project Perfect Wuj (c)Aro QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Village of Creston, British Columbia.
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject:
vefbl4, it sounds like you're talking about arc welding. That's actually not that hard (well for me anyway), but it is damn repetitive, and definitely not my idea of a job. _________________
Oh, fuggerbuggerrit! QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Location: North America Posts: You cannot comprehend...
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject:
Gangster wrote:
2 DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr
well.. simply... I have had to find place to sleep so i did a visit to several friend of mine and have made a call to my ex-girlfriends. at the end of a day i have had eight places to stop for a night. i have bought a few newspapers and got a job after few days...
Fastfood? _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
I'm not kidding, I've got 11 GCSEs to do and if I get below a B on any of them I consider that screwey. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
Yeah, ban Chiel for being Chiel and then leave stupid n00bs running rampant. BANSHEE WIELDS THE BANHAMMER THE WRONG WAY YET AGAIN! >_> _________________ QUICK_EDIT
I'm not behaving like a n00b. I find that very insulting. I'm forceful, and not afraid to tell it how it is like IcySon and DCoder do. I'm not about to pretty up any thoughts so someone doesn't get offended. ztype that. I use my free speech. Now exercise your right to ignore it instead of just silencing shit you don't like.
Grow a pair Banshee. Crack down on stupid shit like Javier and kgb123 a little more instead of Chisel's twisted sense of humor. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:42 am Post subject:
IcySon and DCoder are terrible examples that, unfortunately, people follow. Non n00bs doesn't need to be agressive, insult others in order to proove any point. You can post very smart posts without flame anyone and make the person notice their fool action. QUICK_EDIT
Method 1:
You are an idiot | You Fail | Leave here until you grow a brain
Method 2:
------- is not useful or contributing in anyway. | You should really consider the effects of -------, its quite obvious to anyone that the result will be -------. | ------- is wrong, what you should do is -------.
Both can achieve similar effects (n00b takes time and realizes mistake/idiocy), but the first method more often ruins entire threads with flame wars and enraged members. QUICK_EDIT
IcySon and DCoder are terrible examples that, unfortunately, people follow. Non n00bs doesn't need to be agressive, insult others in order to proove any point. You can post very smart posts without flame anyone and make the person notice their fool action.
We're aggressive because that how you get the job done. You can't just hold someone's hand and tell them it's alright every time they ztype up. That's not learning, that's coddling and it's the reason the community is in such sorry shape. If you don't have the few of us step and tell it like it is, mediocrity reigns supreme and that turns into what's considered great. That reflects poorly on the community as a whole if that's what's so highly regarded. Just because we're not happy go ztyping lucky all the ztyping time doesn't mean we're not trying to be helpful.
You'd do well to rethink your position on our methods, and your own. Stop coddling and protecting the idiots so they can actually learn instead of having to ask a question at every goddamn turn.
[EDIT] If you think it doesn't work, look at Hogo. He started off as a moron n00b and I actually helped him work at it and be much better than he would be if I had just held his hand for everything. So if you think our methodology is whack, just keep that in mind. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Since this is destined for the crap forum anyways...
Beowulf, there are many internet communities made up entirely of people like that. They are aggressive towards newbies, and just generally rude.
Frankly, the people who practice that philosophy are condescending elitist idiots with an unfortunate inability to empathise.
I pity them.
You need to straighten up and realise that that attitude pushes far more people away than it helps.
No one joins a community that insults and patronises them, and no one would join this community if everyone were like you. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:37 am Post subject:
Your method may rescue one n00b at the same time that it turns other 9 into n00bs. This is what you do not understand. It is not effective at all. QUICK_EDIT
Since this is destined for the crap forum anyways...
Beowulf, there are many internet communities made up entirely of people like that. They are aggressive towards newbies, and just generally rude.
Frankly, the people who practice that philosophy are condescending elitist idiots with an unfortunate inability to empathise.
I pity them.
You need to straighten up and realise that that attitude pushes far more people away than it helps.
No one joins a community that insults and patronises them, and no one would join this community if everyone were like you.
Wrong. I am not aggressive towards newbies. I'm rather helpful to most people, as are most of us. HOWEVER, the stupid n00bs who refuse to try anything on their own, they're the ones who get the anger thrown at them and it's with good reason. Even the most patient people will throw up their hands in frustration and let the douche have it.
I think you misunderstand our methods. It's not always brutal anger. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Location: Teamblackistan Posts: Over 9000
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:51 am Post subject:
it's a highly situational situation. Like you said, modding ability has nothing to do with it, but instead the attitude of the person in question.
A sour attitude by any member is obviously going to get soured back.I'd have to say the exception is for the noobs who steal assets and claim them to be their own, bumping 100 topics, racism, sexism, or other uncalled for actions against the forum rules despite warning. I can understand saying a few choice things to them before an admin bans their ass for good.
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:41 am Post subject:
DeathRay2K wrote:
Since this is destined for the crap forum anyways...
Beowulf, there are many internet communities made up entirely of people like that. They are aggressive towards newbies, and just generally rude.
Frankly, the people who practice that philosophy are condescending elitist idiots with an unfortunate inability to empathise.
I pity them.
You need to straighten up and realise that that attitude pushes far more people away than it helps.
No one joins a community that insults and patronises them, and no one would join this community if everyone were like you.
Wise words, buddy. 100% agreed.
Beowulf wrote:
Wrong. I am not aggressive towards newbies. I'm rather helpful to most people, as are most of us. HOWEVER, the stupid n00bs who refuse to try anything on their own, they're the ones who get the anger thrown at them and it's with good reason. Even the most patient people will throw up their hands in frustration and let the douche have it.
I think you misunderstand our methods. It's not always brutal anger.
Your methods still ruin many communities and it is seriously deteriorating PPM as well. It makes whole community look arrogant, elitists and scares a lot of potential modders who could improve a lot the community. As admin, I cannot allow that to happen. If you wanna do it on Freedom Studios, where you rule. Go ahead, it is your forum. But do not do it here. If a person refuses to try anything on their own and read what you say, do not waste your time replying them. Nobody forces you to reply to n00bs. If the n00b is abusing, report it to me and I'll deal with it. QUICK_EDIT
Since this is destined for the crap forum anyways...
Beowulf, there are many internet communities made up entirely of people like that. They are aggressive towards newbies, and just generally rude.
Frankly, the people who practice that philosophy are condescending elitist idiots with an unfortunate inability to empathise.
I pity them.
You need to straighten up and realise that that attitude pushes far more people away than it helps.
No one joins a community that insults and patronises them, and no one would join this community if everyone were like you.
Wise words, buddy. 100% agreed.
Beowulf wrote:
Wrong. I am not aggressive towards newbies. I'm rather helpful to most people, as are most of us. HOWEVER, the stupid n00bs who refuse to try anything on their own, they're the ones who get the anger thrown at them and it's with good reason. Even the most patient people will throw up their hands in frustration and let the douche have it.
I think you misunderstand our methods. It's not always brutal anger.
Your methods still ruin many communities and it is seriously deteriorating PPM as well. It makes whole community look arrogant, elitists and scares a lot of potential modders who could improve a lot the community. As admin, I cannot allow that to happen. If you wanna do it on Freedom Studios, where you rule. Go ahead, it is your forum. But do not do it here. If a person refuses to try anything on their own and read what you say, do not waste your time replying them. Nobody forces you to reply to n00bs. If the n00b is abusing, report it to me and I'll deal with it.
Depends.
I enjoy the smaller boards on 4chan. Small userbase, maybe not even exceeding 100 people, yet arrogant, critical, paranoid and outright rude clogged together around one hobby.
If you create something they like, it's a real accomplishment.
To be honest, when I work on normal pen'n'paper artwork or something I first post it on 4chan than here, because 4chan has much more motivational critisism on artwork than here... QUICK_EDIT
Your methods still ruin many communities and it is seriously deteriorating PPM as well. It makes whole community look arrogant, elitists and scares a lot of potential modders who could improve a lot the community. As admin, I cannot allow that to happen. If you wanna do it on Freedom Studios, where you rule. Go ahead, it is your forum. But do not do it here. If a person refuses to try anything on their own and read what you say, do not waste your time replying them. Nobody forces you to reply to n00bs. If the n00b is abusing, report it to me and I'll deal with it.
What's worse? People who know what they're talking about or idiots who make you look like a weak administration? I'd say the latter is quite a bit more damaging to your rep than having knowledge.
PPM used to be great. Now it's a sloppy mess of n00b protection and crap. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
The real question is which is better, a community that embraces new users, helps them, encourages them, or a community that shuns anyone who isn't one of them, anyone that doesn't live up to some personal code they've invented? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
Also Known As: banshee_revora (Steam) Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Location: Brazil
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:33 am Post subject:
Beowulf wrote:
Banshee wrote:
Your methods still ruin many communities and it is seriously deteriorating PPM as well. It makes whole community look arrogant, elitists and scares a lot of potential modders who could improve a lot the community. As admin, I cannot allow that to happen. If you wanna do it on Freedom Studios, where you rule. Go ahead, it is your forum. But do not do it here. If a person refuses to try anything on their own and read what you say, do not waste your time replying them. Nobody forces you to reply to n00bs. If the n00b is abusing, report it to me and I'll deal with it.
What's worse? People who know what they're talking about or idiots who make you look like a weak administration? I'd say the latter is quite a bit more damaging to your rep than having knowledge.
PPM used to be great. Now it's a sloppy mess of n00b protection and crap.
You are making me look like a weak administrator and I'm almost banning you. QUICK_EDIT
Joined: 16 Feb 2005 Location: North America Posts: You cannot comprehend...
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:40 am Post subject:
DeathRay2K wrote:
The real question is which is better, a community that embraces new users, helps them, encourages them, or a community that shuns anyone who isn't one of them, anyone that doesn't live up to some personal code they've invented?
A little from column A, a little from column B, although its easier to focus on one or the other.
If Chielscape just didn't include that pic, he probably wouldn't have been banned. _________________ Destroy to create. All for the hunt to dominate!
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Location: Teamblackistan Posts: Over 9000
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:49 am Post subject:
I don't think that would have mattered, Cheil's been banned before, and he was hanging on a VERY thin thread.
As for the rest, it really isn't worth making all kinds of fuss about. We're talking with "what-if's" with noobies, but TBH there really aren't that many, and usually they are treated properly anyways.
It's really nothing worth getting this concerned about. Really, these types of conversations do more harm to the community than the noobs in question ever will. _________________ The Fall of Hammerfest - Epic Tiberian chain story
Tiberian Odyssey mapping department. Discord The Team Black Index QUICK_EDIT
Banshee, your aim is noble but about as effective as challenging the hulk to an arm-wrestle.
KGB123 deserves a ban, Chiel deserves an unban. All chielscape does is take offensive humour too far. You never banned gufu... KGB has been consistently been rude, stupid, n00bish, blatantly in contradiction of the rules...
And un-banned. _________________ Yes, work on MV continues. It is not forgotten. QUICK_EDIT
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