Centurion Siege Crawler Returns!

Speeder · Commander **Joined**: 03 Sep 2004 **Location**: Czechia

The mechanical monstrosity that is the Centurion Siege Crawler returns! The last Soviet unit to be revealed was in fact the classic Mental Omega behemoth, which returns in 3.0 with completely new art created by mevitar as a unit unique to the Chinese. You can watch the reveal video right now!

Costing untold amounts of money and with a development period spanning several decades, the Centurion Siege Crawler is without a doubt the ultimate siege engine. The Soviet Units page has been finally updated with the Centurion's profile, including a preview picture the necessary important details. While in previous version the Centurion worked as a one-unit army in many situations, in 3.0 the Centurion has been adjusted to fit the role of a support long-range unit which is a great supplement to the slow but powerful Chinese army.

For more pictures and news, including info on semi-regular Mental Omega 3.0 Beta livestreams starting next week, visit our website.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Looks nice.

But, would have been better as a SHP. (May the VXL vs SHP flame war begin #Tongue

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Not sure why this soviet unit is a regular for chinese though? Are soviets=chinese or allied?
For someone who hasn't played MO yet and only reads these news, it's quite confusing.

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Zero18 · Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject:

Looking good, Speeder. That's some top notch voxel there.

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Graion Dilach · Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject:

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

But, would have been better as a SHP. (May the VXL vs SHP flame war begin #Tongue

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It's too big for an SHP. It's turreted.

Soviets are composed of three subfactions instead of countries in MO. USSR, Latin Confederation and China. Centurion is avaliable only to China.

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Renegade · Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject:

One would think TS's Titan would've set an example of how to best implement such a unit in this engine - no arguments necessary... Rolling Eyes

Anyway, looks great, Speeder + mevitar!

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Graion Dilach wrote:

It's too big for an SHP. It's turreted.

It's not bigger than 160x160 pixel. Enough for this unit to be made as SHP. Turret is no problem too.
As SHP it would have a good shadow. Not only a tiny circle.

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Speeder · Commander **Joined**: 03 Sep 2004 **Location**: Czechia

It would turn in 8 directions, not tilt on slopes or on crushing, be unaffected by tilting weapons and look awkward in general. Not worth it. The detail level on SHP wouldn't be that better, would stand out from the other units and I can live with that shadow.

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Volgin · Commander **Joined**: 07 Mar 2009

Who cares if SHP renders better? This centurion is gorgeous, speeder isn't going to re-render it, and I can't blame the guy. It's not like RA2 will ever look like Crysis or even Generals, no reason to haggle over a voxel art piece.

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Mevitar did the Centurion, I'm not taking any credit for it. #Tongue

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Orac · Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:06 pm Post subject:

I wonder whether the the shadow could be improved with some vpl wizardry?

mevitar · Missile Trooper **Joined**: 31 Dec 2010

Shadows have nothing to do with vpl. That's related to sections.

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

But, would have been better as a SHP.

I would really prefer to make it as an shp, I could even make its lighting fit that of other units. But boss wanted it to tilt on slopes and flip around. #Tongue

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

An extra section using invisible voxel via a custom vpl could help to improve the shadow.

Tilting on such a big unit looks bad imo.

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mevitar · Missile Trooper **Joined**: 31 Dec 2010

Yeah, i know it can be done, but that doesn't change much in this case. Should have written it more clear. My fault. #Tongue

If i was to use that trick here, the legs would have an immobile shadow. And if not, I made all sections animate in such way that makes it impossible for all legs to have a properly drawn shadow (either the front leg would have to be left without a shadow, or both rear legs).

Unless you both refer to something like a bigger round section for the turret's shadow, while ignoring the legs altogether. I don't think the difference would be that big with it, though...

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This argument seems like the Mammoth Armature all over again... Confused

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

But this has a turret which presents most of the body, and SHP turrets are 32 facings by default.
So this unit would even work well in a non-modified engine using 8 facing walkanim and 32 facing turret.

The SHP MMKII works only better in a 32-facing hacked engine.

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Orac · Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject:

LKO is a relic of a bygone age, no need to pay attention.

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Just leave the centurion, its fine for christ's sakes.

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Holy_Master · Commander **Joined**: 21 Jul 2004 **Location**: Thailand

as voxel it's very amazing, too bad his shadow doesn't look good since voxel cant cast shadow for moving part... maybe you should try to give him shp legs and keep turret as voxel?

Dutchygamer · Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject:

I approve of this walker Smile

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Agree.

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Holy_Master wrote:

as voxel it's very amazing, too bad his shadow doesn't look good since voxel cant cast shadow for moving part... maybe you should try to give him shp legs and keep turret as voxel?

Can't do that, only barrel as voxel is supported if you use shp body, guess could be faked using inviso shp turret on body and barrel centered like as if turret and ensuring fireangle setting so it won't tilt like barrel.

Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

^^Wouldn't work anyway as they want to keep the ridiculous tilting on slopes and rocker=yes.

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Atomic_Noodles · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Oct 2011

Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:

^^Wouldn't work anyway as they want to keep the ridiculous tilting on slopes and rocker=yes.

Theres also a reason MO needs Voxel Units. For Yunru's Deploy Weapons. You won't get those trippy flipping effects on a SHP unit.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Yunru? What/Who is that?
You mean SimpleDeployer? Is it bugged?
In TS do SHP deployer units work by far better as vxl, as the buildup anim and the building are by default SHPs, so an SHP unit will make the transition perfectly seamless.
On VXL units you always see a slight difference when it changes into the SHP building as it's super hard to render an SHP and make it look like an ingame VXL.

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Atomic_Noodles · Defense Minister **Joined**: 05 Oct 2011

My bad I meant Libra (One of Epsilon's New Hero Units)

Libra's Deploy Weapon flips Vehicles into the Air killing them.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Wouldn't be illogical if one super heavy unit isn't affected by such a weapon.
What happens to SHP vehicles like terrordrones or dolpins? Do they only raise in air and fall down again?

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Speeder · Commander **Joined**: 03 Sep 2004 **Location**: Czechia

Animals are unaffected. They're not made of metal. Terror Drones explode.

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Lin Kuei Ominae · Seth **Joined**: 16 Aug 2006 **Location**: Germany

Wouldn't be illogical either if the super big Centurion just explodes. The different strong forces along it's big body would rather rip it apart than lift it up.

As an SHP you could also use the model to render a special explosion animation, which would give a nice additional detail.

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Orac · Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:10 am Post subject:

This is a totally pointless discussion.

MO isn't going to change, and LKO isn't going to get a clue.

It'd be nice if this same SHP vs Voxel argument could be put to bed, at least for a little while.

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Holy_Master · Commander **Joined**: 21 Jul 2004 **Location**: Thailand

ApolloTD wrote:

Holy_Master wrote:

as voxel it's very amazing, too bad his shadow doesn't look good since voxel cant cast shadow for moving part... maybe you should try to give him shp legs and keep turret as voxel?

Can't do that, only barrel as voxel is supported if you use shp body, guess could be faked using inviso shp turret on body and barrel centered like as if turret and ensuring fireangle setting so it won't tilt like barrel.

i'm not sure about this but it seem like i use to do this long time ago since i'm Voxeler.

PsionicPsychic · Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:22 am Post subject:

The Centurion had a nice makeover! It now looks a real Red Menace!

NimoStar · Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject:

I think a voxel is better for this unit. Actually .shp would be better for smaller units, not bigger (as Terror Drone was in RA2)

Tilting and such gives a greater sense of scale and weight. Also voxel can be used for debris when exploding.

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